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2015 Russian Line T+ Caramel Female

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This girl has the best of both worlds. Great looks with a powerful lineage to back it up. And health wise you couldn't ask for a better specimen. Great muscle tone with an easy temperament. She's been fed a conservative diet to ensure maximum health, but does not refuse any meals. Genotypically she carries the Russian line T+ Caramel genes which behave in the same fashion as the Boawoman Caramel trait (bred to a sharp produces paradigms). I've included indoor and outdoor pics to show different lighting, but a complete description of her genes, extra photos, and pics of her lineage can be found on my Facebook page at:

https://m.facebook.com/PreMeditatedMorphs/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1603326729967082&mt_nav=1

She is $565 shipped and I accept PayPal, Visa/MC, or USPS money orders.

I can be reached here on Facebook or at [email protected]. Thank you and feel free to ask any questions.

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Are a lot of the parents and grandparents pictures in FB posting het t+ Russian line? None of them show any color like the other T+ lines. I have owned or own BWC, Prodigy, VPI and CA T+s. All had that yellow glow or a creamy color with other color accents.

She look like a jungle.

I am interested pls PM me ASAP. I would like to discuss things

Or call/text 209-855-1229

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She is a Jungle, but I forgot to list that. It was a pretty important detail to leave out, but in my defense I haven't posted an ad in about 5 years. :eek:

The way I understand it, and this is from gray's explanation, is that this line works the same as the Boawoman caramel gene does. It's referred to by several different T+ albino names, but it basically boils down to genotypical carrying the BWC traits. These are compatible with the Sharp gene according to gray's website, "in 2008, Peter Rice of England bred a Russian line T+ to a Sharp strain and produced a third phenotype which looks like the Paradigm boa and suggests that the Russian line T+ behaves similarly to the Caramel Hypo."

The creamy color and accents I'm not sure of as this is the first T+ I have owned, but if I'm guessing I would say it has to do with these first being bred oversees and thus having a different look.

Here is her link from gray's website: http://allboas.com/listing.php?id=988.

Here are some more recent pics I took of her that may help some:

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I'd be happy to answer any and all questions you may have, but in the interest of protecting both you and I down the road, I prefer to handle everything through email or PM so that we have everything in writing ([email protected]). I hope that works for you and please don't hesitate to ask anymore questions.


Thanks,

Jason
 
Ok in that link he said mom was a jungle het bwc and dad was a jungle het russian line t +. States the 2 are compatible. So basically makes this a DH bwc/russian line T or makes the Russian line T actually the bwc gene so that makes her a bwc.

She is a very nice jungle for sure

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The way I understood it was that the Russian Line and BWC are the same thing. They're both compatible with the sharp strain of albino and when crossed with sharp they produce animals that look like the paradigms. I don't want to give out any mis-information though, so the best thing to do would be to drop [email protected] an email for clarification. He's very approachable and willing to help and knows way more about this line than I do.

Hope that helps.
 
More info:

I emailed Gray asking for some clarification on the genes and how to explain it. Here's his response...

"Here are links to some good info & tons of pics about the Blonde T+ line out of Russia. They just need to understand that I proved it compatible with the Boawoman Caramel so I just consider them genetically the same now. The different names can be confusing though.

http://allboas.com/listing.php?id=534

http://allboas.com/viewAlbum.php?album_id=760"


Hope this clears things up a little.

Any other questions feel free to ask.
 
Blonde X Sharp

Blonde t+ X Sharp Albino does not make Paradigms as I did the breeding 5 or 6 years ago and got all double hets. Gray bred the Jungle het Blonde to the Jungle het BWC and some animals in the litter came out looking kind like paradigms but definitely a visual Double Het. Russian Line T+ and BWC are not the same but are compatible in a way the sharps and BWC are. Kinda confusing. I own an animal from this litter also.
 
Yes, thanks for the info Ruben. So can you tell me what the Sharp Albino x Blonde T+ does produce visually? The Paradigms are visual Double Hets. so does the Double Het Blonde/Sharp produce a visual double het as well?

I guess the confusion for me is coning from this statement pulled directly from Gray's website...

"Additionally in 2008, Peter Rice of England bred a Russian line T+ to a Sharp strain and produced a third phenotype which looks like the Paradigm boa and suggests that the Russian line T+ behaves similarly to the Caramel Hypo".

I'd appreciate any additional info you can offer as I bought some VERY expensive animals for this project based on the info I was given that it was basically the same as a BWC.
 
Peter Rice in the UK did get a few unique boas from his Sharp X Blonde T+ he calls mistics. There were other claims of making similar animals from the same breedings but I personally never saw proof. My thought was there was some random gene in the Blondes Peter has but just my opinion. There's more info if you google it but it does get really confusing.
 
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Peter Rice in the UK did get a few unique boas from his Sharp X Blonde T+ he calls mistics. There were other claims of making similar animals from the same breedings but I personally never saw proof. My thought was there was some random gene in the Blondes Peter has but just my opinion. There's more info if you google it but it does get really confusing.
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My litter produced non visual DH Sharp X Blondes. I have yet to breed those back to each other but Kevin Blumenthal did. He has his results on his site. Peter only got 1-3 mistics in the breedings he did. Not a full litter making that even more confusing! LoL Gray willingly admits no interest in the Sharp strain and I think this is the reason what he wrote was confusing and unintentionally slightly misleading.
 
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Thanks again for the info Ruben. Can I ask where you got your Blonde T+ from? Was it from Gray's line? If so, then I'm really confused or have been mislead. Gray told me that he proved his Russian Blonde T+ compatible with the BWC so he just considers them genetically the same now (and those were his words verbatim).
 
I checked Kevin's site and saw the info on his litter. There were only four boas produced in that one which is a rather small sampling to go off of, so if you could tell me how many you produced in your litter that would give me a better idea of what I'm up against. Thanks Ruben.
 
I made the parents of Kevin's litter. Thought he had 2 litters? Anyways, my litter from blonde X sharp had 25 babies. All normal DH. My blonde came from het parents and were produced by Marc Norrie,a friend of Peters. Not sure where those het parents originated. Peter and Gray got their visual blondes from the same person. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens when you add Sharp into grays blonde and het blonde animals. I was going to breed a paradigm to one of my DH females this year to have paradigms and the visual DH blonde/BWC in the same litter and see what they look like at birth side to side. Or a sharp Sunglow jungle. We'll have to see.
 
That helps a lot Ruben. If you would, please keep me/us updated on your results. She's still got a long ways to go before she breeds, so any info I can get from your litters would still give me plenty of time to change my plans.
 
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