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A deal gone wrong with Mike Plank at, B.G.R.

One more thing eve though Ed is happy that someone is trying to take me for 10k I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone including Ed. This is about a guy not sticking to his agreement. My customers know what I say you can take to the bank. That was so inapproriate and not expected froma n industry leader. This is business and you can't conduct yoyurself in that manner or guess what happens. It is pretty obvious here other than Ed's oppinon....;) I am begining to like you Ed why don't you hang out for a while...:)

Joe at MKR
 
JoeCaponeIII said:
Last comment on snakes. Ed go buy from other people and pay too much and make us all laugh...:) Then we all compare prices and I bet mine are best. those are the price I want to have. Now that is Carma. Now I really am done with you and your negativity. Loser
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I love how you talk to people, You Leetle fat Fuck!
 
Daniel it is in excusable a year no contact or phon calls. Animals never show and 10 large up front from a supposebly big producer? I want it back plus one for my year wait without my money and I am done with this farce of a deal. Everyone knows who buys from me which is allot of people I am straight as an arrow and say it the way it is. That is why they buy from us period and great prices of course...:) And 500 an unsexed amaye hatchling is the going rate. It isn't a great deal or anything by any stretch at that volume. It is just the going rate at that many of of them. Ask Ed he will want you to pay more. What do you think Ed I should of paid 700 a piece 200 more than they are worth...:) That is how ridiculous your negativity is..:) Ed that is only...:)

Joe at MKR
 
...but did you write him a letter Joe? It is hard to repond to phone call when you have no phone. I was just saying that maybe he has not had the ability to get in touch with you and ship out the animals yet. It is not right for people to take money then not supply the animals. Just wondering Joe, how many of the animals that made you that $750,000 in 15 weeks have you shipped? I would definatly be worried if I paid for an animal from someone that call themselves an industry leader and have not received it yet.
 
Not baiting me and this about a person who is not sticking to a deal and that was so vulgur. You are a real prize and you sell great 50% het stuff really big jas balls. Now I am out. You support thieves with high price your aren't too far off you just deliver....:) Later every body adn thanks for akll the business and remeber lucys 6k females super mojave femaels 5k just for Ed and Jas balls in big volume peopel jsut for everybody to enjoy and not get hurt. Buy all and thank for the people that understand about trying to be taken for 10k and the people that are glad need thier head examined. Really please. Keep jasballs your getting close in about 15 lives you will catch us if we stop with your additude. I am not done and jasballs buy some homozygous animals 100% hets sell better. But what do you know. To even allow that vulgarity on this site is ridulous. really. But my message was made and Mike knows the deal thanks for that. I actually lost weight to thanjks for noticing and you deffinitly watched the show jasballs if you know what I look like. Got you buddy.

Joeat MKR
 
Last before I leave Derek talked to him 1.5 months ago and I guess I was supposed to get my money back but that was news to me now and now that is all I want plus 1000. thanks

Joe at MKR
 
JoeCaponeIII said:
Not baiting me and this about a person who is not sticking to a deal and that was so vulgur. You are a real prize and you sell great 50% het stuff really big jas balls. Now I am out. You support thieves with high price your aren't too far off you just deliver....:) Later every body adn thanks for akll the business and remeber lucys 6k females super mojave femaels 5k just for Ed and Jas balls in big volume peopel jsut for everybody to enjoy and not get hurt. Buy all and thank for the people that understand about trying to be taken for 10k and the people that are glad need thier head examined. Really please. Keep jasballs your getting close in about 15 lives you will catch us if we stop with your additude. I am not done and jasballs buy some homozygous animals 100% hets sell better. But what do you know. To even allow that vulgarity on this site is ridulous. really. But my message was made and Mike knows the deal thanks for that. I actually lost weight to thanjks for noticing and you deffinitly watched the show jasballs if you know what I look like. Got you buddy.

Joeat MKR
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Nice ad Joe! LOSER!!
 
As much as I hate to see anyone get screwed, I think Ed was right on with that Karma comment.....I haven't seen someone so full of themself like Mr. Capone since I watched Scarface the last time. For carrying so much weight and being the biggest BP producer in the world, how come I've never even heard of you? lol
 
Jasballs just so you know Ralph and I laugh at the way you are so negative and carry on like you are some big breeder. Put your collectionup or shut up. How do you like tht. Don't think this guy is anything people he is not. Ask other breeders. Look how he carrys on and what he sells. You want to buy an animal at a great price everyone knows who to call ME...:) How do you like the way I just talked to you Jasballs. It is the truth and everyone knows it and now you are exposed for what you are which isn't much. How do you like that buddy I bet you I hatched more today then you have in your collection. You talk pretty big and have big mouth which other breeders agree about. Now that i said that to Jasballs I am out. Every one knows who Ralph is...:)

Joe at MKR
 
LATER ALL and if you didn't buy from me. You paid too mmuch and if you want to listen to these idiots defend high prices. It is ridiculous. Pay more if you want to. 750k worth of people in 15 weeks bought from us becaaue of the best service and prices period. Needs to be higher. Don't you have a huge cardealer who gives great deals in your town and is the place to buy. Well that is MKR....:) Like it or not Later all

Joe at MKR
 
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Jasballs just so you know Ralph and I laugh at the way you are so negative and carry on like you are some big breeder. Put your collectionup or shut up. How do you like tht. Don't think this guy is anything people he is not. Ask other breeders. Look how he carrys on and what he sells. You want to buy an animal at a great price everyone knows who to call ME...:) How do you like the way I just talked to you Jasballs. It is the truth and everyone knows it and now you are exposed for what you are which isn't much. How do you like that buddy I bet you I hatched more today then you have in your collection. You talk pretty big and have big mouth which other breeders agree about. Now that i said that to Jasballs I am out. Every one knows who Ralph is...:)

Joe at MKR
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I must be someone, If you and Ralph are talking about me Heh?
 
Mike needs to step up and explain what is going on here, holding another man's money and stopping all communication without delivering any animals is wrong, no matter who the victim is. We can all speculate as to what is going on, and we may or may not be correct...but it doesn't make it right.

That said, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy when karma turns around and bites someone in the backside. :)
 
Seems like you are well liked here Joey! LMAO!! Hope Mike does right by you though.. Nothing worse then a Theiving Liar!!
 
Back again real quick for jasballs. Yeah they do want me here and want me to spend big money here on advertising. I have my own tv show and forums and classifieds now. You've accomplished alot in your ball career. Do everyone a favor and if you don't have anything nice to say shut up. You might sell something. Imagine that. You could pop your cherry and finally sell something. I bet you never sold a snake. You just show them. instead of a sales pitch do you not say abnything and just hold the 50% poss hets in different postions...:) On my lot I use to fire salesman like you. We would say they had broom and sweeped the customer off the lot. This is great becasue every big breeder will read this and laugh becasue big mouth jasballs has this coming now from the largest ball pythn morph breeder in the world. Way to go jasballs and the guy on web tv and who knows later..:) Way to go Jasballs your a real winner isn't he people. Your the beklle of the ball. What a joke you are..:) Now I am really gone and to the owners it is people like jasballs that stop you from getting huge advertisng dollars from me. I am serious here too..:) How do you like that jasballs. that will help you out here...:)

Joe at MKR
 
wow joe you are really out of it. the way you have been talking down on everyone like you are god almighty! Its a wonder that you dont get any respect, everyone is a loser except you. let me tell you something joe. all your money does not mean squat, and to talk down to and disrespect a couple of little breeders because they dont have the resources that you have, brother you have a few things to learn about in life. like I said its not always about money. its about how you treat people and how you live your life.

In all your incoherant babble you forgot to tell us all how you are bringing it back to the people.

You have really opened up alot of eyes tonite. :shrug01:

Once again, KARMA.
 
Ed you and Jasballs are the ones with problems. Iam the nicest guy in the world. jasballs called me fat ##### and you are happy that someone is trying to take me for 10k you are out of your mind. I don't need to learn anything from you that is for sure. You two have aproblemand are negative with big chips on your shoulders. It is Ed and Jasballs that are jokers on here. Everyone knows it too. So go ahead wish hateful stuff on me while I am selling 50k a week in snakes taking care of people and giving great deals and fun experiences. No negitivity. Something you don't know about. If you don't lose negativity you won't sell anything. It is a fact. So here si to the 2 village idiots Ed and Jasballs. I bet everyone here agrees. Your reason why they aren't big dollars too. Just you two. Imagine that. thiusands in the way. Just you two. Wonder what the owners are thinking. Keep running your mouths. You look like idiots while I am giving great deals and making bank. People want to buy from a sucessfull guy not people like you 2 that is for sure. Look at my track record. I sell more ball morphs than anyone in the world and it isn't becasue I am a jerk or mistreat people. I only do that to people that do that to me first. Like you Ed and Jas balls. Step up boys..:) The onl complaint is that I sell unrare snakes cheap. Find a customer I sold to complain about the snake or the experience. You can't.. Becasue we are the best at what we do. Number 1. Tht is why we sell so many snakes. Not because of your negativity. People want great deals and they get them. Go some place and pay too much and let us all laugh at you..:) Good bye this was about Mike Plank and still is. I WANT MY 11K MIKE!!! Try me

Joe at MKR
 
Hey Joe,

I am sorry someone screwed you for 11,000. I would not even wish that on you! (i am serious) No one deserves that!!!

But...

I do believe in Karma and i do believe you screwed your last year customers out of a lot more! What about all those $5000 Mojaves you sold last year? Did you think about them before you posted your "bringing it back to the people" price of this year? Or how about your 05 customers on Lessers? How do you think they feel... Or that guy that mortgaged his house to start his collection??? Or borrowed money from his parents??? I could go on forever. You did not hurt me when you did what you did... but you did hurt my customers who i care about! And i feel it was very wrong what you did, just because your loaded and feel that they are worth less, others might not agree! You aren't doing anything for your customers or "the people" all you are doing is scaring people out of a great industry! Did you ever think for a second people might no longer get involed (in balls) when they are scared, that some jerk with money could kill the project they have saved up for years for? You are not bringing it to the people you are making them run for the hills!

We are all in this because we love it and it does pay very well. But most of us are not rich and do have to work our way up through the projects! And that means we need stable pricing so we can sell our bumblebees and then buy the Lavenders etc! With out your and my customers selling what they have... WE NO LONGER HAVE A JOB!!! And i love my job it not just some car lot to me (yeah i watched you web TV episode and it made me sick!) It seems you care nothing for your customers or the hobby, just how much cash you can bring in! If you haven't watched his video yet you might want to... Wes talks about snakes and breeding and then Joe will always jump in an ad what huge deal he just did or how much money they are making or how he got his name flipper... its pretty terrible!

I understand business my father owned a huge wholesale company for 30 yrs and i started my first at 16. The first thing my father told me is NEVER SCREW YOUR customers!!!! Not just the ones from this year Joe, I'm talking about your 2004 and 2005 customers too. Dont they mean anything? They trusted you and you killed their projects!

I really do hope you get your money back and maybe think about you actions and how they might affect the "little guy". In my opinion you could be a great asset to the ball world, you just chose the other path. Just because you have the power to destroy other big breeders (or at least think you do) doesn't mean you should... You watched Spider man the movie right? Maybe you should watch the first 15 min or so again...

Hope you see how your actions can hurt people...
Jon
 
joe, it was wrong what mike plank is doing to you, but we have only heard your side of the story.

And why do you keep bringing up these large amounts of money.that only makes you look like the greedy little obnoxious man that you are.

And every time you respond to someone its a long sales pitch?

And now im a village idiot, cool. KARMA joe :rofl:
 
First off, Mike had better step up and take care of this pronto!

I have to add though, that like Joe and others say, this is an industry! Prices crash, and sometimes even appreciate (hypos for instance). Just because we're dealing with a 'pet' species, and we buy these animals from people and not Walmart, doesn't mean the economic side is different from any other business!

And for the people who mortgaged their houses, and borrowed money, etc etc... that was a RISK they took. And if it was really to start a "collection" then that person did it for the love of the animal, not to make a quick buck. There is no such thing as free money, and those people learned it the hard way. Whether it's an animal or a business, it is survival of the fittest. And no matter what a breeder does with his/her prices, everyone else can just suck it up, unless you want to introduce a price regulation board on hobbyists and industrial breeders like MKR alike. I'm not sure if Corey Woods has posted here, but on reptilescanada.com you can check out his hard numbers on the Lesser market in Canada. Just because the prices drop from one year to the next, and certainly the Mojo drop was pretty drastic, you still have an investment in your hands. It might take you a little longer to pay back that investment... but P. regius can be bred for 20-30 years, more than long enough to make back your money. And really, if you're all about the money, you're probably in the wrong business to start with!

I don't feel sorry for the disillusioned start-ups to who aren't rolling in the cash like they envisaged. It wasn't too long ago where I'm from that if you didn't take care of the basics up front before you embarked on all your get-rich-quick schemes you wouldn't just have creditors knocking on your door, you'd have a cold hard winter to try and get through.
 
I hate seeing people get ripped off I hope you get your money back, but this kinda turned into a big commercial about how your the biggest and best in the biz. No one really wants to hear that part so people are going to attack you over the internet.

Good Luck getting your cash back ease up on the infomercial and other people might try and help you get your $$$ back.
 
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