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A deal gone wrong with Mike Plank at, B.G.R.

Tim Rash said:
ease up on the infomercial and other people might try and help you get your $$$ back.
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How do you propose that? Mob violence? Hippy love-in? Joe has already stated that legal documents are being prepared, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but amongst the many things that Joe has said is that he made a deal with Mike Plank for some geckos, and that even though Mr. Plank had the reputation as a industry leader, that this particular transaction had gone horribly wrong, and until Mr. Plank explains himself and makes his side of the story clear, he is not to be trusted.

I don't think Joe needs help from us, as is the case with many BOI posts, the deal is done (or unfinished) and there is nothing much that can be done other than avoid the scammer.
 
Joe,
Good luck with getting your money back from this thief.It's funny, its another TOP SHELF EXOTICS deal but everyone is taking his side on this . At least this way we know who not to do business with , any one who can say some one deserves to get taken for $10k is not a guy who I want to deal with. Good luck with it. Keep in touch.

Josh @ J&J REPTILES :reddevil:
 
Dread said:
First off, Mike had better step up and take care of this pronto!

I have to add though, that like Joe and others say, this is an industry! Prices crash, and sometimes even appreciate (hypos for instance). Just because we're dealing with a 'pet' species, and we buy these animals from people and not Walmart, doesn't mean the economic side is different from any other business!

And for the people who mortgaged their houses, and borrowed money, etc etc... that was a RISK they took. And if it was really to start a "collection" then that person did it for the love of the animal, not to make a quick buck. There is no such thing as free money, and those people learned it the hard way. Whether it's an animal or a business, it is survival of the fittest. And no matter what a breeder does with his/her prices, everyone else can just suck it up, unless you want to introduce a price regulation board on hobbyists and industrial breeders like MKR alike. I'm not sure if Corey Woods has posted here, but on reptilescanada.com you can check out his hard numbers on the Lesser market in Canada. Just because the prices drop from one year to the next, and certainly the Mojo drop was pretty drastic, you still have an investment in your hands. It might take you a little longer to pay back that investment... but P. regius can be bred for 20-30 years, more than long enough to make back your money. And really, if you're all about the money, you're probably in the wrong business to start with!

I don't feel sorry for the disillusioned start-ups to who aren't rolling in the cash like they envisaged. It wasn't too long ago where I'm from that if you didn't take care of the basics up front before you embarked on all your get-rich-quick schemes you wouldn't just have creditors knocking on your door, you'd have a cold hard winter to try and get through.
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Now, This guy I would like to commend. He has a very level head and realizes that the snakes are not all gold that you are dealing with here. This is a hobby to begin with and a business for some later. I cannot believe that you people do not understand that you cannot continue to sell overpriced mass produced snakes to as limited amount of people and this remain a profitable business for long. If the prices fall into the realm of the average persons pocket book then it becomes a huge market with endless amounts of animals sold as Joe has proven already. If people are so dumb as to refinance their homes to try and get rich off of breeding animals then that was something that they would have done in several other markets that they would have lost bigger in!! But, this is not what this is about!! It has just been made into this by the two idiots Ed and John. I don't know who you guys are but you sound like a bunch of whiny babies that have little to no intelligence about genetics and for that I applaud you for loosing so much money in co-dom snakes (otherwise you wouldnt be on here crying like babies and saying things that make you look very unprofessional) I wouldnt buy anything from anyone that I saw post that they were gaad that someone got ripped off for any amount of money. Now, All I ask is that this be refocused on what the real issue here is. That issue is that Mike Plank took Joe Capone's $10,000 in cash and left him hanging.
THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE AT HAND AND I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYTIME SOMETHING IS BROUGHT TO THIS PLACE IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE CRAP THAT DOESNT PERTAIN TO THE ISSUE AT HAND!
Thoroughly disgusted,
Clark Tucker
www.clarksgeckos.com
 
Hello

I have emailed Mr. Plank to let him know about this disscussion, hopefully he will come and explain his story.
 
Ed Clark said:
Joe, i find it very hard to believe that your looking for sympathy and some kind of help here. are you next going to try to destroy the gecko world?
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When I saw who started this thread, I just knew someone would say something like this. It's quite juvenile to turn this thread into an attack towards him simply because you didn't like his BP prices this year. The BP market is on a steady decline all on its own, with or without his help. In another 10 years, your high dollar morphs will be no more than another color option when purchasing a ball at the pet store, just like corns. These animals are being in-bred to death simply so someone can make big bucks off of the offspring, yet still whine that they're only worth half of what they paid for the sire. The fact that any of you got into the BP game hoping to get rich and have long term profits makes me giggle. You remind me of those people that went nuts over the beanie babies several years back. All they ended up with is boxes of stuffed animals that they can't even sell at yard sales.

To Joe, I'm sorry that you got scammed. I hope you get your money back, as NO ONE deserves to be ripped off. I'm also sorry that you posting your bad business deal turned into a personal attack towards yourself. I just find the whole situation ironic, as just last week people were fussing about the missuse of this forum. Guess it goes to show even the paid members are guilty :NoNo:
 
This is to expose Ed and Jasbals. People they are middle men that buy most of thier product from Ian and are making big money on you. They don't prooduce most thier animals and buy them from Ian G. Then try to double thier money. With me around they can't. Yeah you 2 are ruined now. Go buy from these guys and pay a handling fee becasue that is what you are doing. People only deal with the producers of the animals period. You 2 ruined now. How do youlike that. NMothing but scumbag middlemen that I am getting of rid in this market and giving the consumer the savings. So they benfit for me to get ridof the middle men. You guys are already done if you don't produce your animals. That is Ed's and Jasballs problem. Iam squeezing thier providers because they can't make a living now becasue I am giving you great deals on unrare snakes. Let's all get behind Ed, Jasballs and Now Ian. Thais right the middleman is coming down people and the consumers are getting the savings. I am hero adn you are a scumbag makingm oney off the public and can't now becasue of me. Go get a job both of you and shame on you for trying to screw the public. That is the tryth. Now They are expsoed andfinished in one btreat. Good luck boys. Ian is next you can tell him I said so. That is right calling him out people and he won't come. All a bunch of ridiculous jokers that can't make an honest living.

Joe at MKR
 
Now I am going record. Because of Ed and Jasballs I am loading up my barrels and am going to poing them at Ian I will dump 150 snakes at once on him and ruin him. That is right I an it is going to happen so start looking over yoyur shoulder and your boys including Trey now. Make sure he reads this and when it happens he has Ed and Jasballs to thank. Yeah isn't that great. they are motuivating me to ge get rid of the middle man for the consumer to save the money only. Now it is out. THis is big business and you two are shitstains in for what you are trying to do to the public along with Ian too.

Joe at MKR
 
One more thing too expose thier little ring. Iamnbuys most of his snakes then he resells them. What he doesn't know I am going to offer all his suppliers and pay more. That is right. You are done friend. Then sell it on my show in payment plans and give you the savings. So there is many levels of people making money when they deal with Ian and these scumbags. They won't with me. Iam volume mark it up very little and roll it. These people are making a living off of you and they don't even breed the animals. THe truth but need to be told. Good lucvk guys. Why do you people get behind them and let them screw you? That is what is going on here. Ian god luck you are going to need it friend.

Joe at MKR
 
Thanks guys I am doing a big sgment on middle men and how they make money on peopple in the snake business. that is great. Ian can I interview you since you are the biggest scumbag of them all? Yeah that is right. Everyone has to respect the balss here. I am doing this so you can save money and to stop these thieves. It has to happen in order for us to take this mainstream. The scumbags got to go..:) I know I deal with the puiblic in big volume. Who would buy big volume from these jokersw and everyone knows they are getting screwed? How do you boys like it now. Ask Ian. See what he says. Your all done boys for the people and they will save all the money. I am a public servant getting rid of the unnecessary scumbag leaches in this business that shouldn't be making money period. You have to produce. Take it from the largest ball morph producer in the world. There is no easy way. that is what we do. Keep screwing the public Ian and see how far that gets you.

Joe at MKR
 
Mike,
I am glad you are showing everyone your true collors here. No calls people. I want my 11k and will get it and people will be hurt becasue of your stupidity and that is on you. Niot to mention the 10k and everything else here that I am trying no to say. All I need is a call from Derek saying I am getting my 11k and I will call all this off. What do you people think. Great business guy huh? THIS IS THE STUFF THAT GIVES THIS INDUSTRY A BAD NAME!!!!

Joe at MKR
 
Clark tucker, I find it very funny that you would be pointing your finger at me and calling me an idiot. It was you that was caught changing the ingredients of that gecko food with out telling your customers. and the crested lady, sarah milroy had to bring you to the BOI because you were robbing her for $348.60, glass houses mr.tucker.

joe capone, you are a very greedy obnoxious little man thats so full of your self, all you talk about is your low prices and great deals.(wal-mart mentality)go with that see how far that gets you. I wonder what really happened with that chevy dealership that you had. I bet theres a good story there?

What jasballs said to you, I think it was you are a fat little F__K. yea I'll go with that. :yesnod:
 
I am telling mommy about MKR and the market crash.
Who killed the spider market? Was that MKR's fault? I paid over 13k in 04. Did I slam the person who sold it to me nope. He had nothing to do with it. Nor the pied, albino market. Co doms and doms are like that. Look at the pins.......he never sold any at any time. Who's Karma is that?
Now as far as the original issue that Joe posted. He should have received the money or the animals by now.I know anyone who pays for a reptile expects them to be delivered. So Joe should have the money now or the reptiles he ordered..
Like dear old Ralphie said to me several time folks get jealous of successful breeders! And Wes & Joe are that for sure.
Joe is not interested in sympathy he is looking for 1. justice; 2. others to be aware! I love to be in Wes's and Joe's shoes.......so would many others in this thread! I purchased several animal at great prices and each order went real smooooooth!
Jasballs, could you tell the folks about your axanthic and how you asked me to have Joe call you? LOL
I also might add his prices does squeeze all the resellers.
Rick
 
Your ruined and exposed buddy. Who wnts to pay you for nothing. Go right to the source people. Don't let these scumbags make money on you...:) The truth hurts. I am going tio say it again. Greedy? Who doesn't want to get a real job to support themselves or give up income that is screwing the public. I will tell you. People like Ed. Jasballs is mr.50% het man that his pitch is different hand positions becasue he couldn't close a spring loaded dooor let alone a deal. You are clueless. The public is watching disembpwel yourself. Yeah let's all buy from Ed and pay him unecessary money that we wroked real hard for..:) How do you like that Ed? That is the truth people. It isn't Ed. It is Ian in my sights. Ed is an insignificant shitstain as everyone can see. Happy that someone gets screwed. Yeah that is who I want to buy from. You are now ruined Ed good luck...:)

Joe Capone
 
One more thing jerk,
Clark Tucker is a great person who wouldn't hurt a fly and I will protect him. Do you get it Ed. You are already ruined you want to keep going?. Guess what people he has 200k in raree stuff. Shingle back skinks everything and he is my partner. So Ed when you say something bad about Clark you will be dealing with me and I am dealing with you swiftly as you can see. He and I are going to be huge in rare Australian Geckos and stuff. So get jealous over that and hate Clark now becasue believeme he will be an industry leader becasue I am his investor and he has my full support. Strophrurus all of them. Diplodactolus Nephrurus and on and on and on. How do you like that Ed? Doesn't matter becasue noone is going topay you unecessary money anymore. I tell you waht any snake that Ed tries to sell you I personally crush the deal jsut for Ed...:) So let's see you sell a snake now. Taht is what is all about Ed...:)

Joe at MKR
 
Can you people show a little respect and take all your comments that are not related to Joe and his issue with Mike to another thread? Even if you dont like Joe, at least show some respect for the BOI and how it is supposed to work.

I know if any of you were being ripped off for 10k that you would not like your thread getting hijacked. There are threads already pertaining to peoples beef with MKR, so please keep them there. Not only does Joe have the right to bring his case here without it getting side tracked, but you are not doing the public any favors either. If Mike Plank is a thief and someone to be avoided the public would never learn about because there is too much off topic crap burying whatever info may come forward.
 
joe wow im exposed. its no big secret that I buy baby balls from Ian when my inventory runs low or he has something that I want and I dont have. I tell my customers that it was not produced by me when I sell something other than mine. ian has very high quality ball pythons, I wish I could say the same about your production. your clowns are about the nastiest clowns that I have ever seen. and any price you charge is way to much.

And now you claim that you are going to put me and alot of other breeders out of business. sounds like a lot of hot air to me joe.

There are always going to be people that want low prices, thats ok. but how are they gonna feel about that $800.00 mojave that they bought this year when you decide next year you are going to sell mojaves for $200.00 and crap all over their breeding plans.

KARMA joe, looks like your getting yours.
 
Sure you do Ed. He and Ian is screwing everybody. Come Ian and let's talk about it. Ed is insignificant. I am calling you out but I bet you will be a wimp like everyone else with big mouths in this industry. I lead by example not by weakness like you. You make me sick how you want to be a parasite on the buying public and Ian G is the ring leader. It will come crashing down you can count on it Ian at least for you..:)

Joe at MKR
 
agree

shrap said:
Can you people show a little respect and take all your comments that are not related to Joe and his issue with Mike to another thread? Even if you dont like Joe, at least show some respect for the BOI and how it is supposed to work.

I know if any of you were being ripped off for 10k that you would not like your thread getting hijacked. There are threads already pertaining to peoples beef with MKR, so please keep them there. Not only does Joe have the right to bring his case here without it getting side tracked, but you are not doing the public any favors either. If Mike Plank is a thief and someone to be avoided the public would never learn about because there is too much off topic crap burying whatever info may come forward.
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I agree with you on this one.
If it doesnt change It should be locked...!!!!!
 
Jseez,
1600 views and his friends and customers are freaking out calling me and nervous. But no Mike? Something better happen quick with my 11k MIKE!!!

Joe at MKR
 
So ED Is my stripe or clown ugly? Bad clown pic is my fault!
Could you show us your clown? Or ones you produced.
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