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    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

About the Wes Pollock email......

Chris@TSE said:
Is this necessary when someone simply stating an opinion? :shrug01:

Talk about rude, this is exactly the type of attitude I had pointed out previously, its not needed Rich. There is a difference between disagreeing with someones opinion and crapping all over them....

JMHO

Oh gee, did I solicit opinions in this thread? I thought for certain I was providing an explanation of something that might not have been clear concerning an email that someone was trying to use to slap me around with.

Silly me...... So someone thinks they know better then I how my time should be spent.... Gee Chris, didn't you READ Marcia's post? How was that less "crapping" on me, then my "crapping" on her in return?

Marcia's "dig" about spending my time is uncalled for. I felt it necessary to explain that email Wes is sending around. I felt my time worthwhile to spend doing it. My call to make, and I made it. When I made light of the dig by Marcia, rather then post an irate sounding post, Chris then jumps in with another "dig" about that. Again, that opinion was not needed and is nothing more then an attempt to further inflame this situation. Nice try, but game time is over with. Well for YOU anyway. :eatsmiley

So, short and sweet (it's getting late). The next person to take a "dig" at me, and I'm feeling REAL sensitive about it right now, gets warning points for obvious trolling. That's a ten pointer and an immediate fine and suspension. You are not acting in a manner consistent with the betterment of this site, so I do believe you need to be moving on along. If you learn the lesson before reaching the 100 point limit, then that is fine, but I'm not too concerned whether you do or not. That's my take on it from here on out. No debate, no discussion about it, no benefit of the doubt from me. The trigger finger twitches.

So I suggest you choose your next words carefully. :reddevil:
 
WebSlave said:
Not until the last person's paid membership expires. I am basically committed to keep this site alive until that time.
Rich are you saying that you are not taking anymore members and once all of current members $$ expires that is the end of fauna ?
 
not at all..

Backwoods-Boas said:
Rich are you saying that you are not taking anymore members and once all of current members $$ expires that is the end of fauna ?


What he was saying is that he "owes the memberbership what they paid for" as long as there are people with paid memberships, so as long as people are willing to pay,he owes it to us to provide whatever it is he feels he owes us for those membership dues.
In other words, we as a membership expect something for our membership dues, and he tries to provide it to us.
 
nicolai said:
What he was saying is that he "owes the memberbership what they paid for" as long as there are people with paid memberships, so as long as people are willing to pay,he owes it to us to provide whatever it is he feels he owes us for those membership dues.
In other words, we as a membership expect something for our membership dues, and he tries to provide it to us.
Thank you sir. Thought maybe I read that wrong, Glad to hear this site is going to be around.
 
nicolai said:
What he was saying is that he "owes the memberbership what they paid for" as long as there are people with paid memberships, so as long as people are willing to pay,he owes it to us to provide whatever it is he feels he owes us for those membership dues.
In other words, we as a membership expect something for our membership dues, and he tries to provide it to us.

Yes, that is correct. If the time should come that I would just get tired of this stuff, I would first stop accepting payments for memberships. The site would remain active only until the last paid membership then expired.

I don't really see that happening, but I think that would be the fair way of handling it. Of course, if that WERE to happen, I think it would be an interesting year around here. :hehe: It's not like I would be really worrying about what goes on here at that time.
 
WebSlave said:
Oh gee, did I solicit opinions in this thread? I thought for certain I was providing an explanation of something that might not have been clear concerning an email that someone was trying to use to slap me around with.

Silly me...... So someone thinks they know better then I how my time should be spent.... Gee Chris, didn't you READ Marcia's post? How was that less "crapping" on me, then my "crapping" on her in return?

Marcia's "dig" about spending my time is uncalled for. I felt it necessary to explain that email Wes is sending around. I felt my time worthwhile to spend doing it. My call to make, and I made it. When I made light of the dig by Marcia, rather then post an irate sounding post, Chris then jumps in with another "dig" about that. Again, that opinion was not needed and is nothing more then an attempt to further inflame this situation. Nice try, but game time is over with. Well for YOU anyway. :eatsmiley

So, short and sweet (it's getting late). The next person to take a "dig" at me, and I'm feeling REAL sensitive about it right now, gets warning points for obvious trolling. That's a ten pointer and an immediate fine and suspension. You are not acting in a manner consistent with the betterment of this site, so I do believe you need to be moving on along. If you learn the lesson before reaching the 100 point limit, then that is fine, but I'm not too concerned whether you do or not. That's my take on it from here on out. No debate, no discussion about it, no benefit of the doubt from me. The trigger finger twitches.

So I suggest you choose your next words carefully. :reddevil:

It is very hard to judge someones "tone" over the internet. Obviously I cannot speak for Marcia or her "tone" on such a matter, that is between you two. To be honest you'll see I did not comment on the actual subject matter directly as I have no real "formed" opinion, just random thoughts on the matter. I can see both sides of the argument and frankly don't see much point in discussing it. Its old news... On one hand I may disagree with some the contents, and I may even be impressed with some of it as well.... but on the other hand its private correspondence and I have learned from prior experience that these sorts of things can turn quite ugly and its better to keep private discussion, private. I don't think you had anything to prove but I do commend you for explaining it even if you did not have too. I'm sure if people were that bent out of shape over it someone would have posted something around here somewhere.... To be honest, I had not even heard of it until recently and no one mentioned anything about it to me, I stumbled upon its mention at the end of the other thread. Man, If people were to share every thought and opinion this world be be a very dangerous place. They bitch about violent crime rates now, just think..... geeesh! lol :eatsmiley

Private matters are better left private, sure the public may disagree with its contents but the public was not the intended recipient. I may not like the fact wes is no longer with us, but I don't think I can agree with passing something like that around to cause turmoil. I've done similar in the past and found that my point could be made without such action, it only made matters worse honestly. I find it hard to believe he would do such a thing, something tells me it may have been something he had shared in confidence and it was exploited thereafter, but its not my place to judge such a thing nor does it really matter at this point.

I just stated my opinion on your reply, nothing more. Honestly I was not looking to harp on it which is why it was followed with a "joke" of somesorts.... My comments were not meant to be taken as harshly as you apparently took them, I was hoping it would not be taken this way.

I figured you may have stopped for a moment and remembered the conversation a week or so back we had in another thread regarding "looking at things from a members point of view" and remember what I had stated regarding attitude and perhaps think of it in retrospect. You seemed to acknowledge it quite well then and offered your point of view which was greatly appreciated, it shed some light on recent events and brought me to understand your position a bit better.

Granted people step out of line sometimes when stating opinions.... And being the owner of the site unfortunately you're going to be the target of anything and everything regarding it and differed opinions. More power to you, those are shoes I certainly would not want to fill!

Don't let it get to you man, it may seem like there is an angry mob at times but just remember that with thousands of members a percentage of them are bound to have opinions and gripes.... and who do they have to discuss these with? You. Especially those who honestly care about this place. Sure it may seem like they are digging at you, but remember this may also be a place they care about, greatly. Mixed messages may ensue.... And the real topic at hand can be forgotten and replaced with arguments and confrontations that really do not help.

I can see why it would be overwhelming and stressful at times. I just think that even though it may be stressfull, addressing them without sarcasm may help avoid things getting out of hand. things have seemed to cool down a bit in recent weeks, I hope it continues that way....

Anyways, I'm not looking to fight with you, nor am I looking to "troll". It is more than obvious even the most simple opinions on my behalf that may differ than yours are taken personally. It is not my intention to upset you but obviously it continues too. I want what is best for fauna and have done what I could to contribute in the past and hope to continue doing so. I just hope you can take what is said with a grain of salt and not let it get to you so much..... I know, it sounds easy..... looks good on paper.... but in reality it is much tougher than it seems. You certainly have my respect for dealing with all of these things and keeping the boat afloat, just please do not think so ill of my statements.

I know my comments may have been directed towards your reply, and taken as a "dig" but my intentions were genuine. Sure people could voice their opinions in better ways, I'm guilty as charged on that offence many times over in the past! Nobody is perfect and I certainly do not claim to be. I was simply hoping that perhaps changing the way you reply to some of these opinions and "digs" could help keep things from escalating, in turn lowering the amount of BS and stress you would have to see in return. I know, again, it looks good on paper...... But its quite hard to do in reality, especially when you feel bombarded. It's an opinion, if you disagree I have no quarrel or heated debate regarding a reply that may differ from my opinion or suggestion. I know you still think ill of my opinions and statements, if you didn't I'm sure I would not be met with such a high and hard wall at times.... But if you were to take just one of my opinions as genuine at least consider this one. Thanks.

Sorry for the novel, My apologies. Hopefully the weather clears up and a ride in your vette cheers you up a bit. :hehe:

PS. Still raining there? The storm in the plains is moving up here towards the great lakes, looks like Buffalo may see yet another blizzard sooner than we thought. Rain and winds blew out two windows and it looks like that rain will be turning to ice in the next day or so, fun stuff! :rofl:

I dig the new emoticons, where did you find them?
 
WebSlave said:
Yes, that is correct. If the time should come that I would just get tired of this stuff, I would first stop accepting payments for memberships. The site would remain active only until the last paid membership then expired.

I don't really see that happening, but I think that would be the fair way of handling it. Of course, if that WERE to happen, I think it would be an interesting year around here. :hehe: It's not like I would be really worrying about what goes on here at that time.

Hopefully that never happens. It sure would be one hell of a free for all though.... *shudders* :bolt01:
 
Thanks Chris. Honestly I don't have a problem with anyone who treats me how I think they would probably want themselves to be treated. Golden rule kind of stuff. If someone comes at me with spines erect, then I assume they are asking for the same in return. And I am not at all shy about giving it back to them.

So I guess I need to change my ways, eh? Not getting into arguments with such people and instead do something else about it. Yeah, I can do that. :hehe:

:bluegrab:
 
Unfortunately when things get heated and people are met with sarcasm or hostility when making an opinion, even if its an opinion that could be worded better on their end, that "golden rule" flys out the window and emotions take over. I can relate, I'm sure you can too.

I wouldnt say you need to change your ways entirely Rich, just keep that in the back of your mind when these sorts of things happen... it may help things from getting so darn overwhelming and perhaps we wont see as many arguements replacing what could have remained discussion. I guess if I were in your shoes I would be more apt to take the "be the better man" route than the "golden rule" route..... Even if they are "asking for it", lets put it this way... Why give them what they want? Address the issue, done deal. Since you cant really depend on others to play nice when stating opinions it seems this would be a better route.

Seems silly, but hey... it just may help. Who knows. Easier said than done of course!

Wish I could practice what I preach sometimes :)

anywho.... have a good one.
 
Chris@TSE said:
Wish I could practice what I preach sometimes :)
Ok, seriously Chris...that made me LOL...literally! ;) :D

Good preachin' btw. We would all do well to consider some of the things you said. :)
 
hey man, Im perfectly willing to admit my wrongs.... always have been. Hindsight is always 20/20 you know :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence on my statements, it would be nice if more people would consider them...... myself included of course hehe :)
 
WebSlave said:
Honestly I don't have a problem with anyone who treats me how I think they would probably want themselves to be treated. Golden rule kind of stuff. If someone comes at me with spines erect, then I assume they are asking for the same in return. And I am not at all shy about giving it back to them.
The way that I recall the Golden Rule nowhere is it mentioned that responding in kind is appropriate.

The ethic of reciprocity, which is stated in the Bible as "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," is a philosophical principle that long predates Christianity. Virtually all religions and moral codes include this principle as a fundamental rule; injunctions similar to the Golden Rule stated in Matthew 7:12 can be found in virtually all cultures and societies. Comparisons have been drawn between the principle of reciprocal ethics and karma, a concept in Hinduism.

The ethic of reciprocity should not be confused with tit for tat, revenge, an eye for an eye, retributive justice or the law of retaliation. The ethic of reciprocity is not about retaliation; it is about treating others with the same respect and consideration as one wishes to be treated. A key element of the ethic of reciprocity is that a person attempting to live by this rule treats all people, not just members of his or her in-group, with consideration.

I believe that this is the point that Chris is trying to make. I know that you could certainly come up with something witty like
Pot. Kettle. Black. Put them in a sentence please.
and it might be (actually almost certainly would be) well deserved on my part, but how does that help you in toning down the acrimony? It's a vicious cycle.

Take your comment to Marcia:
WebSlave said:
Sorry, Marcia. Next time I need someone to tell me how to spend my valuable time, you'll be first on the list for me to ask. :laugh:
and when you were "called" on it, you said:
WebSlave said:
Oh gee, did I solicit opinions in this thread?

Honestly Rich, if you didn't want opinions, why did you not just lock it after you posted?

I can see where you might be pissed off at Wes, and you'd have a legitimate reason for being so. But most of us, even the ones who are most critical, love this place and are happy to be able to enjoy it. Our being here says that, even if our words don't always reflect that. Perhaps you (and the rest of us, myself included) could take that into consideration before we make our "witty" retorts.

I'm not trying to troll or get into a "piss on WebSlave" argument, but how the owner treats people on his site is bound to reflect onto how members treat each other, the moderators, and you.
 
Sheesh, some people just can't seem to take a hint, can they?
 
Webslave said:
Oh gee, did I solicit opinions in this thread?
Jim O said:
Honestly Rich, if you didn't want opinions, why did you not just lock it after you posted?
Rich, I can honestly understand why you would feel the need to post the email and an explanation. But, quite frankly, I wasn't even aware that email even existed until you chose to share it with the rest of Fauna by posting this thread! How can you expect that people will not respond with their opinions, sarcastic or not? Especially after locking the first thread with the comment, "This horse is now dead, buried, a stake through the heart, and decapitated. The paving over begins now....."

Rich, the 'paving over' part cannot occur when you keep digging up the landscape. My opinion is that I think you are putting w-a-a-a-y-y to much energy into this "crisis of the month" where it could be better applied in other ways on Fauna.

My opinions are just as valid as anyone else's... even yours.
 
Sure, Marcia. But honestly now, do you really believe your being unaware of this problem should make it any less important to me to address? Some people contacted ME about it being a problem and THEY suggested that I need to address it. Sorry that you were not privy to this impending problem, but I guess they didn't see the need to contact you. That is not my fault, either. They figured it was MY problem and not yours, I guess.

And no, I don't see the need for you to reply with sarcasm because you do not understand why I posted it. That was uncalled for, and I am sorry you fail to appreciate that perspective.

Yes, your opinions are just as valid as mine. The difference is that I do not have to turn the other cheek when someone states them sarcastically to me as a "dig". And I am not going to any longer. I think I have been MORE then lenient with most people here. Actually, I would wager MUCH more then most website admins and moderators would allow. But enough is enough.

I am comfortable with taking criticism and the expression of contrary opinions. But NOT when laced with sarcasm, innuendo, and invective, even veiled. THAT will cease. I did not put this site up to give anyone the medium in order to do that, and the sooner they figure this out, the better for all involved.
 
WebSlave said:
I think I have been MORE then lenient with most people here. Actually, I would wager MUCH more then most website admins and moderators would allow.
As an admin of two other herp related forums I think that THAT is the understatement of the year... ;)
 
And you dragged up a 4 year old thread, talking as if you are a long time member, to contribute that?
Luckily for you, there is no rule requiring your true name on this part of the site...but if you continue trolling, the door will slam just as hard. That goes for your other account, too, Pedro Perez, Antonio Cimota, or whatever your name may be.

Registration IP Addresses
herpmanout82 76.88.220.136 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
Pedro Perez 76.88.220.136 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
 
So Wes is no longer with us... that's the greatest news EVER! :rofl:

Well, actually you aren't suppose to be with us anymore either considering at least four of your many other user names have been banned for four to five years.

Let me expand on your post a little Harald.

That goes for your other account, too, Pedro Perez, Antonio Cimota, or whatever your name may be.

Registration IP Addresses
herpmanout82 76.88.220.136 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
Pedro Perez 76.88.220.136 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
Before his latest two user names

Pedro Perez
76.88.220.136
Birthday April 25 1982

herpmanout82
76.88.220.136
Birthday April 25 1982

he had the user names

Hellbound, DejaGirl and Silent Noise.
Current status: Banned

Which were all proven alias of one Pete Perez also known as "Beyond the Web". His business was closed, website shut down and his future in this industry destroyed after he exposed himself here as a parasite within this industry. Petey, you may be glad that Wes is gone because of his part in helping you out yourself to the world but it will not change the facts about you.

I may had multiple computer crashes and two or three computers since your time but my memory hasn't crashed.

Before you changed your profile in your original screen name I made note of it.

Beyond the Web
Birthday April 25, 1982
Bakersfield CA

Let us compare.

Pedro Perez
Birthday April 25, 1982
Bakersfield CA

Rich permanently banned you from this site. Now be gone.
 
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