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about to make a trade is this mojave or pastave??
- Thread starter JoeyAwesome
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EmeraldBoid
New member
Looks like a nice mojave to me, but it could just be the camera.
EmeraldBoid
New member
Adding pastel to most BEL complex animals tends to add gold or yellow tones, that guys is really holding onto those nice deep velvet and other darker colors.
JoeyAwesome
New member
Once again I so appreciate the input, helps me learn rather than trying to decifer myself
JoeyAwesome
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Pasodama
New member
Can you get the guy to send you a ventral shot? Also, does he know the morphs of the parents?
The blushing, and light (possibly green) eyes, has me leaning toward its being a Pastave.
Some identification problems can be that there are some awesome Mojaves, with quite a bit of blushing, and some Pastaves that may not have as much. There are some Mojaves, with some nice yellows, and some Pastaves with not as much. There are lighter and darker Mojaves and Pastaves. Etc. Then you have quality of photos.
Of course, there are, also, those Mojaves, and Pastaves, where there is no doubt as to what it is.
The blushing, and light (possibly green) eyes, has me leaning toward its being a Pastave.
Some identification problems can be that there are some awesome Mojaves, with quite a bit of blushing, and some Pastaves that may not have as much. There are some Mojaves, with some nice yellows, and some Pastaves with not as much. There are lighter and darker Mojaves and Pastaves. Etc. Then you have quality of photos.
Of course, there are, also, those Mojaves, and Pastaves, where there is no doubt as to what it is.
snowgyre
Well-known member
Hmm, that's a tough call. Deb is right, I've had regular mojaves fool me into thinking they were something more just because they were really nice examples of the morph.
Do you know what the original pairing was? The first photo makes me think the animal is just a mojave, but the second photo is better and makes me lean toward pastave.
Do you know what the original pairing was? The first photo makes me think the animal is just a mojave, but the second photo is better and makes me lean toward pastave.
Reptile Frenzy
Member
I would say mojo only...
ClarkT
New member
I would say nice mojo, or poor pastave.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
I've avoided this thread; but since it's on top again, I'll just say it....
If you can't tell that a young pastel mojave has pastel in it, why would you want it? If you're trading for a pet, and you just want a nice looking snake; that's one thing...all that matters then is that you are pleased with the trade. On the other hand, if you plan on breeding, that's a different story. IMO, people should consider more than just the morph and price tag when acquiring new snakes. It's worth paying a bit extra for quality.
As for the pictures shown above - the first image shows a decent looking mojave - the only hint at it being a pastel is the eye color. The second image is a little more passable as a pastel; but the colors seem a little off, so that could be artifact of lighting/flash. Based on the second picture, I could accept the idea that the snake is a pastel mojave...but again, at that size, it should be obvious. If you're seriously interested in the snake, request that the seller take a picture in natural light on a stark white background.
It can be very difficult to get pictures that accurately portray the colors of some snakes - believe me, I've struggled with it for years...and still get it wrong sometimes - but it seems that more and more people are content to not even try. (Yeah, I know - who buys/uses cameras in the smartphone age?)
If you can't tell that a young pastel mojave has pastel in it, why would you want it? If you're trading for a pet, and you just want a nice looking snake; that's one thing...all that matters then is that you are pleased with the trade. On the other hand, if you plan on breeding, that's a different story. IMO, people should consider more than just the morph and price tag when acquiring new snakes. It's worth paying a bit extra for quality.
As for the pictures shown above - the first image shows a decent looking mojave - the only hint at it being a pastel is the eye color. The second image is a little more passable as a pastel; but the colors seem a little off, so that could be artifact of lighting/flash. Based on the second picture, I could accept the idea that the snake is a pastel mojave...but again, at that size, it should be obvious. If you're seriously interested in the snake, request that the seller take a picture in natural light on a stark white background.
It can be very difficult to get pictures that accurately portray the colors of some snakes - believe me, I've struggled with it for years...and still get it wrong sometimes - but it seems that more and more people are content to not even try. (Yeah, I know - who buys/uses cameras in the smartphone age?)
