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ACCOUNTING OF WHAT JAMES THORNTON STOLE FROM US!

i think with this from Dannis wife .... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Feral Dragon



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 Posted: Mar. 15 2002,16:46    

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Quote (JThornton @ Mar. 04 2002,10:37)
I'm still alive.
I haven't had internet access because I've been in the Bahamas living off the Private investigator fund and the advertising money. I'm at an internet cafe responding to this.
Just KIDDING!
I have been out of pocket since the servers went down. I have been spending time away from the internet. I have eaten and breathed internet for around three years and it was time for a break!
Now I will address the issues discussed on this thread.
We collected $1000 for Neil's fund. We advanced the investigator $500. According to the contract he was to bill us for any future payments every thirty days. He contacted me at $850 and told me he was 99% sure he had found the criminal and he was working with Tampa police to apprehend (They were after him for other matters). He told me he thought chasing other leads would not be money well spent. I told him if he did any more to stop at $1000. Any reports he was making were to Neil mostly. I have been waiting for the remaining bill? At that point I was going to request a written report of his findings and make sure Neil was satisfied and pay the guy. He has not sent a bill or requested any funds from Neil yet. He has done the work you paid for and reported over the phone mostly to Neil. When I get the bill and the OK from Neil
HE WILL BE PAID!
Although Steve S. has disputed $150 with paypal leaving the funds at $850.
As far as advertising money goes.....
I offered to set up the site we created on Rich's new server with the banner advertising program we had.
He opted to use this format and is planning on compensating you guys that had deposited advertising funds. With the exception of Big Apple and Neil G. there were very little funds remaining.
The funds spent on this site were going towards a very large operating overhead that we had. Rich had agreed to let the funds go towards this for the time we had dealt after he saw the overhead and other things going on.That's the kind of guy Rich is!
My daughter is my business and I kept her situation between friends. IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY!
FYI- She is doing much better and has been back in school for 6 weeks now.
As for you MIKE C..... You got an excellent website for $100 and your friend was given FTP access to download your site well before the server went down. If you need a copy email me at this address. You were also paid cash money for several of your juveniles by me. As for me ripping your friends off! They never questioned me! Only you’re Buddy who was never involved and now you! I still have the dead carcasses in my freezer and will be happy to provide and photo to the dealer who sent them!!! I offered to do this the day they arrived and was told not to.
As for this guy who claims I billed his credit card twice? Contact me and show me proof of this $10 credit card fraud I committed? I will be happy to issue a credit and make a public apology if this was the case?
I am not on the web much so don't take "no response" to any questions as a sign I have disappeared.
I feel I have covered everything and will be in touch with Rich and Neil to tie up any loose ends.
I apologize for not contacting Rich/Neil sooner.
I JUST NEEDED A BREAK!

Your investigator money now at $850 has been and is being responsibly handled. It has been left up to Rich to take care of the remaining advertiser credit. He is doing this from what he has told me.
I spent a lot of time with the last site helping you guys for little or no compensation and this has been a real slap in the face.
Thank you to those who didn't assume the worst and join this "witch hunt".
James


Hello everyone. I am Danni's wife and would like to point out some errors in james' post -

James: "I have been out of pocket since the servers went down."

This cant be true because you have all the money from the accounts that you and Danni used to share. I am not sure exactly how much that is because you went around changing all the passwords so Danni couldnt get in. I am guessing its at least a couple thousand from the months of advertising on the sites we hosted. You could at least give lelola and digiexperience back their domain names. They are just kids.

James: "The funds spent on this site were going towards a very large operating overhead that we had. Rich had agreed to let the funds go towards this for the time we had dealt after he saw the overhead and other things going on."

I am not sure what "operating overhead" you are talking about because the only bill that needed paying was the T1 line. And not a cent was ever paid on that. And as it turns out you were telling Rich that the money was going to Danni. During this whole T1/server/faunaclassifieds ordeal Danni was promised $300 but was only given $107.00 on 12-10-01 (got the W.U. receipt). Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the $500 server (at least we got a little something for all Danni's trouble).

James: "My daughter is my business and I kept her situation between friends. IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY!
FYI- She is doing much better and has been back in school for 6 weeks now."

This cant be right either because four weeks before you posted this (right before you disappeared) she was going to have an operation. Also when lelola called your house about two weeks before this post (you had been gone for 2 weeks) your "cousin" answered the phone and said you were at the hospital. Why was she going in for an operation and you still be at the hospital if shes been in school all that time?

James: "I spent a lot of time with the last site helping you guys for little or no compensation and this has been a real slap in the face."

I think you mean "DANNI spent alot of HIS time on the last site." you just "managed" the money and legal stuff. As for the slap in the face, people call it as they see it. There are alot of coincidences that are making this look bad for you but what really clenches it are the deliberate lies.

I am going to keep this on a nice note and just stick to correcting your post. I dont really have a right to be mad at you (even though I am)because all along I was telling Danni that this all seemed fishy. He didnt listen to me and he must learn from his mistakes. I dont think all these other people will be so nice about it though. All I ask is that you please give lelola and digiexperience back their domain names. They are really nice kids and dont deserve this.

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and this from James</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">JThornton



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 Posted: Mar. 04 2002,10:37    

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I'm still alive.
I haven't had internet access because I've been in the Bahamas living off the Private investigator fund and the advertising money. I'm at an internet cafe responding to this.
Just KIDDING!
I have been out of pocket since the servers went down. I have been spending time away from the internet. I have eaten and breathed internet for around three years and it was time for a break!
Now I will address the issues discussed on this thread.
We collected $1000 for Neil's fund. We advanced the investigator $500. According to the contract he was to bill us for any future payments every thirty days. He contacted me at $850 and told me he was 99% sure he had found the criminal and he was working with Tampa police to apprehend (They were after him for other matters). He told me he thought chasing other leads would not be money well spent. I told him if he did any more to stop at $1000. Any reports he was making were to Neil mostly. I have been waiting for the remaining bill? At that point I was going to request a written report of his findings and make sure Neil was satisfied and pay the guy. He has not sent a bill or requested any funds from Neil yet. He has done the work you paid for and reported over the phone mostly to Neil. When I get the bill and the OK from Neil
HE WILL BE PAID!
Although Steve S. has disputed $150 with paypal leaving the funds at $850.
As far as advertising money goes.....
I offered to set up the site we created on Rich's new server with the banner advertising program we had.
He opted to use this format and is planning on compensating you guys that had deposited advertising funds. With the exception of Big Apple and Neil G. there were very little funds remaining.
The funds spent on this site were going towards a very large operating overhead that we had. Rich had agreed to let the funds go towards this for the time we had dealt after he saw the overhead and other things going on.That's the kind of guy Rich is!
My daughter is my business and I kept her situation between friends. IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY!
FYI- She is doing much better and has been back in school for 6 weeks now.
As for you MIKE C..... You got an excellent website for $100 and your friend was given FTP access to download your site well before the server went down. If you need a copy email me at this address. You were also paid cash money for several of your juveniles by me. As for me ripping your friends off! They never questioned me! Only you’re Buddy who was never involved and now you! I still have the dead carcasses in my freezer and will be happy to provide and photo to the dealer who sent them!!! I offered to do this the day they arrived and was told not to.
As for this guy who claims I billed his credit card twice? Contact me and show me proof of this $10 credit card fraud I committed? I will be happy to issue a credit and make a public apology if this was the case?
I am not on the web much so don't take "no response" to any questions as a sign I have disappeared.
I feel I have covered everything and will be in touch with Rich and Neil to tie up any loose ends.
I apologize for not contacting Rich/Neil sooner.
I JUST NEEDED A BREAK!

Your investigator money now at $850 has been and is being responsibly handled. It has been left up to Rich to take care of the remaining advertiser credit. He is doing this from what he has told me.
I spent a lot of time with the last site helping you guys for little or no compensation and this has been a real slap in the face.
Thank you to those who didn't assume the worst and join this "witch hunt".
James  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

that would be a good start on proving things hes stated and a big line on wat he owes
i could be wrong as it is now 4:20 am ... and im a zombie .. ne ways ill contact ya both today
 
I have been wondering the same thing for a while now. It is time for someone to pay James a visit and teach him right from wrong!

Rick Steward/ Ricks Reptiles
 
I wish I could say that pursuing James would be fruitful, but I sincerely doubt that it would accomplish anything.  It would cost me money to hire an attorney, and I would likely put in a lot of time and effort as well as substantial money, just to get a judgement levied against him, but found to be uncollectible because he has filed for bankruptcy protection.

I can't fix the problems he caused this way, so I have been trying to fix the results of what he has done.  I provided the free banner ads for a period of time to all whom asked, and brought this site back to life for all to use for free.  That certainly doesn't cover everything, but at least it helps.

Further, now that I am finally collecting some funds from the banner ads that are running, I don't feel that this site is a complete hemorrhage on my pocket book.  I have contacted Thomas Crowley (the private investigator) about the file he has accumulated on the breaking at Neil's back in December.  Certainly there is enough evidence in there  (he implied as much to me when I met him at the Tampa show), that my publishing his results and conclusions here will at least provide you all with enough information to be able to identify whom did the break in.  Whether that can or will result in criminal charges is something we'll consider afterwards, but at least the results of what we paid for will have been received and distributed to all interested parties.

I wish there were more I could do that would be more satisfying, but the laws these days seem more designed to hamstring us in red tape than to accomplish the enforcement of laws to maintain fairness in business and personal transactions.
 
Thanks Rich, I guess we all just wished that there was something to do to get this "LOSER" to makes things RIGHT!!

But as we all can see, James is not going to do that!

Thanks Rich for the awesome site!!

Thanks James, for showing what a LOSER you are!!

Rick
 
James,
 If you weren't such a ****ass ( I deleted the term so as not to offend the animal by this same name) maybe we would have caught the guy who did this and we wouldn't have had another breakin.  I really think you are an idiot.  I had to say it.  I am having a dull Saturday.  I hope you read this, James  Do you sleep at night?  Do ****asses sleep standing up?
 Just wondering.
Ken Chiarella Wormman.com
 
Bankruptcy protection doesnt protect him from theft charges. Every single person can file a theft charge against him if they wish to( its free to file) its just takes a little bit of your time and printer ink. By james accepting the funds for a certain cause and then using them for another reason in itself adds another charge. Then by accepting the funds over the internet adds yet another. I admit not alot can be done, but him having to pay $25, $15, and $50 etc... bonds to get out of jail everytime they see him or he is pulled over by the police is enough to make life rough for people like him...
 
Today (05/09/02)  I sent a letter with a check enclosed to Mr. Thomas Crowley, the private investigator hired to work on the case involving the break-in at Neil Gubitz's shop back in December of 2001.  This payment ($670.04) was what Mr. Crowley informed me as being the balance owed for the work he did on this case, and was not paid by James Thornton.

I have requested that Mr. Crowley send me a copy of the file he accumulated on this case, if he is legally able to do so.  There is the possibility that since the contract was signed with James Thornton, that I may not legally be able to receive this information.  Also, I have specifically requested his permission, if I get this information, to be able to publicly post it here.

Everyone whom donated to this cause did so in order to pay for the work that Mr. Crowley has performed on the case.  As such, I am attempting to tie up this loose thread by taking the money I have accumulated on the paid ads for this site and paying off this outstanding debt.  Also, since you all have paid for the services Mr. Crowley performed in our behalf, I am hopefull that I will be able to give you what you have paid for in terms of the information he has uncovered in his investigation.  But bear in mind, that I cannot ask Mr. Crowley to violate any law or contractual agreement, nor can I post anything he states or list his conclusions without his express permission.

In any event, I am doing everything possible from my end to close down this whole massive headache that has been dumped onto my shoulders.

I thank you all for your patience.
 
And A BIG thank you  to James Thornton (LOSER) for leaving Rich with having to take care of this Debit that James OWES!

It is good to see that there are people out there like Rich, who takes care of Debits owed, and doesn`t take off with other peoples money.

It will be nice to see the PI`s report.

Thanks Rich
 
I got an email from Mr. Crowley today, thanking me for the check I sent him.

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I received your check today. You certainly did not have to do that. I thank you very much.
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I will copy another snippet of text from that same email I got from him:

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Under Florida Statutes, Section 493.6122 I am prohibited from making information available that was obtained during the course of an investigation to anyone but the client, who in this case is James Thornton.

I am awaiting a decision from the Division of Licensing, Department of State in Tallahassee to see if I can release that information due to the fact he that he has broken his contract with me by not paying me and by refusing to correspond in any fashion.
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I have no idea how long an answer will be forthcoming, but as soon as I hear something, it will be posted here.

Thanks.
 
There is a way you can get around that statue.  Its actually very simple.  Just "hire" him to investigate the break in using only the info he already had.  He sounds like a cool guy, he might just go for it.
 
Not too long ago, someone asked me if I would like them to stop in at James' residence and deliver a message to him.  At that time, I declined.

If the offer still stands, I would like someone to pay him a visit and *request* that he send a release to Mr. Tom Crowley so that I can get the file he accumulated on this case.  I have no way to reach Mr. Thornton myself, to make this request.
 
There must bwe someone in texas who can pay James a visit. Just look at all the trouble this loser has caused.

It is time for some answers from James!!!

It is time for someone to pay James a visit!

We all know he is reading all of this!

James where are you??

Hiding like a THIEF!!

Rick Steward/ Ricks Reptiles
 
Rick....I'm not going to mention his name, but, there IS someoe out there who lives near James and who know James very well! Rich Z. knows who it is...I know who it is...and the person I'm talking about, knows I'm talking about him, because he reads this site...I would love for him to step p to the plate and try to help us out, but, if he doesn't want to get involved, that's his prerogative and I won't betray that....but, I can ask??

Come on, man??....Please talk to James and tell him to do the right thing??? There are a lot of people on this site that he's ripped off....won't you try to help us out??? ....Neil
 
I Knew that there had to be someone out there who lives close to James and can convince him to come forward with what he knows. I know James could answer some questions.

Who ever you are,  please Talk to James and get him to do the RIGHT thing.

I thought James was a Freind of mine TOO!!

Do the RIGHT thing!!

Rick Steward/Ricks Reptiles
 
Webslave,

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What is the best thing to do right now? Never to post it or are you in the process of legal counseling?

</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>"I" am the one that has been "hounding" Rich to POST THE REPORT!!! I have "nothing" to hide and I would love to see what it says, myself!! So, don't even "think" that I would try to hinder the publication of that report! I WANT IT POSTED!! ....Neil</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

All parties involved, Neil included (see previous quote) have requested the report to be posted.

</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>.In any event, I am doing everything possible from my end to close down this whole massive headache that has been dumped onto my shoulders. I thank you all for your patience.</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

You are very welcome. But I believe people deserve at least some sort of update on the actions that are currently taken.

</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>I have a number of courses ahead of me on this, all of them probably bad ones to take. So I am taking the one that appears to be the one likely to take the least amount of flesh off of my butt in the process.</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Such as?


My final question on this subject is: Is this issue dropped for good even though the information for what the people paid for is available?

An answer for yes or no will be greatly appreciated. We might agree or not with your decision but I believe putting a "blanket of silence" over all this whole thing is not helping one bit to put personal differences aside. We need to put this behind us and go one enjoying oru hobby and our friends. At least from my perspective the only way this is going to happen is by posting the report. But then again I might be wrong.

Best regards, <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
 
My apologies for the "quote" thing. Don't know why they every now and then they do this to me. Anyways, you can read them by left clicking the mouse and dragging through the quote.

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That is REALLY all I want to say on the matter.
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Nothing has changed since I wrote that back on 06/03.

I didn't think it would be popular.........
 
Webslave,

This is not about being popular or unpopular.

We have said in the past that if this site was going to remain credible no one should be treated differently. That's part of the reasons why answers were requested from a well known person such as Neil. Even Bob Clark ethics have been questioned by some people in the BOI for crying out loud! In both instances we might have agreed or disagreed with what was posted but we respected it.

There is apparently nothing "legal" that's keeping you from posting the report. There are apparently no threats of lawsuits whatsoever. Then it's just a matter of choice. ...Freedom of speech and not censorship are the roots on which every democracy is built on...

If the report was never recovered that would have been a completely different story. Those that paid for it would have been out of their money, end of story. Neil's personal personal request to you to have the report posted would have been futile. I guess we would have been better off by not knowing you had the report. Now it is too late.

People have been "crucified" in this site because they have taken other people's money without delivering the goods they had offered. In some instances it was just a deal that involved the deception of one customer and a couple of hundreds dollars involved.

In this instance dozens of people are out of their money for a total of more than $1,500 of undelivered goods.
If we agree to let this one go away, how are we going to address future instances?


As I said at the start of this post, this is not about popularity. Your decision is setting a precedent on how the BOI will address wrongdoings in the future.

Thanks for allowing us the privilege to post in this forum.

Best regards, <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
 
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