Ackie and a Beardie???

[Kaa needs a wife]

Yes but anyone can follow simple instructions. Feed it this and at these time. Check temp humidity etc etc etc. Maybe she has never owned either. Maybe she sits cats and dogs I dunno.

 

[boybronco]

I understand I was curious because Ive seen their temperments and theyre pretty similar. I wanted an Ackie before I got my beardies, I bothered this guy at a local pet store for a good two months for one and he kept saying not for sale theyre breeders. I stopped shopping there and went back a month later and he had sold them for 100 each because no one wanted them! I was furious! Price was the reason I got beardies in the first place!

Clearly she owns bearded dragons...

 

[Kaa needs a wife]

Whoops must've missed that lol

 

[Cat_72]

You claim to be a "pet sitter" but you dont know why housing a bearded dragon and an Iguana together is a bad idea? I would not leave you with my reptiles...

She never asked about housing a Bearded and an Iguana together. Check the title of the thread.

And just because she doesn't know the proper care requirements of an Ackie, it does not mean she doesn't know the requirements for a Beardie.

 

[dragonsfire39]

Look. It's called responsibility. No matter what your age. If you're old enough to own an animal then you're old enough to take responsibility for it no matter what it is. In this day and age there really is no reason to say "i didn't know" anymore. There is so much information out there and not to mention that you don't have to spend $20 a book either. It's mostly free.

As for up and coming herp keepers, that's fine if you have respect for the animals and want to provide the best habitat possible for them. It just seems anymore though that it's nothing but a fad to have a lizard or snake and that people could care less about their care or what they are doing to the animal. That is what is upsetting to me and i'm sure to others.

 

[PsychoBillyNiki]

Look. If info is so easy to get, why havent I recieved any? All Ive recieved is stupid comments insulting my intelligence. Period. I know for a fact beardies can live together. Period. One male, and females is perfectly healthy. Opions and such teach nothing and neither do you. The line about the ackie being carnivorous is good to know. Period. And again common sense has nothing to do with it when you know nothing about one of the animals. How am I to know you cant keep a female in there? Dont give me that line about not caring for the animals, If I didnt care I wouldnt buy them.

 

[Cat_72]

Look. It's called responsibility. No matter what your age. If you're old enough to own an animal then you're old enough to take responsibility for it no matter what it is. In this day and age there really is no reason to say "i didn't know" anymore. There is so much information out there and not to mention that you don't have to spend $20 a book either. It's mostly free.

As for up and coming herp keepers, that's fine if you have respect for the animals and want to provide the best habitat possible for them. It just seems anymore though that it's nothing but a fad to have a lizard or snake and that people could care less about their care or what they are doing to the animal. That is what is upsetting to me and i'm sure to others.

Isn't part of that "responsibility" coming to a place where there are folks you can trust to give you the correct information, and asking your questions there? If you do an online search for care sheets, you will find ones with good information, and bad information. How do you know which to believe? Many people believe that the pet stores know it all, and never been given any reasons NOT to believe this. This "mostly free" information you speak of is what this girl came here looking for. Give the original poster some credit for coming here and asking, instead of just believing the first crappy caresheet or petstore employee she asks. If she didn't care about their well being, she never would have asked, she just would have stuck them together and let nature take its course.

How is this girl supposed to react when in the first couple of responses she's gotten, she's called stupid? How is telling her that she's stupid going to help her learn? Has anyone offered any information to help this gal make an informed choice? Sure, there's common sense, but there's also common courtesy. Ever hear the saying, "There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers?" If you all are so knowledgeable (and adults), take the time to educate instead of belittle. While I agree that a part of raising animals is definitely common sense, I remind you that a part of teaching our new herpers (and anyone else) is common courtesy.

Niki, if you are truly interested in monitors, Bobby Hill (Varnyard) is a great guy on here to talk to about them, he's both super nice and very knowledgeable.

 

[dragonsfire39]

Frankly, I don't recall calling anybody any names. It was the other party that started that. Responsibility is knowing about an animal before getting it, not after. As for searching the internet for websites, that is common sense. If you go to a page made by some random person, then yea, it may not be good information. If you go to a breeder's site, or different educational sites then that is different. The problem is that there are so many animals out there that aren't properly taken care of. And when you try to tell someone that what they are doing or planning on doing may be wrong or bad for the animal, then they get offended and have an attitude. That is what Niki has. An attitude. If she didn't overreact to everyone's posts, then this thread wouldn't have escalated the way it did.


As for this thread, I wasn't rude to this girl at all until she got all defensive and started the immature name calling and rude comments. Personally, I don't appreciate all the crap i've received from her. If anyone should apologize on here my personal opinion would be she should. All i said is that you should research the animals you want/have and that it was crazy to hear that an iguana and beardie were in a cage together and something like that should shock anyone. Then all of a sudden I get an attitude. If people want help, they shouldn't come on here with an immature attitude ready to fight the first person who's response they don't like

 

[dragonsfire39]

Oh, Cat, if you've never heard any stupid questions from people....where the heck have you been?! Try going to some of my college classes. You'll hear some dumb ones

 

[boybronco]

Look. If info is so easy to get, why havent I recieved any? All Ive recieved is stupid comments insulting my intelligence. Period. I know for a fact beardies can live together. Period. One male, and females is perfectly healthy. Opions and such teach nothing and neither do you. The line about the ackie being carnivorous is good to know. Period. And again common sense has nothing to do with it when you know nothing about one of the animals. How am I to know you cant keep a female in there? Dont give me that line about not caring for the animals, If I didnt care I wouldnt buy them.

If you house 1.1 bearded dragons forever the male will kill the female. FYI.

 

[PsychoBillyNiki]

FYI. Im done. People have just assumed about a hypothetical question and gotten upset over nothing. I havent done anything or even plan on it. Im done. I did not come into this being offensive in any way. This is what Im referring to... One. I didnt plan to or do anything. Two. I didnt react defensively until people got upset at me and told me I was idiotic, for housing these animals together, which I obviously never had any intention of doing so. As for over reacting, that's total BS and you all know it. Youve ruined my reputation on this website and that is unfair. Plus wtf is this about an iguana, I never mentioned an iggy. Plus some of you have assumed(again) that my responses were directed
at certain people when it wasnt directed at them specifically. As for not liking peoples responses, how would you like it if you came here after seeing animals housed together that left you completely mind boggled just to see if it was possible? When people see that and come here they get yelled at as if they did it? Dont tell me Im the one in the wrong. You are the ones getting upset at me. Look at my original posts and see if I ever mentioned that I intended on housing them together.

And when you try to tell someone that what they are doing or planning on doing may be wrong or bad for the animal, then they get offended and have an attitude. That is what Niki has. An attitude. If she didn't overreact to everyone's posts, then this thread wouldn't have escalated the way it did.
All i said is that you should research the animals you want/have and that it was crazy to hear that an iguana and beardie were in a cage together and something like that should shock anyone. Then all of a sudden I get an attitude. If people want help, they shouldn't come on here with an immature attitude ready to fight the first person who's response they don't like

 

[Kaa needs a wife]

You know I just kind of Meticulously picked this thread apart reply by reply. I think what really happened is that:

1)Niki is pretty close to being coreect she got badgered for asking a question out of ignorance.

2)Alot of things you were blaming her for ie: Housing iguanas and beardies together was posted by someone else.

3) If I am wrong I am wrong. but in all reality all you guys need to chill the F out.

Asking a question before you commit to the act is not something to be crucified for. I don't think you will find a specific answer for the question can I house an Ackie with my beardie in any book. Yes it may be "common sense" but either way if you don't know you don't know. there is really no such thing as a stupid question if you don't know the answer to it. If you fail to Give good advice to up - and - comers then eventually they will stop asking for it. and you may end up with a bigger mess. I would rather give someone a straight answer and leave it at that than see all this BS and years down the road people ending up like that store in NY that got raided by animal control.
Either because they didn't know or no longer cared.

 

[Watch_Your_Babies]

Wow... you guys are nuts!

 

[Kaa needs a wife]

Yes but I have the paperwork to prove it. Muahahahaha


Oh and I have one last thing to say. My final note on all of this

 

[Cat_72]

You know I just kind of Meticulously picked this thread apart reply by reply. I think what really happened is that:

1)Niki is pretty close to being coreect she got badgered for asking a question out of ignorance.

2)Alot of things you were blaming her for ie: Housing iguanas and beardies together was posted by someone else.

3) If I am wrong I am wrong. but in all reality all you guys need to chill the F out.

Asking a question before you commit to the act is not something to be crucified for. I don't think you will find a specific answer for the question can I house an Ackie with my beardie in any book. Yes it may be "common sense" but either way if you don't know you don't know. there is really no such thing as a stupid question if you don't know the answer to it. If you fail to Give good advice to up - and - comers then eventually they will stop asking for it. and you may end up with a bigger mess. I would rather give someone a straight answer and leave it at that than see all this BS and years down the road people ending up like that store in NY that got raided by animal control.
Either because they didn't know or no longer cared.

Thank you, Jason. My sentiments exactly.

 

[Cat_72]

One more quick note....

About housing more than one dragon in an enclosure. Sara, you keep saying that "everyone knows" that you cannot house more than one dragon together, or at least anyone who knows what they are doing knows that.....I'm supposing that none of these folks know what they are doing?

Quoted from Dachiu caresheet:

Housing -
A hatchling up to 12 inches (ideally), should be kept in a 15 gallon tank. This will allow the lizard enough room to run around and exercise... and yet not have to run too far to catch its dinner. As the Dragon grows, so should its enclosure. I would recommend no smaller than a 55 gallon tank for one or two adult Bearded Dragons (M/F). This will allow each Bearded Dragon 'living-room', minimizing squabbles - yet encouraging their natural displays and interactions. I use a 4 ft (w) X 2 ft (d) X 2 ft (h) cage (eight sq.ft) for housing up to three adult dragons. Any additional dragons should be llowed approximately 4 sq.ft. of floor space per dragon. **

Quoted from AlphaDragonz caresheet:

Housing

Having the right size enclosure for your bearded dragon is very important. The tank or enclosure should be big enough so that your dragon can grow and not be stressed. hatchling dragons can be housed in a 20 gallon tank for a short period of time depending on its growth rate. The minimum size enclosure for one subadult or adult bearded dragon is 48L X 24D X 18H. and for two dragons it is a minimum of 48L X 30D X 18H.

Quoted from Sunshine Dragons caresheet:

Enclosures
Baby bearded dragons can be kept in small 20 gallon long tanks. Reptile tanks are usually wider and lower in height to give the maximum floor space. Juvenile (4 months or so) and adult dragons are very active and need larger enclosures to keep them happy and healthy. Once your dragon is 10-12 inches it really needs to move up to a bigger tank. The smallest size tank a juvenile or adult can be housed in is a 40 gallon breeder tank. A pair should be kept in a minimum 75 gallon tank.

These are just what I found in about 3 minutes of googling.

 

[dragonsfire39]

Hey. Everyone has their own opinion. I myself feel that people need to show maturity with animals. They unfortunately are not able to take care of themselves and cannot tell you when you are doing something wrong. They cannot tell you if they are sick. It's up to everyone that owns an animal, no matter what it is to make sure they do the correct things for these animals. There are too many sick, injured, neglected and abused animals out there that need homes for people to just impulse buy and eventually create more. As I said before, it takes responsibility. As said from my vet, who has a lot of experience with exotics, "95% of people that own exotic animals (birds, reptiles, etc) have no idea how to actually take care of them"

If you are even considering an animal or already have one, it's up to you to make sure you are doing the right thing. There is far too much information out there to say you don't know. Granted, there are some places that you will find bad information, but it's called research. As for not knowing that a petstore will give you bad information. Think about it. Most of the people that work at many of these chain stores are highschool/college kids trying to make money for school. Do you really think that even 95% of them are experts or even have a general knowledge? I don't think so. It's fine to come on a forum and ask questions. But, a better way of doing things would be to ask for general information or places to get good caresheets on the animals Too many people are far too interested in just sticking random animals together just to have more without thinking of the risks on the animals.

As for Niki, if she wouldn't get so darn defensive since the very beginning, maybe other's wouldn't either. For example, go back to post #13. You know, I don't think that people should go easy on someone because they are young. She obviously is old enough to understand how to buy animals. But hey, I guess you can blame it on being young. Not being able to say hey, sorry, i was wrong. All I know is that if someone told me I was going to do/did something wrong that put my animals in jeopardy, I wouldn't get offended but try to fix it.

 

[Cat_72]

Stefanie, I understand what you are saying, and do agree to some extent. However, she didn't get "defensive" and was carrying on a normal, inquisitive conversation until this post:

You can't even house beardies with other beardies, why would you want to kill it by putting it with a monitor??? it's not just stressful, it's fatal and stupid.
Do you even know that different animals carry differetn gut fauna that can be deadly to other species? Iguanas and beardies, beardies and ackies, GRRRR, why are you so lazy that you want to cut corners and risk your animal's lives?? 2 animals, 2 tanks, it's that simple.

And Sara's next post:

Yea, in petstores or equally stupid people.

Regardless of what Niki (or the other poster, the one that actually asked about the Iguanas) originally asked, there was no excuse to automatically start lashing out at them, calling them lazy and stupid. I'd get pretty defensive as well.

Anyhoo......I'm not going to spend any more trying to talk about common courtesy here. My whole point is that trying to educate these folks makes a whole lot more sense than insulting them and assuming you know what their intentions are. If you really have the animals' best interest at heart, do you want to drive them away, or do you want them to learn the right way of doing things?

 

[Watch_Your_Babies]

If this whole thread teaches anything it's don't make assumtions.

 

[dragonsfire39]

Well, if Niki wanted to yell at a certain person, it would help if she would quote who she's talking to. When she just starts yelling, it's hard to tell who she's yelling at. I wouldn't mind helping someone, but sometimes, i'm sure you'd have to agree, that it does get frustrating to see the same questions over and over about sticking different animals together or how small of a cage you can put something in. I've been on different forums and it's always the same thing. Which is why I stress so much that people research the animals. I mean, you wouldn't buy a car without knowing what you're getting, or a house, or heck, even a meal at a restaurant. It's the same with an animal. It is a pet peeve of mine. I've had quite a few sick animals given to me. I can't stand seeing them suffer from someone not knowing how to take care of them.

If you want some sites with good information, then that'd be a great question to ask.