Info Adam Deviney, Adambomb123 - Houston Herpholics

[Hydrobutter]

I want to state for the record, that *THIS IS NOT A BAD GUY THREAD!* HE WILL BE LINKED TO THIS THREAD ONCE I HIT SUBMIT

I really didn't want my first post on Fauna Classified to be a thread like this, I have been lurking for awhile and finally made an account last month. However...

This is an info thread for those who will be dealing with Adam in the future, as he has stated he will be selling these pythons again in the spring, to be fully aware of how he is currently conducting his business transactions . Hopefully, by the time he tries to sell these snakes again, he'll be a little more savvy.

Again, for the record. THIS IS NOT A BAD GUY THREAD, I did get my money back, and there's a tl;dr at the bottom.

I was approached by Candace Pike (Candachan on Fauna and various other places), about a gentleman named Adam Deviney (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=94418) about a pair/trio of Savu pythons plus cages that Adam was selling. i was interested in the pythons, since I really like the interesting looking pythons, so I asked Candace to speak to him on how much he wanted for the pair and the cabinets since she was already wishing to buy the mexmex and hondos.

She inquired and got an initial cost back from him, and it seemed reasonable so I said I was interested in purchasing only the pair and the cages. Suddenly, there was a huge rig-a-ma-roll about how much the cabinets really cost and that he had to also think about if he really wanted to sell some other snakes he originally put up for sale. The next day, he came back with a higher price on the cabinets because he forgot about 30 (or 40?) hours of extra work he put in the cabinets when he originally quoted the price.

I raised an eyebrow of this, but I realized he was probably new to the hobby or business in general, and didn't realize this wasn't probably the best way to conduct a business transaction. At this point, we also found out that one of his female savus had bad mites, and the pair, along with her, were in quarantine being treated. At this, both of us were scratching our heads. However, he stated he was taking care of them and they'd be available to me in a couple of weeks. Candace also mentioned to him, in person (so no emails, sorry), that I was willing and able to further continue their treatment at my place after I pick them up and keep them quarantined from the other part of my collection.

I still didn't feel comfortable with giving him money for potentially compromised snakes, so Candace went over to his place to inspect both the snakes she was interested in, and the pair of savu for me. They all seemed okay, though she did find a mite on one of the females (but not the one I was interested in, IIRC. Candace can correct me if I am wrong). She took hers home after Adam apparently sprayed the snakes down with Nix.

Now, this week I got a forwarded email from Candace saying there has been a bad relapse of the mites and I was now, no longer allowed to pick them (or the cabinets up). That Adam was terminating the deal and my money would be refunded.

I was surprised by this. But apparently he had "eased up" (his words) on the treatment and there was a relapse. Thinking that he either: 1) found someone else to purchase the snakes, for more than I purchased them for or 2) He decided he didn't want to actually sell them anymore (since he went round and round with Candace on what snakes he actually wanted to part with for days). I decided to send him an email that I wanted to inspect the Savu in person to make sure he was telling me the truth. And if there was a mite relapse, then he could refund me my money on the spot.

I got a huge reply back, that basically questioned my competence on treating mites. I also found out that he had been spraying Nix in the faces of the snakes and not wiping them down. By the end, I was entirely fed up with the entire situation and it bled out into the email. But here are the emails, completely unedited aside from taking out one swear word (for the record, I can provide more emails about everything, but there are a ton of them. I just wanted to state this so people didn't think I was lying or holding anything back):

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Adam Deviney<[email protected]>
Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: bad news...
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>

It did not slip my mind... I am going to have to treat all my snakes and enclosures at this point.
I gave you a written receipt with a gauruntee of healthy and mite free savu pythons. Currently I would not claim them to be healthy or mite free. Therefor the deal will be terminated with a full refund.
Giving someone mite infested snakes and cabinets is not good for anyone. I am not a reptile dealer, snake flipper or professional breeder. I am a guy who cares a lot about his pets. I want to see my animals thrive for years, whether they are in my care or not.
Contact Reptmart... They may have a pair for sale....


From:Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To:Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent:Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject:Re: bad news...

Hi,

I forwarded this email to her and she said she will reply herself tonight. However, I know she still wants to pythons and would be continuing their treatment herself. If you are so worried about the mites, I would also be worried about the cabinets themselves. If it were up to me, I would get a refund for the pythons and the cabinets. However, it's her money, so it's up to her. I just wanted to mention it in case it slipped your mind, in regards to contamination.

Thanks,
Candace
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Adam Deviney<[email protected]>wrote:
I have been gradually letting up on the treatment here. There are still a few mites on the pair that you purchased.
The female that is not sold just had a bad re-lapse.
She had what seemed to be no mites at all then.... Here we go again....

I cannot let them go in this condition. They could easily relapse in your friends house and take over at this point.
I would like to just refund the money.
I have a plan and the means to treat here. I have no idea how long it will take but I am sure it will take longer than 1 week!
I will probably offer them up next season.
I can paypal the money or send a check to you...
I am very sorry but I will not sell a compromised animal.

You or your friend can reach me at713-252-3632

From:Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To:Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent:Friday, December 2, 2011 2:06 PM
Subject:Re: Cabinet/Savu Pickup
Adam,

Looks like she will be here for that Sunday. Would that work for you?

Candace
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Candace Pike<[email protected]>wrote:
Yes please do the cabinets also. She will probably come by after the show to get them, I'll iron out details as we get closer to that date.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Adam Deviney<[email protected]>wrote:
Great... They will have shed and I will feed them afterwords... I am confident they will be mite free by then.... I am treating the cabinets also.


From:Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To:Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent:Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:28 PM
Subject:Cabinet/Savu Pickup

Hey Adam,

My buddy will be in town the weekend of the HARKA expo in 2 weeks, she said she can pick up then.

Thanks,
Candace


At that point, I decided to get involved because I had enough. I'm a bit more... blunt than Candace so I let her handle this until now because of it.

Carena Hall <[email protected]> Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:06 PM
To: [email protected], Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Hi Adam,

I understand the receipt states a pair of healthy/mite free savu pythons (well I never seen a copy, so I'm going on your word). However, before I ask for a refund I would like to come over next Sunday and verify the mite infestation to make sure that you aren't just giving me a line; because you found someone else willing to buy them for more money.

I don't mean to be rude about this, but because of how this entire transaction has gone down and how I can not now suddenly wait a couple more weeks for treatment (since mites have a lifespan of 19 days, roughly). I find this whole thing hard to believe. If there are mites, then it'll be easy enough to give me my $490 back in cash after I inspect them.

Please feel free to respond with your thoughts on the subject.


~Carena

Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM
To: Carena Hall <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
I have provided Carena with a photo of the receipt as of now. Just FYI.

Candace
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Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Reply-To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
To: Carena Hall <[email protected]>
Cc: Candace <[email protected]>
I am not happy about how this transaction has gone down either, for the record... When I offered them for sale to you, only one was infected mildly to my knowledge and the cabinet was not in question. When I say I don't want to sell the animals for the sake of their health, I mean just that. I do not have them posted anywhere for sale, fact. I never did. Sell them for a higher price? Have you looked anywhere else? These are two year old snakes. They don't usually breed for 3-5 years, typically 5... I paid 235 for both of them... How do you figure I will sell them for a higher price than 315? I gave you the source already where I purchased the male for cheaper than that.

I don't think you are being rude, and I don't want to be insulting but....

Have you ever dealt with mite infestation? Have you ever sprayed chemicals into the face of a reptile?
If you have then you would know that just because you don't see a mite, that does not mean that they are not there.
I haven't seen a live mite in this house since Candace pointed one out on the snake you are purchasing. Yet I see dead ones popping up inside the tubs of all three of the savus that are under treatment. Mites live on the snake under scales inside pits an around the eyes. Newborn mites are microscopic as well as the larvae.

Lifespan of 19 days... Well if the mite lays eggs, and those mites lay eggs and so on and so on.... Why is the lifespan important? If it were that simple, none of my savu's would have dead mites in there tubs.

Just like mites live in tiny cracks of the pits and eyes, they can live in tiny cracks and crevices in the cage which the snake is in. Do you really want that in your house? I was told that you had some nice and rare species in your possession. Why would you want to take that chance?

So lets say you come over here and you don't see any mites... You drive them to Dallas, introduce them to a new environment... You take them home and you take the "necessary" precautions and continue treatment. What if the mites don't go away? What if they stop eating? What if one of them dies?

I don't want to see one of my pets die, nor do I want anyone to call me saying that I sold them a compromised animal...

Given the fact that these animals will not breed for likely at least another two years... I don't understand the rush here. Why do you want to jeopardize your collection and my reputation for a couple of juvenile pythons? I think you should take the advice of your friend on this one. Get your money back. Do the research and purchase a couple of healthy mite free snakes. I have no idea what the consequences of the nix treatment will be, long or short term. Nor do I really know if I have been doing it right. Its not like this stuff was made for snakes you know!







From: Carena Hall <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Savu Pythons
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Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:38 PM
To: Carena Hall <[email protected]>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Savu Pythons
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>

Can you provide that for me as well? I really did not think this would be such a big deal.. I have been very open and honest here.


From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Carena Hall <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Savu Pythons
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Carena Hall <[email protected]>
Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 3:23 PM
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Why on earth are you doing treatment on these snakes if you are unaware of the consequences of these treatments? Why on earth are you spraying Nix and other chemicals on the face of your reptiles? You're supposed to soak them in a solution of water and oil, or at least wipe them down with a diluted form of Nix on a rag, avoiding the eyes. Nix spray is supposed to be used on enclosures only!

This entire transaction has been baffling, especially with your idea of "easing up" on treatment when you should know that there would definitely be eggs present. At this point, it seems that maybe you should give these snakes up to someone more qualified (which I am not saying is me) because it seems that you are woefully unprepared for this situation if you let such a relapse to happen. Not to mention that now Candace has three snakes of yours in her collection (that you have not even given a second thought to).

Frankly, this entire thing has been an exercise in frustration and I just want my money back as you have been absolutely appalling to deal with. From your wishy washiness, to telling us about the mites after we expressed interest in potentially buying (like it was a complete slip of your mind, second thought), your constant flip flopping of what animals you want to part with, and the constant back and forth on what you want to sell your items for (after you originally quoted us a price, seriously? you're going to change the price after we agree to it?).

Please paypal me as a GIFT to [email protected], for $490. Because I'll be ***** if I pay credit card transaction fees because of your poor business acumen. Also, for your records (since you couldn't be bothered to keep a copy of a business transaction in your files), here is the receipt that makes no mention of your TOS including your ability to void the transaction, only that you will give me the savu pythons after Nix treatment was completed. Coupled with Candace telling you, in person, that I was willing and able to continue treatment on both the cages and the snakes after I got them back to my place...

Please make sure to GIFT the payment to me via paypal.

~Carena
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Adam Deviney [email protected]

3:49 PM (8 minutes ago)



to me






For the record I am following a formula of treatment provided by several different sources. They all stated that you should spray the face, that is where they hide! I have yet to see any of these sources provide any detailed research on effects. So Im not sure how anyone can claim they truly know the effects. Nix is the only chemical that was being used. The other pets were considered. Candace was aware of this temporary treatment of those sold.
I understand your frustrations here. I truly am sorry. I told you exactly who you were dealing with, a guy selling his pets.
I know that I have wasted all of our times...
I have returned both the 490 plus an extra 25 for your troubles. This also cost me 15 dollars in fees...
Perhaps it will pay for your trip to your next reptile show.

Good Luck!

This was the last email I received from him and I do have my money back. However, this whole ordeal has been a little over the top. You are probably wondering why I would want mite infested snakes, or why I went along with the deal for so long. I assumed he was capable of treating the mites, and I felt comfortable with my own experience to treat them as well. It was mainly an issue of time and elbow grease to deal with this. My friend said they looked okay, and it didn't seem like a bad infestation. I didn't want to hold it against him, since he seemed to care greatly for his snakes and was, somewhat, upfront about the mite issue. So it wasn't a big deal in my book. Anyways, this has gotten long winded...

tl;dr for those that don't want to read this entire mess.

1) Here is the receipt that was provided: http://i.imgur.com/2dpvt.jpg
2) Candace tells me about a gentleman selling Savu pythons. I'm interested. Much wishy washy, and weird price haggling commences but we finally settle on a price. Find out the snakes have mites after express interest in purchasing.
3) Candace goes to inspect the snakes, pays Adam, picks up her snakes, and says that I'll be down in a couple of weeks for the Savu. On December 2nd she emails him on when I'll be down and he replies back that the Savu are suddenly not healthy.
4) He says the transaction is void and I'll be repaid.
5) I find this kinda sketchy and ask to come down and view the Savu myself. 6)After passive aggressively being told I don't know what I'm talking about, I decide that I've had enough and just ask for my money back.
7) I get my money back.
8) I made this thread and will be linking him in an email once I hit submit.

 

[Hydrobutter]

Proof that I linked him to this thread:

Carena Hall <[email protected]> Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
FYI: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290477

 

[Candachan]

The one adult mite I found was on the female Savu offered for purchase, I never actually saw the heavily infested female and was told she was being kept in a separate room.

 

[KelliH]

I see this more as the seller being responsible and not wanting to dump his problem animals on another. He refunded you, and even gave you a little extra for your trouble. I do not agree with the spraying of Nix in the face (nor do I agree with soaking snakes in some sort of oil solution). However all of that just shows inexperience and not bad intentions.

I am getting a little frustrated with the use of the INFO tag to disguise a BAD GUY thread. Being in this business for so many years now, I take very seriously the posts on the BOI and strongly feel that sometimes these INFO (bad guy) threads are posted not with any intent to help others but rather are posted because a potential buyer gets pissed off that they did not get what they wanted. Just my opinion of course, no disrespect meant to anyone.

 

[Candachan]

I don't see it as a Bad Guy thread at all, and it was even stated several times that it wasn't. What exactly is the INFO tag supposed to be for, in your opinion?

He knew about the mites when he offered them to me, so it doesn't really seem like he was that concerned about them in the first place. He suddenly changed his mind when a completely different snake in a different room had a relapse. We were fully aware of the mites from the start, and Carena said she had no problem treating them at her house while they were in quarantine.

 

[KelliH]

I don't see it as a Bad Guy thread at all, and it was even stated several times that it wasn't. What exactly is the INFO tag supposed to be for, in your opinion?

He knew about the mites when he offered them to me, so it doesn't really seem like he was that concerned about them in the first place. He suddenly changed his mind when a completely different snake in a different room had a relapse. We were fully aware of the mites from the start, and Carena said she had no problem treating them at her house while they were in quarantine.

Well I reckon the INFO tag is meant for BOI threads that are providing information. I already stated my opinion about what many of them are so there's no need for repeating. It's just one person's opinion anyway.

As long as he gets the mite problem properly dealt with, I'd have no problem dealing with this seller.

 

[Candachan]

And this thread is providing information. Thanks for posting?

 

[Hydrobutter]

I guess I should note, since I apparently wasn't clear enough, that my main frustration comes from how he conducted his business, and not because of the health of the snakes (which we knew from the semi-start and accepted the potential for issues) nor being a "potential buyer being pissed about not getting what they want". In fact, I even went so far as to mention that he cared greatly about the snakes and the mites wasn't the issue.

If anyone wants to buy from this seller, that's fine. The whole purpose of this thread was to make mention that you will need a healthy dollop of patience with him.

Anyways, Candace also touched up the other things that I wanted to say re: the mites and the information we had regarding them.

 

[KelliH]

And this thread is providing information. Thanks for posting?

Well you are welcome sweetie, and thank you for posting!

 

[Houston Herpholics]

I will respond to the events here.... I first will say I don't like being put on the spot for a situation that was resolved positively...
There is more to this story than is stated here. This was a package deal involving two parties. One party took home three snakes. To my knowledge that party is perfectly happy with those snakes! You folks are stating this thread is about information... So why are you only talking about the negative information? Perhaps you can provide some information on the quality, care and health of the reptiles in the completed transaction.

 

[wyldwurm]

I see this more as the seller being responsible and not wanting to dump his problem animals on another. He refunded you, and even gave you a little extra for your trouble. I do not agree with the spraying of Nix in the face (nor do I agree with soaking snakes in some sort of oil solution). However all of that just shows inexperience and not bad intentions.

I am getting a little frustrated with the use of the INFO tag to disguise a BAD GUY thread. Being in this business for so many years now, I take very seriously the posts on the BOI and strongly feel that sometimes these INFO (bad guy) threads are posted not with any intent to help others but rather are posted because a potential buyer gets pissed off that they did not get what they wanted. Just my opinion of course, no disrespect meant to anyone.

I'd have to agree with you. The "Just want to put this out there" is really becoming a lame excuse. It's getting tiresome to see buyers bashing sellers because they didn't get their way. Rather childish.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

From the info provided in this info thread, I might give the seller a chance but the buyer seemed very rude so I'd probably avoid them.

 

[Hydrobutter]

From the info provided in this info thread, I might give the seller a chance but the buyer seemed very rude so I'd probably avoid them.

I was frustrated. We've been dealing with this for weeks, and both of us were tired of the constant circular conversations we were having with him. It was unreal the amount of patience we had towards this whole bumbling transaction.

I guess it would be appropriate at this point to post the entire email string to show exactly what I mean, regarding patience. Just a warning, it is lengthy and spans weeks.

I'd have to agree with you. The "Just want to put this out there" is really becoming a lame excuse. It's getting tiresome to see buyers bashing sellers because they didn't get their way. Rather childish.

Okay, I'll bite. How exactly should the information tag be used then?

 

[Kerr1ck]

I'd have to agree with you. The "Just want to put this out there" is really becoming a lame excuse. It's getting tiresome to see buyers bashing sellers because they didn't get their way. Rather childish.

So only eBay style A+++ Would buy Again!1! and ripoff alerts should be posted?

 

[JudyC]

I could make an argument for people shooting the messenger here. Maybe discussions about HOW the BOI should be utilized are best done somewhere other than an actual BOI thread where the original topic of the thread gets derailed and buried?

It was obviously a very frustrating buying experience and the OP felt it useful information for others to consider when choosing whether or not to do business with the seller. If YOU still think the seller is a safe bet to do business with, then you considered the information provided and weighed your options and made your choice. What's so wrong with that? Maybe someone else who KNOWS they have little patience with this kind of amateur business will be glad they had this information in advance and will choose to take a pass on doing business. Again...what's so wrong with that?

 

[Bobby Douglass]

I was frustrated. We've been dealing with this for weeks, and both of us were tired of the constant circular conversations we were having with him. It was unreal the amount of patience we had towards this whole bumbling transaction.

I guess it would be appropriate at this point to post the entire email string to show exactly what I mean, regarding patience. Just a warning, it is lengthy and spans weeks.



Okay, I'll bite. How exactly should the information tag be used then?

I probably would. it might help others understand your reaction.

 

[Houston Herpholics]

I would like to comment on this...

"I was frustrated. We've been dealing with this for weeks, and both of us were tired of the constant circular conversations we were having with him. It was unreal the amount of patience we had towards this whole bumbling transaction.

I guess it would be appropriate at this point to post the entire email string to show exactly what I mean, regarding patience. Just a warning, it is lengthy and spans weeks."

If your intentions were to share the information on your buying experience then why didn't you provide all the information in the first place. You state that you were frustrated about the countless emails going in circles... Then why didn't you pick up the phone and call me yourself like I offered for you and Candace to do several times, which even to this day never happened. I asked for some feedback on the completed transaction here.... No reply? My next question would be, if you were so frustrated dealing with emails going in circles why didn't you email or call me directly? I offered several times. Perhaps that would have avoided some confusion. I think it is just as other posters here put it, you are upset that you didn't get what you want so you are making a public fuss. I didn't even know your name until you were denied questionable animals... What does that say about you?

 

[Candachan]

As for the three snakes I bought, they are beautiful animals, but they are still in quarantine and strict observation so I can make no comments on their health that are definitive.

 

[Hydrobutter]

Why would I call you? There wouldn't be any paper trail and it'd be a he said/she said situation. I keep all my business transactions to email for this very reason, it's easy to go back and see what was decided on.

And I said I would post all the emails in another post because the OP was already getting long.

Here is everything I could gather re: emails that haven't been posted so far. I may have left a straggler out because of just how many emails were flying around, regarding this and gmail isn't the best regarding linear time lines any more. So if this seems confusing, I'm so sorry. I tried to align them up chronologically as best I could.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>

125 on the Mex Mex
275 on the Cal Kings Huge Female
325 09 Pair of Savu Pythons 36-38 inches
125 Male Thayeri
50 Regular male Cal king
80 Wild type female Honduran 5 Ft Huge

I will take offers on anything I have right now. I will not have enough time next year to tend to all my snakes...

713-252-3632
Let me know

From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Mexmex


Still available? I'm local and could pick-up.

Thanks,
Candace


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>

Well I will forward the offer to her, but it's not really my decision in regards to the Savu and cabinets. She has some very nice rare species and is very, very cautious about the possibility of mites or other things.

I definitely want the female Mexmex, and I would also take the big Hondo if you (or your wife)changed your mind on her. I have some other nice Hondos that would pair well with her. I will be quarantining anything so I am less concerned with the mites, I have my own rare species but they will not be in the same room.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>


ok... let me go into detail about the cabinets.
The two matching cabinets....I have been looking over my receipts here... When I said that the 75 each covered the cost, I did not consider the recent heat upgrades that I installed that took me ten hours to do. I can also connect any of the four compartments any way you like with the pvc connections I currently have. One is shown in the pictures.. My intentions were to create a breeding colony for Hondurans and or kings... Overall I spent about 30 labor hours doing all this..
Recent upgrades not pictured on Facebook include heat tape covered by plexiglass and sealed with silicone in three out of the four compartments. These are strung together and currently controlled by thermostat. Thermostat and ceramic heat bulbs and lamps would be extra. I can outfit the other compartment with another ceramic heat bulb if necessary. I am only mentioning this because they will be shown in the picture.

All this being said, I would have to sleep on the final price. I refuse to just throw a number out there. I will send the pics for y'all to consider, and fall in love with! I hope you understand my hesitation here. This was a timely and costly investment, I don't want to just give it away.

I will send three emails with pics and prices for each cabinet and tanks I have available. This is difficult to explain so I will try to break it up for you...\

I have three savu pythons, Two of the three are undergoing a nix treatment for mites. The one who got the worst of it is not for sale. The male had a moderate level mite infestation. I can assure you that every necessary precaution was taken so none of my other snakes have been infected. They all received the nix treatment just to be safe and were placed in tubs with paper towels. After observing no mites in the room where my kings and the female savu for sale were kept, they were transfered back to clean cages sprayed with nix and lined with paper towels. After one week, I observed only two snakes out of 14 have been affected. These were the snakes in the other room...

I can assure you that the mex mex does not have them. I care very much about my snakes and would not sell them if they were in danger. I will inspect the male savu and check his progress. I suspect that he is ok fine he ate just before I discovered them and like I said was not that bad. The treatment has been going on for about two weeks now, I just inspected the paper towels inside the tub and do not see any...

Why don't you explain the situation to your friend and see if he is still interested. Just trying to be honest and up front here. You are welcome to come by and check them out this weekend yourself, they are under control and I have nothing to hide.

Give me some time on the pics










From:
Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex

That's a shame, it's a gorgeous Hondo. I'm not looking into Cali kings right now, sorry.

I would also like the Savu and the cabinets. How many cabinets do you have and what are the measurements?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
I should probably keep the hondo, my wife's snake and she is putting her foot down. Not sure if my other female will be ready next year.

Mex Mex is yours for 125 via pay pal or cash and you can pick her up later this week or this weekend. No interest in the albino cal king pair? I could do some tubs and heat pads for free or zilla tanks for... negotiable.


From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex

i like the cabinets but i dont have any space in my house. However i do like the wildtype hondo female. would you do 200 for both? negotiable if you want


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On Nov 21, 2011 6:22 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
houstonherpholics
The cabinets have heat tape installed in the bottoms of them, sealed with silicone.I use a thermostat that has a fuze just in case.
Yes, you may have to tease feed her but she has such a big appetite, I can't imagine her not eating frozen. I have fed her f/k a couple times with tongs.
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
I can paypal you money and pick her up this weekend. do you think she would eat frozen? whats your facebook so i can look at cabinets?


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On Nov 21, 2011 5:56 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:

I fed her mostly small mice, live... During breeding season. She is capable of eating adult mice.I have been feeding her every 3-4 days medium/large. She has eaten everything I put in front of her. When I bred her, she was eating like 3-5 small mice per week I couldn't believe it...then fuzzys then pinkies. All the way until 1 weekbefore dropping... She resumed feeding the next week.

She is plump and ready to be brumated. She is also in shed mode now so I will have to check on her last feeding for you.
If I sell you this snake, you have to give me wholesale price on a pair of the babies We will miss her..
I am usually home evenings after 730.
Saturday anytime for the most part. We might be able to do tonight if you like just call me around 7:30 and let me know what day works for you.

If space is the issue, I can include one of the cabinets you saw on my facebook for cost.. Only cost me about65 bucks to makeeach oneand each one would hold a pair comfortably.

I also have some tanks and tubs up for grabs as well. 2 10 gallons 1 40 gallon no lids at all... some 28qt sterilite tubs
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
As tempting as the list is, I only have room for the Mexmex. How well does she eat and on what? When can I pick her up? I live near the Galleria.


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From: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
To: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
Why don't you plan on coming by on Saturday... We can talk more then. I am not planning on selling either but you never know. I have a nice ghost that was going to breed with those two... I'm not sure if I will have time for all that next year. I should be changing jobs soon.
From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex

I'll let her know and see what she would like to do about the mite treatment. Would you be willing to sell the younger tangerine Hondo female or is she also not for sale? Thanks for getting back to me.

Candace
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
Absoloutley... The thermostat is a zilla
R'Zilla 11939 Temperature Controller, 1000-Watt
I paid 30 foritIts brand new. 150 watt ceramic bulb brand new 20 for it150 watt clamp light zilla or zoom med usednot sure 25 for it... I have nouse forthese at all. I can install the pvc connections for 15 each or 40 for three.
I totally understand the concern.. If you are happy with the health I can continue the treatment at my house until we reach 3 weeks itsbeen 12 days. I have them in their own corner where i spray nix on the surrounding area completly so They don't contaminate my collection. I have them four feet away from my gtp and I haven't seen any mites inside. These are in a serperate room. The unit was sanitized and treated once again with nix before adding the bedding last weekend.

It would be 490 for the savu pair and cabinets
mex mex would be reduced for the package to 100
590 for everything

From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Mexmex
She would like to know if you'd sell the thermostat with the cabinets, and what brand/model is the thermostat? So it'd be $490 for all the snakes listed and the cabinets? Let me know. She said as long as I can look at the animals and deem them healthy, that she is still interested. She was planning on cleaning and probably sealing/staining the cabinets or something similar. I can install the pvc connections for 15 each or 40 for three.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
Thats a shame... I haven't put an offer up for you two to consider. I was simply exlaining my costs. If the health of the animal is in question, you can verify it this weekend. He is very healthy.

My offer as a package was...
100 mex mex
315 savus
175 for cabinets with the heat tape only
or
110 for the two 40 gallons with heat pads and thermostat

From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Mexmex

Hi Adam,

Unfortunately my friend decided against getting the Savu or the cabinets. However, I would still like the Mexmex as long as you know she is mite-free. I can bring my own container for her also and look her over when I come this weekend. Would that work for you?

Thanks,
Candace
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Candace Pike <[email protected]> wrote:
Still available? I'm local and could pick-up.

Thanks,
Candace

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From: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: ok...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

1132 West Pierce St. Apt A
Houston Tx 77019

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: ok...
10 will be good for me, and no we dont have either sorry. whats your address?


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On Nov 24, 2011 12:35 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
I think around 10 would be fine... It's easier to look this stuff over when there is still sunlight shinning in the house.
You or your freindwouldn't happen to have a femalegtp you wanted to trade by any chance?
Or perhaps a luecistic Rat?

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: ok...
Sounds good to me, i can probably come by either saturday evening around 5 or earlier in the day before noon


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On Nov 23, 2011 6:54 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
I have made up my mind about the hondurans... I will take 150 for the ghost and 80 for the larger wild type... I will not have the room for them once you take the cabinets.

Thanks

From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: ok...

One more question, are the Save pair captive bred or wc?

On 11/23/11, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
> Saturday would be best and yes your math does make sense. It is hard to
> part with a pet that is why it went from 80 to 100 I know she is only worth
> 80... If anything changes in regards to the hondurans, with those prices, I
> will let you know by friday. I have to keep space in mind now because my
> two cabinets will be leaving.
>
> Your business is appreciated,
> Thank you,
> Adam
>
> From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
> To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: ok...
>
>
> PS - whoops $150 for the ghost, sorry for the math mistake! haha
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Candace Pike <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Well I came up with my offer of $310 based on your original price of $80 for
> the girl female, so I doubled it for both females (even though one is
> smaller) and then $140 for the ghost. Not retail prices but I was also
> basing this on the fact we would already be buying a lot of stuff from you.
>>
>>My friend said she doesn't need the extra female and will be fine with the
>> pair. I also will pass on the Hondo girl simply because you originally
>> said $80. I can understand she is a pet, and if that's the case, then you
>> guys can keep and enjoy her. I wouldn't want to part someone with a pet.
>>
>>
>>So right now we are at $590 for the Mex, Savu pair, and cabinets. I'll
>> plan to come by Saturday or Sunday, whichever would work best for you?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Candace
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I did forget. LOL I thought it was 200... I think I can do the large
>> female for 100 so long as you give me first offer if you decide not to
>> keep her. She is a pet to us and we don't really want to see her go...
>> As for the other two, I think I will keep them if I change my mind I will
>> let you know by friday.
>>>
>>>Let your friend know that I may have another female savu she may want to
>>> consider. 2010 She is healthy and if you are waiting for the nix
>>> treatment to stop she should be ready by then. If she is interested I
>>> will talk it over with my wife and come up with a price. Id rather not
>>> bring it up unless she is interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
>>>To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:33 AM
>>>Subject: Re: ok...
>>>
>>>
>>>In case you forgot, you wanted my pair for $150. You don't have to
>>>accept, I have no problems just buying the other 3 snakes and
>>>cabinets.
>>>
>>>On 11/22/11, Adam Deviney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I would feel like I am loosing all my snakes and my shirt... LOL. It
>>>> wasn't
>>>> that long ago that you were selling a pair for 275, now you want my trio
>>>> for
>>>> 310???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Candace Pike <[email protected]>
>>>> To: Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: ok...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Understandable. How would you feel if I came over with $900 cash in
>>>> hand,
>>>> for everything? Savu pair, Mexmex, 3 Hondos, and cabinets. I'd still
>>>> prefer the cabinets and Savu to stay until the mite treatment is
>>>> completed,
>>>> but can collect the rest before that.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know,
>>>> Candace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Adam Deviney <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will have to sleep on the honduran situation... I am assuming you
>>>> were
>>>> looking at pictures of my handsome male ghost that I have as well. I
>>>> would
>>>> rather you just come by and check everything out before you pay. This
>>>> way
>>>> there is no confusion or a threat on anyones reputation. I want good
>>>> reviews and no bad blood. . We can talk about the hondurans there and I
>>>> can
>>>> drop them off or you can come another time. You might be able to
>>>> persuade me
>>>> with a promise of a trio of triple het babies.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you should see the health of the hondurans before I give you an
>>>>> asking price. They are amazing looking and are in great shape.
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe If you told me what they are worth to you we can go from there. I
>>>>> have no expectations at this point because I wasn't really planning on
>>>>> selling them.
>>>

 

[Bobby Douglass]

The whole deal kind of seems like a mess from the beginning. Neither party really seemed like they knew what they wanted to do and then to go through a third party just made things worse. While I understand wanting what you paid for I can kind of understand his position in this case if the mites got out of hand. I do commend him for the quick refund as well. I don't really have a problem with the thread, people can take what they want from it.