Adam Irwin (anyone dealt with him)

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

Well I went though major problems today with Mr. Adam Irwin with a number of my contacts, and it looks to me that he is willing to sort things out. He did make a remark in the area according to my sources after freezing his pay pal account that he " Was edgy on shipping to a Apartment Complex". Excuse me for saying this, but if he had known the upscale neighborhood and complex I am in, what concern really is this? I have proved to a number of sources of my innocence and it has me wondering if he really had all the animals that he billed me actually for. Anyways bottom line is he has willing admitted wrong doing and his refunding the full amount an a bulk order. I would make one thing very very clear tho. Adam Irwin I feel that he can provide animals if your seeking one or two but I can never possible see that he can work with quantity order ever again. Now all the issues with Adam is not cleared, but I will say if all goes smooth, and everything clears, like I told Adam in this last e-mail, I don't want no hard feelings in addition , I would like to say thanks to the reptile community to the viewing here and if they feel the need the staff can remove this post. Adam himself apologized and we are talking about this diplomatically on the phone in the morning. I will post ONLY one of very last e-mails to show so this will all end.

From : Adam Irwin <[email protected]>
Sent : Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:04 PM
To : "Rick Leverock" <[email protected]>
Subject : Re: Please Adam

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I'm sorry Rick it looks like paypal didn't send you the 970.70 but held it because of the claim you filed against me I hope you will drop the claim and the money will show up in my account. I really am sorry this all happend I just haven't felt comfortable with you it is all my problems and not your fault.

Adam Irwin

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

Also to verify further.

From : Adam Irwin <[email protected]>
Sent : Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:00 PM
To : "Rick Leverock" <[email protected]>
Subject : Re: Please Adam

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Rick I am sorry This isn't your fault. I have trust issues and didn't feel comfortable shipping to an unconfirmed appt address. I have refunded all your money, but because of the action you took against me on paypal it also sent you 970.70 extra over the 4,000. I really hope you will be honest and refund the money. I am sorry I am such a bad business man.

 

[madamant]

ok if you will please delete this thread PLEASE!!

im sorry, Adam has apologised and paid what he owed, dont know why he wouldnt correspond in the first place, now hes calling and emailing, so its being sorted...

Thanks for listening tho..

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

ok if you will please delete this thread PLEASE!!

im sorry, Adam has apologised and paid what he owed, dont know why he wouldnt correspond in the first place, now hes calling and emailing, so its being sorted...

Thanks for listening tho..

Donna

I am pretty sure that management will not delete this thread. They never have in the past. Unfortunately, this is here pretty much forever

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

John, I can't place you from Suncoast in Largo. Are by any chance are you on the Board of Directors?

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

I must say, I do feel bad for Adam and it is hard for me to admit that. I felt the need to say something in all honesty because every bit of the $4,000 Cleared his bank in good faith and not getting the animals nor the full amount back at the time of his decision not to send the animals after payment. In my honest opinion and thinking pattern I really think it was one of two reasons and both the reasons should of never effected his shipment of the animals paid in full. In my opinion , he has either went by someones word of mouth in his area, ( non reptile wise ) on not doing business with me, or he got a better offer for the animals he had and took both payments then stuck be with the Job on locating $4,000 dollars ( In Animals) more for my British Customers who have already payed for my services. Either way, considering the aftermath, I do forgive you Adam and I really do not want people thinking negative of you, you have sorted this out in good faith however it truly needed a wake up call on ethics. With all set aside, I do encourage the Admin and Mod team to delete this post if you so do desire, my heart and prayers are with you Adam and good luck in the future.

Sincerely,
Rick

 

[ravensgait]

Yeah it's going to stay here and when anyone does a search on the names mentioned this thread will pop up.

Rick, Donna ,, what animals were you buying from him???

Sounds like someone found out about this thread..... Randy

 

[CootersBoas]

Awesome, I'm really glad you two got this settled like gentlemen. I am curious as to how much money you lost to paypal due to all the back and forth transactions. Is Adam Irwin is going to take care of that, too, since this is all his fault. I must say that my faith in him has not been restored and I still will not be doing any business with him ever. Nor will any of my friends.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

John, I can't place you from Suncoast in Largo. Are by any chance are you on the Board of Directors?

Not me...I'm out of Bradenton

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

To be honest 5 (07) albino boas, 6 (06) Pastel ( Jeff Ronnie line) 100% Het. Coral Phase albinos, and 1 (06) Female Woma was paid in full for the $ 4,000 ( Paid in advanced) to Mr Irwin. I do have a respected breeder of Fauna and the reptile world seeking to fill this immed. order ( however still awaiting calls on some of these). The funds are now available for anyone of intrest. My British Customers and my dedicated UK Sales Rep. Casey who has been loyal is awaiting word on this. Either I provide them these the same (or similar quality with of the animals pending agreement) in complete satisfaction or I refund their money without hesitation. These are great people over in England and Scotland and deserve the very best from America), and I beg the American Reptile Community to assist on this . Anyone that can assist, please feel free to e-mail me without hesitation, God Bless.

 

[LauraB]

I'm glad the issue has been resolved without further misunderstanding.

Either I provide them these the same (or similar quality with of the animals pending agreement) in complete satisfaction or I refund their money without hesitation.

So you were paid in advance for animals you did not actually have in your possesion? Perhaps a refund to your dedicated UK reps is in order.

With all due respect, it could be that Adam was simply uncomfortable selling to you after seeing your free reptile adoption center/home placement advertising on Craigslist: http://miami.craigslist.org/pet/368647974.html
(Kudos to you for not re-selling rescues, if indeed that is the case)

Or maybe after seeing your homepage: http://www.tbexotics.co.uk
Or perhaps it was the US pricelist at http://www.tbexotics.co.uk/pricelist.htm
with the 3 catagories, "members, non-members and admin-mod" prices and the stipulations for your best prices. Given the extensive number of animals listed on your pricelist, it's a shame you can't satisfy your UK connections. Maybe he was just simply concerned about his animals being exported...I know I would be.

I agree that Adam's accepting your payment, not fulfilling the order and then the delay in returning your funds is not exactly good business sense, but there could be reasons other than "slander" for his decision.

Also, are you not also registered here under the user "Rick_L" (register date 1-28-07)?

Finally, please accept this as constructive criticism. While I'm sure you're an intelligent man, your writing style is not unlike so many Nigerian scammers. I will reluctantly admit that would I have received a business email from you, not knowing anything about you or TBExotics, and based solely on your writing style, I might think you were one of them. Sorry to be so blunt.

 

[Amelia]

Good to see that this was able to be resolved Rick & Donna. Its always nice to see good people come through and do the right thing in this hobby in instances like this, for whatever the reason at least things were resolved and hopefully you don't have to go through many more cases like this for future deals you do.

-Amelia Czebieniak
ES Tropicals

 

[madamant]

my my we have done our homework haven't we Laura, our website is nothing to do with this, neither is our adoption placements, and no rescue/adoption is resold, a good loving home is found for any animal we are asked to take.

I also don't see what his writing style has to do with this either, I simply started a thread and asked if anyone had any dealings with Adam Irwin, no need for your pompous attitude or site knocking, our website and chatroom does very well.

criticism is good when you at least take time to get to know someone or something, you know nothing what so ever about us, only what you have seen by your quick research, you cant judge a book by its cover.

I admit the US price sheet is wrong and it should of never been placed, Rick has asked me to remove it on numerous occasions, I just haven't got to it.

Just because Rick writes a certain way does not make him a bad person or a scammer, the guy had money in hand, how can that be someone sounding Nigerian and scamming him, he was paid in full for all animals regardless of what our website looks like.

 

[Kingetula]

I'm just curious... Do consumers have rights when this happens?

I ask because if someone makes a deal with a company, money is exchanged and a few days later the company says, "oh sorry we can't do the deal now because.... and here is your money back".

I would be pissed if I made a deal and passed on another deal only to have the company or person back out. Not only did I not get the (snakes in this case) but I lost out on the other snakes I could have got because I passed on that deal and now they are sold. Just doesn't seem right! Do we have rights? What if it was every day business and not just with animals?

 

[Kingetula]

I'm just curious... Do consumers have rights when this happens?

I ask because if someone makes a deal with a company, money is exchanged and a few days later the company says, "oh sorry we can't do the deal now because.... and here is your money back".

I would be pissed if I made a deal and passed on another deal only to have the company or person back out. Not only did I not get the (snakes in this case) but I lost out on the other snakes I could have got because I passed on that deal and now they are sold. Just doesn't seem right! Do we have rights? What if it was every day business and not just with animals?

EDIT: I am not pointing fingers at this deal or people but asking a general question and giving an example not related to this story. (It may seem similar however and that is my point for the question)

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

"Finally, please accept this as constructive criticism." Laura, this is far from being in the area of constructive criticism you could get. The animals were paid in full period by me and deposits only were accepted pending the cities completion by a respected and well known USA Broker and Python Breeder, I don't need to go on after this post after this. The reptile rescue mission was set to provide good homes free of charge of healthy animals that can not be looked after anymore ( And has been proved effective). This also helps with all the New Florida Laws that came out as of July 1st,2007. We have already been praised by a Florida Zoo for that side of things as well. The USA Price sheet is wrong period for having different levels of pricing and I have made the recommendation for it to be removed way before your little comment. Your the one provoking a attitude but after seeing your profolio in certain areas, its truly is not shocking to see and I would expect nothing more. I won't go into it because its truly a waste of typing. This problem was sorted in a very effective manner and positive and Adam and I are now talking in a positive way. I have exclusive rights with a few respected breeders for the UK. And if they did not like that , they would of very well refused. This is not on our website for your research only in e-mails and letters. If you don't like our business, I just say to each his or her own. Both the American Breeders are making money in addition the United Kingdom Reptile Community is saving money and your comments nor your posting will effect that by any means.

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

EDIT: I am not pointing fingers at this deal or people but asking a general question and giving an example not related to this story. (It may seem similar however and that is my point for the question)

Your question I take very well and I am not offended at all, If anything its a question that should be asked and or explained prior to any transaction. Yes all of our customers do and they are very well protected at all times. Un-fort this has occurred and I am seeking to either replace the animals in which Adam failed to provide ( only with acceptance from our British Customers) and or refund the money to those that do not wish other animals. I am going through as we speak a reptable breeder that has a name for himself known across both Countries in a agreement to provide me photos and accept payment ( pending authorizations of our British Customers). Adam had a long talk on the phone a for a bit and its all working out good. Adam has has personal issues in certain areas recently that has caused alot of this. I will like to POINT OUT, Adam has been advised about Fauna verbally and will be posting soon. We have sorted all this diplomatically and resolvement issues have been sorted to clear up these misunderstandings. He is NOT a bad guy by any means and I myself knowing his position incourage others to be willing to work with this individual . Adam and I are talking as friends and will continue to do so. Thank you for reviewing these postings and once again I would like to incourage the Admin and Mod team to delete this thread if they feel the need too.

 

[LauraB]

Finally, please accept this as constructive criticism

That statement was in regard to your writing style only...with the exception of your post above, your posts are difficult to read, follow and yes...sound like the Nigerian scammers. Emails could be misconstrued and misunderstood.
I never intimated you were (a scammer), and everyone knows you are not. I also never intimated either of you were bad, dishonest or otherwise dishonorable. I only pointed out that there could be other reasons Adam didn't follow through with the deal ...

The animals were paid in full period by me and deposits only were accepted pending the cities completion by a respected and well known USA Broker

Yes, I know you paid in full...I acknowledged that Adam's decision to not fulfill the commitment and not refund your $ immediately was not right. Does that mean you are not the Broker? Sorry, I misunderstood .. I thought you were the US Broker for your UK connections.

The reptile rescue mission was set to provide good homes free of charge of healthy animals that can not be looked after anymore ( And has been proved effective).

Yes, you state that on your Craigslist ad...and I did give you kudos for that. It's a very commendable mission, deserving of praise.

The USA Price sheet is wrong period for having different levels of pricing and I have made the recommendation for it to be removed way before your little comment

And yet, it was still there earlier today. Again, I must have misunderstood as I thought YOU were Tampa Bay Exotics, and since it is a TBExotics home page, forum, chat and price lists, I assumed you had control over the content. Guess not. Sorry. Again, it it possible that someone might reneg (right or wrong) on a deal based on what they might
find doing a little research.

Your the one provoking a attitude but after seeing your profolio in certain areas, its truly is not shocking

Nah, my intention was not to provoke an attitude, but to point out there may have been other reasons (right or wrong) that Adam renegged on the deal. It still wasn't cool of him to do so, but just maybe ...
As for my "profolio". I wasn't aware that I have any portfolios anywhere online, so I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Both the American Breeders are making money in addition the United Kingdom Reptile Community is saving money and your comments nor your posting will effect that by any means.

You're absolutely correct. My posting will not affect that by any means. My opinions are my own, just as are your own.

I'm happy you and Adam are working out the situation...I already said that.
Keep up the good work with the rescue.

 

[UK_Reptile_Distributors]

Overall Laura, I respect your last posting. The website is in full control of my fiancee. I do most of the other side of things. My website design skills are very limited in all honesty. Regarding the USA Broker and our set British Broker out of Scotland, these great individuals in the Reptile World are working on Cities for both Countries. I payed more money to get the very best brokers involved with these shipments and I would never myself work without them backing the shipments at any givin time. The individual governments is something not to mess with and experience in shipments is a MUST. Adam is a good individual and I do feel for him on the issues that has taken place. I have near 450 members on our website, and I have every intention to clear things in full with Adam within the TBExotics Reptiles Community.

 

[adamirwin]

Rick Leverock sent me $500 on may17 for albino boa#1 on may 22 he sent me 1,900 for albinos 2,3,4,5 the payment was short $100. on may 28 he sent me 1,000 for 1 woma and half the payment for 6 het for albino boas. On june 15 he sent me $520, $500 was the other half for the 6 hets and $20 for the remaining $100 owed on albino #5. On july 9 he sent the remaining $80 on albino #5. From may 28 until july 9 I sent 2-3 emails trying to find out when he would pay the rest of the money, and he never replied so I started to feel uncomfortable doing business with him. He would also call 2-3 times a day to tell me that he might have a buyer and might have the money to send He called me day after day. I asked him to contact me thru e-mail instead. Also he had an unconfirme appartment address he wanted me to ship to. My shipping protection rights thru paypal would have been void. I just didn't feel comfortable shipping to him. On july 10 I refunded all $4,000 in to $2,000 dollar payments because my credt card has a 2,000 limit on it. I had to use my Mothers credit card fot the other $2,000. He is paid back in full and we have talked about it and both understand and hold no herd feelings. We both hope to do business in the futer and build up a comfortable relation ship.

Adam Irwin