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Info Adam Tawfeek & Jesus Blackman Rojas
- Thread starter SERPENTS DEN
- Start date
dhaisten
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While I certainly would not want to put a snake with a respiratory infection or stomatitis near any other snakes, unless the cause was viral I would not think it to be overly contagious (such as an airborne virus). From my limited experience the pathogens from both bacterial R.I. and stomatitis are typically facultative and already present in the mouths and water dishes of our captive snakes. When a snake becomes immunocompromised due to incorrect humidity (such as in the case of a green tree python), filthy conditions, or lowered temperatures, etc. the bacteria already present can result in the above conditions. The deceased male ball python could have been saved with a trip to the veterinarian (if a good veterinarian) the moment the symptoms started. Home remedies rarely work in my opinion and the correct antibiotics after determining resistance with a culture and sensitivity test is something I never falter on in the event I suspect a respiratory infection. This snake could have been saved for a little under 200.00. Randomly injecting an antibiotic such as enrofloxicin would not have been a good idea.
This is why I personally would never ever do a breeding loan as snakes can get ill from breeding and if this happens I would rather it happen in my house than anywhere else.
The rest of this thread is moot. I think Adam's animals should have been given back to him upon demand, and then he could have been watched to see if anything went up for sale if he was not to be trusted. True, a quick transaction locally would not have been something that could be monitored, but local craigslist "adoptions" (no cheapo on craigslist would be able to afford these snakes without trying to knock the price down), here, and KS are all easily monitored.
Breeding loans are just a bad bad idea unless between the best of friends. And even then, if a snake is going to die from the breeding season it had better be from my hands.
Reading all of this, the snake definitely could have been saved, and an agreement between the participating parties could have been reached to do this.
Adam clearly does not have a lot of experience with working with these animals and perhaps snakes in general, but not sure why Steve would want to do a breeding loan with someone that does not have a lot of experience and then get upset when that person wants their animals back.
Paying for meds is a good offer, not sure why the snake was not taken to the vet.
I would have to say that the snake did get ill from the breeding season and for no other reason. That would be my guess.
All of Steve's animals do look very healthy though, but this is not a transmission issue, it is just already present bacteria becoming pathenogenic in a compromised animal. So what everybody else looks like doesn't matter. You can have the most awesome healthy pythons in the world and when things are cooled for breeding somebody might get an R.I.
By the time bubbles are happening that is late late in the game. The trick is to catch things before they reach death's door. One month is a reasonable amount of time for something to have happened prior. It does not have to be immediate.
I do not think anyone is liable for the price of this male, but both should have been liable for the vet bill and the snake should have went. The advice from Steve to go to the vet immediately was advice not to be ignored, but again, both parties should have split this. Split the babies, split the vet bills for breeding. Of course, snake dead in the borrowers facility=replacement if healthy after quarantine.
That is my two cents on the matter.
Not really sure why this whole thing is on here though to see who is right and who is wrong.
Breeding loans, as stated above, are just lame.
Breeding ball pythons is all the rage, but give me a plain ordinary chondro over an Enchi-rito any day. Hamsters have cool coat colors too.
What happens with all the lower end ball pythons that can live 40 years plus when nobody wants them?
This is why I personally would never ever do a breeding loan as snakes can get ill from breeding and if this happens I would rather it happen in my house than anywhere else.
The rest of this thread is moot. I think Adam's animals should have been given back to him upon demand, and then he could have been watched to see if anything went up for sale if he was not to be trusted. True, a quick transaction locally would not have been something that could be monitored, but local craigslist "adoptions" (no cheapo on craigslist would be able to afford these snakes without trying to knock the price down), here, and KS are all easily monitored.
Breeding loans are just a bad bad idea unless between the best of friends. And even then, if a snake is going to die from the breeding season it had better be from my hands.
Reading all of this, the snake definitely could have been saved, and an agreement between the participating parties could have been reached to do this.
Adam clearly does not have a lot of experience with working with these animals and perhaps snakes in general, but not sure why Steve would want to do a breeding loan with someone that does not have a lot of experience and then get upset when that person wants their animals back.
Paying for meds is a good offer, not sure why the snake was not taken to the vet.
I would have to say that the snake did get ill from the breeding season and for no other reason. That would be my guess.
All of Steve's animals do look very healthy though, but this is not a transmission issue, it is just already present bacteria becoming pathenogenic in a compromised animal. So what everybody else looks like doesn't matter. You can have the most awesome healthy pythons in the world and when things are cooled for breeding somebody might get an R.I.
By the time bubbles are happening that is late late in the game. The trick is to catch things before they reach death's door. One month is a reasonable amount of time for something to have happened prior. It does not have to be immediate.
I do not think anyone is liable for the price of this male, but both should have been liable for the vet bill and the snake should have went. The advice from Steve to go to the vet immediately was advice not to be ignored, but again, both parties should have split this. Split the babies, split the vet bills for breeding. Of course, snake dead in the borrowers facility=replacement if healthy after quarantine.
That is my two cents on the matter.
Not really sure why this whole thing is on here though to see who is right and who is wrong.
Breeding loans, as stated above, are just lame.
Breeding ball pythons is all the rage, but give me a plain ordinary chondro over an Enchi-rito any day. Hamsters have cool coat colors too.
What happens with all the lower end ball pythons that can live 40 years plus when nobody wants them?
dhaisten
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But actually, really thinking about it, who is right and wrong in this issue really depends on who approached who for the breeding loan. If Adam approached Steve with the plans of scamming him out of stud fees from the get go, and suggested a breeding loan...
But if Steve approached Adam for this, from the information given, Adam should have been returned his animals immediately upon demand. Not sure why a refusal to do so could have ever been an option.
The female was his, and the male was just a stud. Now if Adam was demanding some of Steve's females be surrendered to him because his male was the stud that could make things more interesting.
Then the male ball python might still be alive, or if not its death would have been entirely upon Adam's shoulders.
Lack of experience resulted in the snakes demise in the end.
If Steve felt he was dealing with someone that did not have a lot of breeding experience and was impatient, it would have been simple to have just returned the animals immediately and shrugged ones shoulders. We all know our own level of expertise, and for those of us that have been working with reptiles for a long time can instantly spot someone who might not have as much experience. My first inclination is to help them with their animals if they ever have any questions, and from those who have more experience than me my inclination is to learn.
Holding and holding somebodies animals that is eager to breed themselves just isn't a good idea.
In the end this snake died.
But if Steve approached Adam for this, from the information given, Adam should have been returned his animals immediately upon demand. Not sure why a refusal to do so could have ever been an option.
The female was his, and the male was just a stud. Now if Adam was demanding some of Steve's females be surrendered to him because his male was the stud that could make things more interesting.
Then the male ball python might still be alive, or if not its death would have been entirely upon Adam's shoulders.
Lack of experience resulted in the snakes demise in the end.
If Steve felt he was dealing with someone that did not have a lot of breeding experience and was impatient, it would have been simple to have just returned the animals immediately and shrugged ones shoulders. We all know our own level of expertise, and for those of us that have been working with reptiles for a long time can instantly spot someone who might not have as much experience. My first inclination is to help them with their animals if they ever have any questions, and from those who have more experience than me my inclination is to learn.
Holding and holding somebodies animals that is eager to breed themselves just isn't a good idea.
In the end this snake died.
SERPENTS DEN
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Adam,
Why would I breed the Mojave before knowing we had an agreement to breed your Pastel Phantom? There’s nothing shady that I started pairing my Mojave Pied with her after especially since I only witnessed one lock she had with your Pastel Phantom. I rather see her lay a viable clutch than to possibly lay slugs or not at all.
It has been my intention to keep our agreement from beginning to end. I didn’t expect you to start demanding your animals back 50 days after I started breeding them; that was not our agreement.
My effort was not to kick you when you’re down it was to get some outside opinions. I would rather have this public than have you talk behind my back telling people a one sided story like you told me about Bob Clark and Gus the other money hungry psycho you tell people about.
What’s funny is you said you would not respond to this thread and because some people want to throw me under the bus and ignore many aspects of our agreement like your cursing me out the your name calling, not taking your snake to a vet and letting it die but I guess that’s okay with a few and suddenly you appear thinking you are in the right looking for everyone to feel sorry for poor Adam who couldn’t hold up his agreement in a breeding loan.
As far as the temperatures you kept that Pastel Phantom the 94 degree basking spot was fine but keeping the ambient temperature 89-90 degrees didn’t leave him much of a retreat to thermo regulate himself.
I may have let you get under my skin before but I’m not going let you get under my skin any longer with your name calling or cursing me out so have fun with that; whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
Since breeding agreements are okay to break, I will give you back your Pastel whenever you want to come pick her up. But I do expect you to keep me up to date with pictures just as I have been doing for you and in the event a clutch is produced our agreement still stands to split the clutch 50/50
Why would I breed the Mojave before knowing we had an agreement to breed your Pastel Phantom? There’s nothing shady that I started pairing my Mojave Pied with her after especially since I only witnessed one lock she had with your Pastel Phantom. I rather see her lay a viable clutch than to possibly lay slugs or not at all.
It has been my intention to keep our agreement from beginning to end. I didn’t expect you to start demanding your animals back 50 days after I started breeding them; that was not our agreement.
My effort was not to kick you when you’re down it was to get some outside opinions. I would rather have this public than have you talk behind my back telling people a one sided story like you told me about Bob Clark and Gus the other money hungry psycho you tell people about.
What’s funny is you said you would not respond to this thread and because some people want to throw me under the bus and ignore many aspects of our agreement like your cursing me out the your name calling, not taking your snake to a vet and letting it die but I guess that’s okay with a few and suddenly you appear thinking you are in the right looking for everyone to feel sorry for poor Adam who couldn’t hold up his agreement in a breeding loan.
As far as the temperatures you kept that Pastel Phantom the 94 degree basking spot was fine but keeping the ambient temperature 89-90 degrees didn’t leave him much of a retreat to thermo regulate himself.
I may have let you get under my skin before but I’m not going let you get under my skin any longer with your name calling or cursing me out so have fun with that; whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
Since breeding agreements are okay to break, I will give you back your Pastel whenever you want to come pick her up. But I do expect you to keep me up to date with pictures just as I have been doing for you and in the event a clutch is produced our agreement still stands to split the clutch 50/50
scrammin
elite predators
If you look back you started with the name calling and cursing back when you first thought I was trying to scams you steve, no ones throwing you under the bus here , you just think your right no matter what and now you see what your outside opinions and that's throwing you under a bus? O I get it it because there all not in your favor.
Then you resort to saying I talk crap about people that aren't even relevant to the matter at hand, real mature steve, and you did try to kick me when I was down, you just stated all things you expected people to get on me for, I let me animal die, I broke our agreement that you tweaked countless times, I cusred you out and called you names. You really need to wake up steve your just mad because people see through you and for what your really about, say what you want about me or what I say about who ever, its all a defense mechanism and a last resort to try and do what you originally set out to do with this thread and that's make me look as bad as you can while you get praised.
I will email you with a day that's good for you and I for me to come get my female pastel het clown.
Then you resort to saying I talk crap about people that aren't even relevant to the matter at hand, real mature steve, and you did try to kick me when I was down, you just stated all things you expected people to get on me for, I let me animal die, I broke our agreement that you tweaked countless times, I cusred you out and called you names. You really need to wake up steve your just mad because people see through you and for what your really about, say what you want about me or what I say about who ever, its all a defense mechanism and a last resort to try and do what you originally set out to do with this thread and that's make me look as bad as you can while you get praised.
I will email you with a day that's good for you and I for me to come get my female pastel het clown.
SERPENTS DEN
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Looking back I see where I mentioned I know when I’m being scammed but it was you who started with the name-calling and started being nasty at which time I lowered myself and returned fire with fire.
Nothing has been tweaked except for you mentioning you didn’t know I was not going to use your Pastel Phantom with my Pied until after you dropped your snakes off which is a lie. Our conversation is here to back up what we both said and although it looks like a lot to read because of the amount of pages it’s only because of all the screenshots I posted but in reality it’s not very time consuming for people to read our emails and facebook messages leading up to this thread.
Before you pick up the female are you in agreement to keep me updated by posting pictures with something to show the true date they were taken and posting them to this thread within a reasonable time at my request?
Are you also in agreement to uphold our agreement in the event she produced a clutch sired by my Clown?
If you agree to that I will post some pictures of your Pastel just prior of you picking her up to start and I will voluntarily keep you updated with pictures of my Mojave with proof of date using my atomic clock that can’t lie regarding the date.
scrammin
elite predators
Whatever you say steve, I'm not going to keep going back and fourth with you, it going no where.
Yes I never once indicated I would not keep you posted on her, nor did I even remotely seem like I would keep 100% of the clutch if there ever is one, I stated countless time's I would send you picture updates and not matter how much we don't see to eye or how we feel about eachother, if there is a clutch it is 50% yours and I will honor that.
I never once came off like I would not, I have stressed it to you many time's that you would be getting 50% of the clutch if we get one. Also just to make you feel better about this I don't want to go back on the option you gave me with stopping the breeding and coming to get her in July, this is what you offered and I agreed so if you would like to stay with that agreement I'm fine with that. Again after I pick her up you will have every bit of info on her status as well as pictures and even video if you would like as well, I'm really not trying to screw you steve as much as you seem to believe otherwise, I would like the same in return in regards to the Mojave female the locked with my pastel phantom that you sent me a picture of when you caught the lock, all I ask for is honesty and 50% of the clutch if she does have one and it is sired by my male.
Let me know if you want to go with this and we can go from there.
Yes I never once indicated I would not keep you posted on her, nor did I even remotely seem like I would keep 100% of the clutch if there ever is one, I stated countless time's I would send you picture updates and not matter how much we don't see to eye or how we feel about eachother, if there is a clutch it is 50% yours and I will honor that.
I never once came off like I would not, I have stressed it to you many time's that you would be getting 50% of the clutch if we get one. Also just to make you feel better about this I don't want to go back on the option you gave me with stopping the breeding and coming to get her in July, this is what you offered and I agreed so if you would like to stay with that agreement I'm fine with that. Again after I pick her up you will have every bit of info on her status as well as pictures and even video if you would like as well, I'm really not trying to screw you steve as much as you seem to believe otherwise, I would like the same in return in regards to the Mojave female the locked with my pastel phantom that you sent me a picture of when you caught the lock, all I ask for is honesty and 50% of the clutch if she does have one and it is sired by my male.
Let me know if you want to go with this and we can go from there.
Fangthane
Tuck Frump!
Just go get the snake. Put this cluster
to rest.
to rest.
SERPENTS DEN
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I agree this thread is going nowhere and I will keep you updated with my Mojave as I’ve already stated.
You’re welcome to come pick up your Pastel at your earliest convenience just shoot me a pm when you're able meet.
You’re welcome to come pick up your Pastel at your earliest convenience just shoot me a pm when you're able meet.
SERPENTS DEN
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Hey Jesus Blackman Rojas, why did you create a profile using a fake name and why did you delete your classified for the Spector you listed under your fake alias?
I'll tell ya, you are quick but you're going to have to make another account because you'll be banned again real soon....lol
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Are you that nieve.....smh.....You must think that you are the only person in PA to have or breed ball pythons. Let me introduce myself since it's obvious that you can't read, and because this will be my last post on this subject. My name is Enrique Vargas and I'm from N.E. Philadelphia. The specter male that you've seen me post for sale on here is also co-owned by me. Jesus had a series of deaths in his family these past months and had placed his snakes up for sale to help cover with some of the funeral costs. Knowing his family I told him to keep his collection, and that I would give it to him, and buy into his collection. This co-ownership is quite popular among dog breeders when a person can't afford the asking price. So it is lowered and an agreement is reached that both the breeder and "keeper" both own the animal. Me and Jesus both agreed that we should get a different male to breed, so we offered him for sale. I find you silly secret squirrel antics laughable at best. You start this thread and it blew up in your face, so you look to lash out at the ones you sought to discredit. Shame on you for not having anything netter to do at 1am. Go drink a cold one or something
I find it hilarious that a so called man who's into abandoning animals, selling venomous to minors, not paying his bills abandoning his kids ect. would EVER think that he even a shred of credibility......Once again Stevo, shame on you....Maybe you should quit breeding balls, and go be a father
SERPENTS DEN
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Trying to change the subject will not justify your means. Being behind on child support is hardly abandoning my children and that is all squared away now. When my animals were illegally taken not abandoned there's a thread they can read, nothing has changed since.
I'm not saying Adam but you on the other hand have proven yourself to be a bad guy and I don't understand why Adam would want to associate himself with you.
I'm not saying Adam but you on the other hand have proven yourself to be a bad guy and I don't understand why Adam would want to associate himself with you.
Dennis Hultman
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Really, we have gone around and around with the fake names Jesus and his brother have been accused of using and the multiple accounts that have been used on this site.
So, I guess he turned over his password to his locked photobucket account to you as well.
All the pictures you have posted have come directly from his photobucket account that is password protected.
That is point One
Point two would be that you know that Jesus is banned from this site. Selling for him is against the terms of this site no-matter the circumstances. So even if you were a legitimate person, you are still breaking the TOS of this site.
Point 3
You started a thread on this site back in January on the behalf of Jesus stating that you were merely a interested third party hoping to help him reclaim some lost funds. That thread was delete because you didn't follow the rules of this site. Doesn't seem like you are merely a third party.
Those seem to be legitimate questions to me.
I'm going to have to agree with you that there is some creditability problems here.
Last point.
You have always used Jesus' photobucket account not just the last few months or six but always.
You are done here.
Focal
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I haven't been really keeping up with the thread, but from what I know of Steve is that he is a no BS kind of guy and has spent countless hours working to uncover the thieves amongst us. Regardless of the other details I have yet to read, any association with Jesus, whether direct or indirect, is reason to cover ones one tail. I would practice avoidance at all costs. I don't know Adam, but hopefully he is confident in the company he keeps, because that plays a major role on your reputation.
beballs
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This whole situation was just completely exploded by this thread. Talk about an over reaction, and immaturity. By no means do i call myself a professional, but when i see a ton of nonsense, i'll call out on it. lol
Yes there was a verbal agreement, and i give a small kudos to Steve for trying to abide by it. Yet when it continues to get more and more complicated by Adam who wanted his animals back, all i can ask is, was all of this worth it? Was holding onto his animals worth the drama, worth the dead snake, and worth the continuous fighting over the matter? I mean come one, talk about someone with the reputation as someone like yourself, and then getting your panties all in a bundle over something like this. Its just immature. I'd rather of given his animals back, and then be on the look out for him putting up ads for the females offspring on KS or Fauna. Or even give him the opportunity to prove himself to be trustworthy. I'm sure then after that measures of posting in the BOI would have been worth it because then there would have been definitive proof that he was just trying to rip you off, or to be faithful to his worth. Yet to simply accuse him of trying to rip you off was calling for problems.
Yes i agree that Adam should have taken his male to the vet ASAP, and good for you Steve for mentioning to do so, and offering to even pay for medication. Its just unfortunate that something like that had happened, and i really do hope it is a lesson learned. When you see something wrong with any animal of yours, Address it. Look up information online, contact other knowledgeable people, but my goodness, to let "mother nature" takes it course? How irresponsible. Especially on a snake that was 2200 dollars.
I'm glad its all finally getting situated, and hopefully, like stated before, its a lesson learned. Yet I really hope it was worth all the trouble to post it on the BOI because from what i've seen, all it has caused, is a loss of business.
Yes there was a verbal agreement, and i give a small kudos to Steve for trying to abide by it. Yet when it continues to get more and more complicated by Adam who wanted his animals back, all i can ask is, was all of this worth it? Was holding onto his animals worth the drama, worth the dead snake, and worth the continuous fighting over the matter? I mean come one, talk about someone with the reputation as someone like yourself, and then getting your panties all in a bundle over something like this. Its just immature. I'd rather of given his animals back, and then be on the look out for him putting up ads for the females offspring on KS or Fauna. Or even give him the opportunity to prove himself to be trustworthy. I'm sure then after that measures of posting in the BOI would have been worth it because then there would have been definitive proof that he was just trying to rip you off, or to be faithful to his worth. Yet to simply accuse him of trying to rip you off was calling for problems.
Yes i agree that Adam should have taken his male to the vet ASAP, and good for you Steve for mentioning to do so, and offering to even pay for medication. Its just unfortunate that something like that had happened, and i really do hope it is a lesson learned. When you see something wrong with any animal of yours, Address it. Look up information online, contact other knowledgeable people, but my goodness, to let "mother nature" takes it course? How irresponsible. Especially on a snake that was 2200 dollars.
I'm glad its all finally getting situated, and hopefully, like stated before, its a lesson learned. Yet I really hope it was worth all the trouble to post it on the BOI because from what i've seen, all it has caused, is a loss of business.