Bad Guy Adam Wysocki - No response

[jglass38]

And I don't see where she or anyone else has stated that this was some huge conspiracy other than you. The second that it was simply posted that there was an issue with him not responding to a few different customers that were owed either money or items you started going off saying that they had to be lying and that he wouldn't purposely avoid them.
Now here it is stated by him that he is sorry and that yes he could have and should have stayed in contact with them and SHOULD have taken care of these issues or at least let the customer's know when he would be able to take care of them, yet CHOSE not to.

No that doesn't sound like a conspiracy, it just sounds like someone that got in over their head and made the wrong decision on a few business transactions. But you biting off everyone's head that had anything to say that wasn't a praise of what a wonderful perfect guy he is and how he hasn't done a single thing wrong is just bs. Get over yourself already

Actually no, that isn't how it went. It was high and mighty rhetoric about what a bad guy he is and how his status sucked people in and made them trust him (paraphrasing here). If it wasn't like that then I would have had no reason to react the way I did. I never once said he did nothing wrong. I asked to see facts and agreed that mistakes were made.

 

[deborahbroadus]

What ia regenates?

You really are high and mighty aren't you, Deb? It's no wonder you are so disliked. Give it a break already and try to get it through your head that there was no conspiracy to cheat someone here. Just a guy who had some personal problems and possibly financial issues and made errors by not communicating properly.

Wow..didn't realize that this was a popularity contest. Isn't that what so many people dislike about the BOI; the fact that they think there are cliques? It's simple, if I say something and someone agrees with ME, then it isn't because they like me, but because maybe the facts put forth by me may be valid or irrefutable.

In your case, it is well known that it is a common practice to attack the ones that are able and willing to be more straightforward in getting to the meat of the issues...in an effort to "scare" them off. Unfortunately, I have visited a couple of forums and saw your modus operani, so it will not work.

The sympathy ploy for Adam also does not work (not for me) I have problems too..we all do. Is Adam supposed to get a free pass simply because he's YOUR friend, or the friend of many? To tell the truth, there's a lot of people that I don't like, but I wouldn't be so crass to say it in return for a post they made (does this make me "High and Mighty?" if it does, you will get your chance to chew me out when I fall).

My like or dislike of a person does not prevent me from havng the ability to read their posts to see if they have valid points. Apparently, in your case it does, or you wouldn't have added that little "zinger".

 

[deborahbroadus]

Actually no, that isn't how it went. It was high and mighty rhetoric about what a bad guy he is and how his status sucked people in and made them trust him (paraphrasing here). If it wasn't like that then I would have had no reason to react the way I did. I never once said he did nothing wrong. I asked to see facts and agreed that mistakes were made.

WHAT??? Reread the post please. It is COMMON knowledge that this is a possibility that Big Name Businesses can trade on their reps for a while and in fact has happened before. Where did I say specifically ADAM? READ the history of the BOI.

If you feel the pinch was about Adam, that's YOUR problem. In fact, I was speaking in general terms.

But this situation does seem to fit, now that you have drawn my attention to it.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Sorry Jamie and Deb but isnt the topic about Mr Wysocki and not about the petty differences in your opinions of each other. While I have snakes from both of you in my collection, at this very moment, I am not proud of it.

Jamie, drop it... Seriously there is no more point in the matter and personal attacks wont score you or anyone points.

Deb, you are just as guilty as Jamie at taking cheap shots towards Jamie as well. If you dont think so, just look at your last post. "In your case, it is well known that it is a common practice to attack the ones that are able and willing to be more straightforward in getting to the meat of the issues...in an effort to "scare" them off. Unfortunately, I have visited a couple of forums and saw your modus operani, so it will not work."

As for My Wysockis communication problems, it happens. But, honestly, do we seriously pass judgement on someone that seems to be trying to do so much for the hobby on so many different levels based on 3 transactions (one not even fully paid for as of yet) with so little proof of any wrong-doing other than not communicating? Dont get me wrong as I think not communicating with customers is a bigtime issue, but what else is he truly guilty of? From what I could tell from the evidence posted (3 items) they didnt even come to a final agreement until March 2010. Where is all the other evidence that was supposed to be posted in THIS thread?

 

[jglass38]

Wow..didn't realize that this was a popularity contest. Isn't that what so many people dislike about the BOI; the fact that they think there are cliques? It's simple, if I say something and someone agrees with ME, then it isn't because they like me, but because maybe the facts put forth by me may be valid or irrefutable.

In your case, it is well known that it is a common practice to attack the ones that are able and willing to be more straightforward in getting to the meat of the issues...in an effort to "scare" them off. Unfortunately, I have visited a couple of forums and saw your modus operani, so it will not work.

The sympathy ploy for Adam also does not work (not for me) I have problems too..we all do. Is Adam supposed to get a free pass simply because he's YOUR friend, or the friend of many? To tell the truth, there's a lot of people that I don't like, but I wouldn't be so crass to say it in return for a post they made (does this make me "High and Mighty?" if it does, you will get your chance to chew me out when I fall).

My like or dislike of a person does not prevent me from havng the ability to read their posts to see if they have valid points. Apparently, in your case it does, or you wouldn't have added that little "zinger".

Don't put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself and if I was going to choose someone to speak for me, it certainly wouldn't be you. Nobody said free pass. How about not treating him like a criminal. Clearly I will never be able to explain this to someone who can't grasp the simplest of concepts. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Don't put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself and if I was going to choose someone to speak for me, it certainly wouldn't be you. Nobody said free pass. How about not treating him like a criminal. Clearly I will never be able to explain this to someone who can't grasp the simplest of concepts. We'll have to agree to disagree.

This is what I grasp:

1. Adam owes debts and has not paid one of them, in fact allowed the largest debt to remain unpaid while he ducked and dodged (of course, because of personal problems and internet issues).

2. Other customers have come forth, and only by coming forth have they been able to get their situations resolved (before posting, they hadn't heard anything from Adam).

3. The excuse of personal problems is OVER USED. I am frankly TIRED of reading about personal problems being an excuse for stealing (sorry..after that length of time, it amounts to stealing in my book).

4. Adam apparently has too many personal problems to respond himself, but has time for shows and the like and building another business where he may be able to get FREE and tax free money.

5. I am not so convinced that the debt will be paid in 6 months, because of prior behavior, and in fact, the OP didn't get a payment plan..why should Adam?

This is what I understand from what I read. I could be way off base.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Sorry Jamie and Deb but isnt the topic about Mr Wysocki and not about the petty differences in your opinions of each other. While I have snakes from both of you in my collection, at this very moment, I am not proud of it.

Jamie, drop it... Seriously there is no more point in the matter and personal attacks wont score you or anyone points.

Deb, you are just as guilty as Jamie at taking cheap shots towards Jamie as well. If you dont think so, just look at your last post. "In your case, it is well known that it is a common practice to attack the ones that are able and willing to be more straightforward in getting to the meat of the issues...in an effort to "scare" them off. Unfortunately, I have visited a couple of forums and saw your modus operani, so it will not work."
As for My Wysockis communication problems, it happens. But, honestly, do we seriously pass judgement on someone that seems to be trying to do so much for the hobby on so many different levels based on 3 transactions (one not even fully paid for as of yet) with so little proof of any wrong-doing other than not communicating? Dont get me wrong as I think not communicating with customers is a bigtime issue, but what else is he truly guilty of? From what I could tell from the evidence posted (3 items) they didnt even come to a final agreement until March 2010. Where is all the other evidence that was supposed to be posted in THIS thread?

I am going to ignore your implication of "cheap shot." But your question of "what else is he truly guilty of" is very telling.

 

[kmurphy]

From what I could tell from the evidence posted (3 items) they didn't even come to a final agreement until March 2010.

I can't see how you can come up with the final agreement on March 2010. All I see then was Adam offering Andrew a payment plan which evidently fell through, as a similar one was offered again on July 8th.

I am not trying to beat Adam up over this but I don't agree with sugar coating it either. Adam has admitted that this is a 2 year old deal and that his communication was less than stellar.

I am looking forward to Andrew's post in 6 months announcing he's been paid in full.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I can't see how you can come up with the final agreement on March 2010. All I see then was Adam offering Andrew a payment plan which evidently fell through, as a similar one was offered again on July 8th.

I am not trying to beat Adam up over this but I don't agree with sugar coating it either. Adam has admitted that this is a 2 year old deal and that his communication was less than stellar.

I am looking forward to Andrew's post in 6 months announcing he's been paid in full.

Agreed!

 

[mikeyt]

Jamie,

I have to agree with Jessica here. Whether Deb is liked or disliked I havent a clue and could really care less. Her points are more then valid just as many others were that have posted here on this thread.

IN your post #175 (sorry I dont know how to highlight ur posts) you said that Adam agreed to pay Andrew back (agreement made in March). This is July, no payment. That makes him a liar to some degree. (intentional or accidental).

In the same post you state that Adam tried to sell the animals locally! Maybe he did. But at the same time just how hard did he try to sell them? Its been posted here that Adam has had a real hard time answering phone calls and emails. Its a little hard to sell an animal when you cant pick up the phone or respond to a potential buyer. (And that is based on my personal experience with Adam lately as I was once a perspective buyer).

You then go onto say "Once they were able to communicate (this is in July)". WHAT ! Was Adams fingers broke? Looks to me that the 3 people on this thread owed money were the only one communicating.

I appreciate the fact that you want to stand by your friend and defend him, but at the same time I think you need to get your head out of your rear and realize that whether intentional or accidental your friend got in over his head and screwed up, and that all these people here are trying to do is get some resolution to their problems.

So I agree with Jess, maybe instead of spending your time coming here to defend him and biting everyones head off, as a friend you should have been on the phone with him asking him to resolve these issues. So yes, get over yourself already.

 

[jglass38]

This is what I grasp:

1. Adam owes debts and has not paid one of them, in fact allowed the largest debt to remain unpaid while he ducked and dodged (of course, because of personal problems and internet issues).

2. Other customers have come forth, and only by coming forth have they been able to get their situations resolved (before posting, they hadn't heard anything from Adam).

3. The excuse of personal problems is OVER USED. I am frankly TIRED of reading about personal problems being an excuse for stealing (sorry..after that length of time, it amounts to stealing in my book).

4. Adam apparently has too many personal problems to respond himself, but has time for shows and the like and building another business where he may be able to get FREE and tax free money.

5. I am not so convinced that the debt will be paid in 6 months, because of prior behavior, and in fact, the OP didn't get a payment plan..why should Adam?

This is what I understand from what I read. I could be way off base.

Keep it going, Deb. The more you post, the more you display what an ass your really are. I'm done with the back and forth, I have more important things to do with the rest of my afternoon. Take care!

 

[Craigh]

I am looking forward to Andrew's post in 6 months announcing he's been paid in full.

Only time will tell and if Andrew or other never came to the BOI "maybe" none of this would of been in the works.. Besides all the bickering in this thread I am glad Adam got in contact with those he owes money and I to look forward to seeing all of this resolved ..

 

[jglass38]

Jamie,

I have to agree with Jessica here. Whether Deb is liked or disliked I havent a clue and could really care less. Her points are more then valid just as many others were that have posted here on this thread.

IN your post #175 (sorry I dont know how to highlight ur posts) you said that Adam agreed to pay Andrew back (agreement made in March). This is July, no payment. That makes him a liar to some degree. (intentional or accidental).

In the same post you state that Adam tried to sell the animals locally! Maybe he did. But at the same time just how hard did he try to sell them? Its been posted here that Adam has had a real hard time answering phone calls and emails. Its a little hard to sell an animal when you cant pick up the phone or respond to a potential buyer. (And that is based on my personal experience with Adam lately as I was once a perspective buyer).

You then go onto say "Once they were able to communicate (this is in July)". WHAT ! Was Adams fingers broke? Looks to me that the 3 people on this thread owed money were the only one communicating.

I appreciate the fact that you want to stand by your friend and defend him, but at the same time I think you need to get your head out of your rear and realize that whether intentional or accidental your friend got in over his head and screwed up, and that all these people here are trying to do is get some resolution to their problems.

So I agree with Jess, maybe instead of spending your time coming here to defend him and biting everyones head off, as a friend you should have been on the phone with him asking him to resolve these issues. So yes, get over yourself already.

Mike,

It seems you also have a comprehension problem. Read my posts. I never defended him. I do take offense at the implication that because someone has financial issues or does a poor job communicating, it makes them a thief and a liar. It's not my place to call and demand that he do anything.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

This is what I grasp:

1. Adam owes debts and has not paid one of them, in fact allowed the largest debt to remain unpaid while he ducked and dodged (of course, because of personal problems and internet issues).

Its not proven that he has "debts". Maybe a debt, but I dont see how its plural. Again, the pied was NEVER paid in full and he wasnt in contact with the buyer of the pied.

2. Other customers have come forth, and only by coming forth have they been able to get their situations resolved (before posting, they hadn't heard anything from Adam).

It is possible that he overlooked the T-shirts although, I do tend to agree with you regarding this point. Again, the pied was not yet paid in full so the only issue was his serious lack of communication.

3. The excuse of personal problems is OVER USED. I am frankly TIRED of reading about personal problems being an excuse for stealing (sorry..after that length of time, it amounts to stealing in my book).

4. Adam apparently has too many personal problems to respond himself, but has time for shows and the like and building another business where he may be able to get FREE and tax free money.


5. I am not so convinced that the debt will be paid in 6 months, because of prior behavior, and in fact, the OP didn't get a payment plan..why should Adam?

This is what I understand from what I read. I could be way off base.

Deb, do you find it odd that the only "correspondence" and proof that we have been shown is ONE email from March 2010 to last week. Dont you think there MIGHt be some underlying issues here? I mean, the March 2010 email stated, at that point, that the OP wanted a refund. Why two years later and all of a sudden. Where is the rest of the proof that My Wysocki wasnt working on some sort of resolution with the OP.

I mean if this is what the BOI considers proof that someone is guilty as accused, what purpose does it serve? The only thing I see him guilty of is a serious lack of communication. I guess we all choose our sides and what denotes proof to us but this is the most ridiculous thread considering what proof has been posted. Just because it may or may not be on some other forum, I thought that was never accepted in the BOI. I suppose I am wrong, yet again.

Then again, isnt the OP guilty of the same thing since he only showed that he emailed him one time from March 2010 until now? If it were my 5000.00, I can guarantee that there would be proof that I emailed the seller at least once a week, if not more. So much for a timeline eh.

 

[aleria]

You know I think a few too many people here aren't even taking into account what the title of this thread even is...
It says No Response, that is what was being announced and debated here by the 3 people with an issue.
It wasn't that anyone stated he was a thief, or even lying. Those with issues stated that they had been unable to get a hold of him by any means and he was not contacting them after extended periods of time in regards to items owed or orders currently in process.
That is where the problem was and that was all that was stated. For every other thread out there where someone stated that they had an order with someone and communication suddenly dropped and they were unable to reach the person no matter how they tried to contact them, was it really that unusual for everyone to question why the seller wasn't bothering to get in contact with his customers and attempt to get the seller to at least let those customers know why they weren't completing the deals?
I mean I just don't see where "everyone" is calling him a liar and thief. They all simply wanted to know why he seemed to drop all communication with his customers that currently had deals in the works while still putting so much into a new venture and travelling around to shows, etc.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

You know I think a few too many people here aren't even taking into account what the title of this thread even is...
It says No Response, that is what was being announced and debated here by the 3 people with an issue.
It wasn't that anyone stated he was a thief, or even lying. Those with issues stated that they had been unable to get a hold of him by any means and he was not contacting them after extended periods of time in regards to items owed or orders currently in process.
That is where the problem was and that was all that was stated. For every other thread out there where someone stated that they had an order with someone and communication suddenly dropped and they were unable to reach the person no matter how they tried to contact them, was it really that unusual for everyone to question why the seller wasn't bothering to get in contact with his customers and attempt to get the seller to at least let those customers know why they weren't completing the deals?
I mean I just don't see where "everyone" is calling him a liar and thief. They all simply wanted to know why he seemed to drop all communication with his customers that currently had deals in the works while still putting so much into a new venture and travelling around to shows, etc.

Jessica,

You make a very valid point here however, where is the proof that the OP was even trying to contact him to begin with? All I saw was one email, in March 2010, that the OP stated he wanted a refund in leu of animals and then one other email from the same person asking where he was.

Again, I dont know either party so I dont really care about whos saying what. All I care about is the proof. My problem is, when someone posts a BOI thread, arent they supposed to post the proof to go along with their stated accusation? Is this what the BOI has become, no proof to go along with the accusation?

And, not to give the guy anymore "excuses" but between March and now, its a really busy time of the year with all the Ball Python breedings that are happening. If this is as big as it sounds like he is, I can see how he doesnt communicate well right now. Do I agree with it, no but I understand it. Do I think he was avoiding the 5000.00 debt at the moment, sure but again, he may have had good reason(s) other than what we have been shown as proof.

As for people seeing him and talking to him at shows, its not really relevant as its just hearsay anyhow. I would expect that Mr Wysocki would respond to his personal banking info was posted on the net though.

For me, I am not defending the guy. I just want to see the proof that really says this person is doing something wrong, other than avoiding the OP and having a serious lack of communication. To be honest, with the serious lack of proof, we SHOULD be on the accused side until such proof has been proven otherwise.

 

[DaveyFig]

I understand that Adam has had some personal problems. However, I don't see how that is the buyer's problem. Since Adam does not have the money to pay back all at once, I assume he spent the money. In essence, he has been loaned money for two years while the buyer waited for repayment or animals. Is it common practice to spend the money before the buyer has the animals in hand and is satisfied? I am owed $200 from a deal I made with someone else over 2 years ago. He had some personal problems too. I have had my own personal problems in that time though and could have used that money many times. I wish I had it now, but the guy just hit another rough patch and I am guessing I wont be paid at all.
In my opinion the OP deserves his money back with consideration given to the difference in exchange rates over the past 2 years, and possibly interest.

 

[lanceheads]

"Keep it going, Deb. The more you post, the more you display what an ass your really are. I'm done with the back and forth, I have more important things to do with the rest of my afternoon. Take care!"

Alright Jamie, we get that you don't like Deborah, but enough with the personal, childish insults.

Randal Berry

 

[kmurphy]

You make a very valid point here however, where is the proof that the OP was even trying to contact him to begin with? All I saw was one email, in March 2010, that the OP stated he wanted a refund in leu of animals and then one other email from the same person asking where he was.

I don't know Dean. Given the time line of Andrew's posts in search of Adam on other forums, this would have to be an pretty elaborate ruse is he wasn't in fact having difficulty reaching Adam. Not to mention that Adam mentions his lack of communication in his email.

 

[TheDream]

I completely agree with Dave Giltner. Whether or not there are any emails or correspondence available that the OP has not posted, one thing is for sure; Adam spent the funds given before a.) shipping any animals and seeing that the buyer has been saitisfied. b.) working out some sort of refund ort tradeoff at the time seeing that shipping was not feasible. Instead Adam possibly used the money up for "personal problems" and then found himself not able to repay the OP, and now the personal problems of Adam have become a personal problem of the OPs.

I am always happy to hear when a solution is in the works to becoming resolved, however I also believe in consideration for what the OP has gone through in these past two years and believe that repayment of the original amount and something extra as an apology and to save face should be in the works.