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African Fat Tailed X Leopard Geckos

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Can these two cross breed?
Does anyone have any pictures?

I myself would love to find this out and make a few hybrids myself not for the money but for the science of it, luckily they are about the same size, same diet and pretty much the same geckos (ie: closely related) and from what I gather the care is almost the same, except for humidity.

I would of course only breed them once, and keep there offspring as they would end up being sold for something they were not, rather than being sold as something they are down the road.
 
DeadIrishD said:
It wont hurt to try I guess.
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I believe Albeys Too Cool Reptiles had or still has subspecies of leopard geckos. If you look at his snow line for the best of 2002 on his webpage you'll see a subspecies snow or two. I would shoot him an email and ask him this question directly and see what he has to say about it.

Perhaps it can be done, and I really didn't mean to imply its impossible as I truly do not know. It just doesn't seem possible to me when I've never seen a cross of what you're describing available or listed anywhere in the 20 or so years I've been a hobbyist. If it can be done..then for some reason no one seems very enthusiastic about posting the results of their success.

A few times when I was a kid my father told me I was a cross between a jackass and a squirrel. I did stupid things and ran like hell all over the place when he tried to catch me to kick my ass. :)
 
critical bill said:
I believe Albeys Too Cool Reptiles had or still has subspecies of leopard geckos. If you look at his snow line for the best of 2002 on his webpage you'll see a subspecies snow or two. I would shoot him an email and ask him this question directly and see what he has to say about it.

Perhaps it can be done, and I really didn't mean to imply its impossible as I truly do not know. It just doesn't seem possible to me when I've never seen a cross of what you're describing available or listed anywhere in the 20 or so years I've been a hobbyist. If it can be done..then for some reason no one seems very enthusiastic about posting the results of their success.

A few times when I was a kid my father told me I was a cross between a jackass and a squirrel. I did stupid things and ran like hell all over the place when he tried to catch me to kick my ass. :)
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So then, you're either a jack-el or and you must forgive the slight misspelling to come, and ass-squire.

AHAhahahahahahAHAHAHAHAhahhahHAHAhahahaha ass squire, that's a good one, ahahhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHHAHHAhaha
 
Wilomn said:
So then, you're either a jack-el or and you must forgive the slight misspelling to come, and ass-squire.

AHAhahahahahahAHAHAHAHAhahhahHAHAhahahaha ass squire, that's a good one, ahahhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHHAHHAhaha
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You hurt my feelings just like my father. May I call you Papa? :bawling:
 
Wilomn said:
PapaSir to you sonnyjim.
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Wow...I cant believe you called me "sonnyjim". How did you now I was listening to tunes from that music artist today? I actually played some tunes of his in your honor during my Wesfest 2005 sit out when you were so wrongfully banned.

Pardon me while I go listen to my other favorite band...Cheapshot...errrrr I mean Cheaptrick.

So I know this makes sense to you, considering we may both have different tastes in music, did you mean sonnyjim in some other way, PapaSir? ;)
 
critical bill said:
I believe Albeys Too Cool Reptiles had or still has subspecies of leopard geckos. If you look at his snow line for the best of 2002 on his webpage you'll see a subspecies snow or two. I would shoot him an email and ask him this question directly and see what he has to say about it.

Perhaps it can be done, and I really didn't mean to imply its impossible as I truly do not know. It just doesn't seem possible to me when I've never seen a cross of what you're describing available or listed anywhere in the 20 or so years I've been a hobbyist. If it can be done..then for some reason no one seems very enthusiastic about posting the results of their success.

A few times when I was a kid my father told me I was a cross between a jackass and a squirrel. I did stupid things and ran like hell all over the place when he tried to catch me to kick my ass. :)
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but look at how many assholes are out there as well, who belive that hybrids are produced, are ONLY to make money, and all should be killed, and the breeders should also be treated like crap due to their beliefs.

although noone has yet said that to me on here, so to the forum as a whole thank you for respecting this ? even if you dont agree with it.

lol your dad seems like my whole family... tad bit on the redneck side? LOL
 
DeadIrishD said:
but look at how many assholes are out there as well, who belive that hybrids are produced, are ONLY to make money, and all should be killed, and the breeders should also be treated like crap due to their beliefs.

although noone has yet said that to me on here, so to the forum as a whole thank you for respecting this ? even if you dont agree with it.
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The only reason I could see that you'd catch any flack is that theres a big difference between breeding similar species that may naturally overlap each other in range, that naturally occur in nature, and what your suggesting you'd like to produce.
 
DeadIrishD said:
Can these two cross breed?
Does anyone have any pictures?

I myself would love to find this out and make a few hybrids myself not for the money but for the science of it, luckily they are about the same size, same diet and pretty much the same geckos (ie: closely related) and from what I gather the care is almost the same, except for humidity.

I would of course only breed them once, and keep there offspring as they would end up being sold for something they were not, rather than being sold as something they are down the road.
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On Topic. :)

It's been rumored that Ron's "Giants" are actually a hybrid with another gecko. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible if you had a willing pair. :)
 
People have tried, but I don't think anyone had been successful.

As far as Ron goes, the rumor is he crossed with a sub-species. There is a similar theory for the Mack snows. That's a far cry from trying to cross with a completely different species, let alone a totally different genus!

PS....

Leopard gecko = Eublepharis macularius
Fat-Tailed gecko = Hemitheconyx caudicinctus
 
look at kings, milks, and corns all three can breed together.

They can breed together, but the eggs are never fertile, but isnt this the same thing that was thought about pythons as well?
 
DeadIrishD said:
look at kings, milks, and corns all three can breed together.

They can breed together, but the eggs are never fertile, but isnt this the same thing that was thought about pythons as well?
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Wherever it is you have gotten this information from is not a place I would recommend you go back to if you're looking for accuracy.

There have been many many many kings and corns and milks interbred and thier offspring have also been fertile.
 
If Wes hadn't of pointed it out, I would have. :)

Corn x King = Jungle (and Jungles do produce viable offspring)

Pantherophis guttata (cornsnake)
[or Elaphe Guttata for those who don't know about the change]
X
Lampropeltis getula (kingsnake)
 
critical bill said:
The only reason I could see that you'd catch any flack is that theres a big difference between breeding similar species that may naturally overlap each other in range, that naturally occur in nature, and what your suggesting you'd like to produce.
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i agree. I personally like the breeding of GTP's X Carpet's and the product, "Carpondros"( reminds me of those "Puggles" and "Labradoodles"). While one other that, Visually is stunning, The "Super Ball".. BloodxBall Python, i dont entirely agree with it, its just not natural but i will freely admit its one cool looking hybrid.

Though like the others said as well, if you havent seen it by now it probably, cant be done. Never say never though right?

the one problem i have with people producing hybrids is they price them WAY too high. a Ball Python Normal Male is what. 50 bucks at most normally? and a Blood, maybe 100 or so? so why on EARTH would you charge more than, maybe 200 bucks for this animal?! I mean, i guess its because they dont want people breeding them and such ( i dont know if theyre even fertile) but still, i just think its a little crazy to be pricing these animals so high. :) just my .2.
 
Genera and species divisions are to a certain degree arbitrary, humans have a need to classify things. There are no set standards of how unrelated animals have to be before they merit their own species or genus. Comparing the situation with kings and corns to leos and fattails may not be analogous. Kings and corns co-exist on the same continent, they may have diverged from a common ancestor more recently. Leos and fattails exist on different continents they may have diverged from a common ancestor a lot earlier. This would give them more time to evolve and differentiate and accumulate changes that would bar reproduction between the two species. I've heard of numerous breedings between leos and fattails, but never a fertile egg. In addition to genetic incompatibilities, there may also be physiological factors that would prevent fertilization. One can experiment as was suggested, but with the numerous past attempts and the fact that these guys will readily copulate, if it were possible, I think we'd have seen it by now.

-Alice
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
i agree. I personally like the breeding of GTP's X Carpet's and the product, "Carpondros"( reminds me of those "Puggles" and "Labradoodles"). While one other that, Visually is stunning, The "Super Ball".. BloodxBall Python, i dont entirely agree with it, its just not natural but i will freely admit its one cool looking hybrid.
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I'm curious what is natural about the "Carpondro" ??? You say you are for it, but not the Super Ball. I see them both as abominations personally. Not to start an argument, but anything other than a natural intergrade was just not meant to naturally be.

This would include the Fat Tail x Leopard cross IMHO. I can see where ones scientific curiousity would lead one to try something once for educational documentation, but to put on the market IMO is not really that cool of a thing to do. (Not directed at the author)

Just My $0.025
Rick
 
DeadIrishD said:
look at kings, milks, and corns all three can breed together.

They can breed together, but the eggs are never fertile, but isnt this the same thing that was thought about pythons as well?
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They can breed, and Corn snakes can breed with alot more than those few species. I often regard corn snakes as a blank snake because they can breed with so many snakes and produce viable offspring.
 
It is possible to breed the two, but the eggs will either not develop or will not be healthy hatchlings. The humidity difference is the main problem with the offspring of a Leopard x Fat Tail. I have attempted to breed a normal and normal and the eggs were fertile at first but did not fully develop. A friend of mine had about the same thing happen with her attempt, also.
 
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