I would like to sell or trade these animals I would rather not ship so you would have to be in or near Wisconsin. The African Rock is handlable and eating small to medium frozen thawed rats she is squirmy when fist taken out of her cage but settles down niceley I have had her since summer and she is about 3 to 3 1/2 feet in length. The Sulcata I believe is a male and eating Tortoise chow and lots of greens Romaine lettuce Collard greens and Fruits he is about 15 to 16 inches or possibly bigger very friendly and curious would prefer sale but will consider trades let me know what you have . I can meet at a streamwood show or Iam going to Lacrosse Wisconsin this weekend so I could work something out if need be. Or call Tony at 262- 339 - 7276 call anytime