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albino snows

Paul, yes, Urbans are indeed dominant. Theyre a totally different morph however than any other snows. Theyre axanthic, no yellow pigment. I don't know if other snows function the same way, except maybe super mack snows. Most of the snows I've seen have some form of yellow regardless. Something I find interesting is that TUG never has any on their available page however....very odd....
 
I shared this idea with Kelli...

Uhhh... I have thought this was the case for some time. I think it is the case also with the Hypo Carrot Tails as well.

Now, here is an interesting twist to all of this. I have been producing Mack Super Snows by breeding a Super Snow male to "Line Bred" Snow females. The origin of the Line Bred Snow females (these belong to Cody @ Pro Geckos BTW) are ALbey/A-1

Personally, I believe the "Gem" Snows to be the same thing as the Mack Snows, but I could be wrong. I have 3 clutches so far incubating from Mack Snow X Gem Snow. The first clutch is due to hatch in just a few days. I will reprt back with what hatches.
 
KelliH said:
Uhhh... I have thought this was the case for some time. I think it is the case also with the Hypo Carrot Tails as well.

Now, here is an interesting twist to all of this. I have been producing Mack Super Snows by breeding a Super Snow male to "Line Bred" Snow females. The origin of the Line Bred Snow females (these belong to Cody @ Pro Geckos BTW) are ALbey/A-1

Personally, I believe the "Gem" Snows to be the same thing as the Mack Snows, but I could be wrong. I have 3 clutches so far incubating from Mack Snow X Gem Snow. The first clutch is due to hatch in just a few days. I will reprt back with what hatches.

Now that is interesting!! I can't wait to hear about your breeding results.
 
I have been producing Mack Super Snows by breeding a Super Snow male to "Line Bred" Snow females. The origin of the Line Bred Snow females (these belong to Cody @ Pro Geckos BTW) are ALbey/A-1

I guess i'll have to get me some mack snows and test that theory out on mine.

I do not believe mine are mack snows at all.. i have never seen anything close resembling the mack super snow come from them.. just as i explained is what i got.

just food for thought...

Maybe there is some kind of genetic linkage somewherein the various snow lines.. i mean take a look at the Leucy ball pythons.. there are 2-3 different ways to achieve the blue eyed leucy.

maybe there is no super form in my line of snows(however i think there is) . if that was the case , is it all that bad.. look at the spider balls. they are co-dominant and they have been around for years and no super forms seems to exist for those. maybe there is its just subtle not as noticeable.


I will get some pics of the other snows from last and are part of this years breeders.
 
Here is albino snow #3 and her clutchmate
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here is a rather dull snow (from this year)
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here are some nicer looking ones (from this year)
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here are some of the breeders (pic taken last year, born in '04)
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here is an original snow female of mine
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Snows

Just my two cents worth...

I think there is a large variety of line-bred snows and like the SHTCT, the quality and color varies. Many will yellow to some degree as they get older and bigger, but I have some that have stayed true snow as does Albey. I don't think that makes them a dominant line as they would probably produce pastel or yellowish colored offspring if bred to the SHTCT, for example. I would venture to guess the same would be true regarding TUG's "dominant" snows. And, you're correct, in that I've never seen any of the nice "dominant" snows for sale on TUG, just lower quality offspring which makes me question just how dominant their line of breeders are. I'm not trying to flame Craig, just don't know much about where his snows came from, and how mcuh he's outcrossed them to prove out the dominance in the line. Maybe he's keeping his nicer hatchlings? I dunno.

An albino snow. Now, that IS cool. Nice pictures, too. Wow!

I have bred snows for the past few years, and some I have gotten from Albey, and some of my early snows I bought from Danny Joiner of JustGeckos -- I don't think he's breeding/selling herps anymore. It's interesting because, from what I remember, A-1 is where Danny and Albey both got many of their snows. I took one of the snow females I bought from Danny -- she's a snow but is more hypermelanisitc in appearance, and oddly enough, she has what looks like a stripe pattern down her back. I bred her with a leucistic male that I had purchased several years ago from ProExotics and produced two snow colored females. They were alot less hypermelanistic than their mother and showed more snow. I then took one of the females this year and mated her with my Super snow male and produced two Super snow hatchlings. Both were born sickly, malformed or premature, I'm not sure which, but both died within the first couple of weeks. One thing I am sure of, though, is that they were Supers. They looked lkind of like Blizzard babies but they had all black eyes. I suspect somewhere in the genetics of the Super, there is a common thread with that of the leucistic and the Blizzard. I also suspect the Super is a very in-bred morph. By that, what I mean is that the bloodline is weak from a lot of in-breeding, which I believe results in a smaller, frailer strain -- lot's of defects, sickly, etc. I've heard from other breeders who have experienced similar problems with Super x Super breeding. The challenge will be getting new blood bred into the Super to strengthen the bloodline.

I also have been working on a few project snows (one female and two males)from Albey that were the result of breeding a line-bred snow female with a large Fasciolatus snow male. These have the potential to be a bigger strain of snow. One of my males is 100 grams, has some pastel and white coloring, while the other nicer looking male is 85 grams and all snow and the female is 76 grams and all snow. All are about 8 months old.

If anyone would like to see pictures of any of the geckos I've mentioned above, please let me know ([email protected])

Tony
 
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