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Bad Guy Alex Conover AKA ACdabeast- flipping rescue snakes

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So this guy had a female pewter ball python posted last night and I had inquired about it. He said it was bred by his "underground" breeder friend and that he had had it since it was a hatchling. The snake looked very familiar to me and I had realized that I had seen that same female pewter bp on Craigslist lehigh valley, pa classifieds as I was browsing for racks and stackable cages. I did inquire about the snake figuring that as long as the poster had verification on its origins, it may end up being a good find. Turns out this pewter was a rescue that had been brought in by the poster underweight and with an RI. She told me that she had treated the snake for the RI through vet visits and antibiotics, and that being a rescue, there was no way to know its origins. I politefully passed on the snake, as I could never think of using a rescue as a breeder, nor would I want to pay the $300 price for a pet only snake, even a nice pewter.

So I saw the posting by Alex Conover last night, probably between 10:30-11:00. I was suspicious upon inquiring, but his replies made me even more suspicious. I sent an e-mail to the woman who had posted the snake on Craigslist, and made her aware of my suspicions. Turns out, Alex Conover had picked up the pewter from her around 8:00 last night and had it posted for sale before 11:00 pm. He did pull the ad, and sent me a pm this morning stating that he is going to keep the snake until it's back up to proper weight, and that when he puts her back up for sale, I'd be the first to know.

I am posting this to make people aware of how this guy is operating. I do not believe in breeding rescues at all, and I certainly do not believe in buying a rescue, turning around and trying to sell it without proper quarantine procedures, and then lying about its history on top of it all. I would say this guy should be avoided. This is obviously not just poor judgement on Alex Conover's part, but rather a complete lack of ethics and care for the snake and potential buyers. He posted the snake as a 'future breeder' and then in his responses, outright lied about where he came across it. I was also informed that he promised the woman he got it from to NEVER breed it or sell it. Just be wary of any future potential dealings with Alex Conover, AKA ACdabeast, of Maple Shade, NJ.
 
I have e-mail correspondence with the woman he purchased the pewter from, I would need to contact her to see if she is ok with me posting the e-mails...if not, I'd be happy to share them with someone privately, preferably a mod, with her consent. It may have to wait till tomorrow, as all my e-mails are on my vzw account and I would have to forward them to my hotmail, which at this time would do me no good anyway as I'm posting from my phone as I don't have a working computer right now. Same goes for screen shots, plus he pulled the ad maybe around midnight last night. Trust me, I would not make such inflammatory remarks about someone I don't even know and have never dealt with if I could not back it up. It's just a matter of me getting to a working computer, which I haven't had in over a year, as I do everything from my phone. I do also have the pm conversation with Alex Conover saved.
 
Isn't this all based on 3rd party info if you're not willing to even say who the "woman" is?? Have no e-mails to show between you and Alex Conover? No screen shots of the ad?
 
Matt, I e-mailed the woman in question asking if she is ok with me sharing our correspondence. I also stated that I have my pm correspondence with Alex Conover saved and that I would need to get to a working computer to post it, being that I would have no idea how to copy and paste them to this thread from my phone. I may be able to use my brother's computer shortly to do so. I just wanted to get the ball rolling in case this guy intended on posting the same snake again. I have no idea who Alex Conover is, but based on my findings, he is trying to pull some shady stuff. I will post everything I have when I can and when the woman gives me consent to do so. I personally find someone trying to pawn off a rescue case(of any sort of animal) as a future breeder to be one of the lowest things one can do. Again, when I am able, I will happily post everything I have. If someone could tell me how to copy and paste from a Blackberry, I'd be more than happy to at least post my pm conversation with Alex while waiting on the woman to give me the OK to post our e-mail correspondence.
 
Well, I figured out how to copy and paste the page address to mine and Alex's PM conversation, so this should be the link. I will admit that this in of itself proves nothing, but it is just the first step in showing everything I have. I am still waiting to hear from Katie on whether or not she minds if I share my correspondence with her. I will also admit that I was suspicious at first, so I tried directing the pm conversation towards revealing my suspicions.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=989768
 
RobNJ said:
Matt, I e-mailed the woman in question asking if she is ok with me sharing our correspondence. I also stated that I have my pm correspondence with Alex Conover saved and that I would need to get to a working computer to post it,
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I missed this part. Hopefully the woman will give you her blessing and you can share those, too.

Don't get me wrong. I think you're doing the right thing by bringing this to our attention, but only if you have something to show as proof. Otherwise it's "he said, she said".
 
That's odd, it's working for me...maybe it's because it's a link directly into my pm page, I really don't know. Still working from my phone here, so I'll try to copy and paste. Otherwise, my brother will be here any minute, and maybe I can use his computer.
 
RobNJ said:
That's odd, it's working for me...maybe it's because it's a link directly into my pm page, I really don't know. Still working from my phone here, so I'll try to copy and paste. Otherwise, my brother will be here any minute, and maybe I can use his computer.
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It's working for you because, as you said, it's your PM. Without taking a screen shot, the message that everyone else will get is:

Invalid Private Message specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator
 
Ok Matt, thanks, that's what I thought. Anyway, I was able to copy and paste our full pm conversation regarding the pewter. I hope it show OK, as I've never done this from my phone. You should be able to see that I was trying to trap him somewhat, as I was very suspicious before even inquiring about the snake.



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Alex, I will have to pass on the snake whenever you put her back up for sale. My suspicions were confirmed this afternoon, and that snake came from a woman in Pennsylvania last night around 8:00 pm, NOT from an underground breeder friend of yours. She is not skinny because she has been going longer between meals. She is skinny because she is a rescue that came from a home that neglected her, and for the past 6 months has been being brought back to health by the woman you got her from. Your best bet is to keep that snake as a pet ONLY, and not ever sell her or breed her as you had promised the woman you got her from. It is pretty low to try to flip a rescue snake, but to post an ad and answer pm's that completely misrepresent its history is just something you should really be ashamed of. I really wish you the best in becoming a man who can contribute positively to an industry that has enough knocks against it as it is, and not someone who continues to practice shady business.

Rob



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Sorry, I sent the message to myself, so I'm just forwarding it to you.

Rob



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I noticed you pulled the ad, is she gone already? I didn't mean any offense, but like I said, one can never be too sure when buying an expensive snake, which is why I asked for the reference.




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Do you mind providing the name and contact of your breeder friend? I just like to check things out as thoroughly as possible before making a new purchase. I can't seem to place when or where, but I feel like I have recently seen that exact snake elsewhere. Maybe I'm just thinking of something else. But I would really like to contact the producer of this snake just for verification. It just seems odd that someone would be so willing to let a fairly high end, genetically powerful snake go(especially a female) a year before she's ready to breed. And is she 470 grams, or 550 as your post says?

Rob




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Hi, what year is this girl? Where did you purchase her and from whom(breeder, someone downsizing, etc...)? I may be interested, but I certainly need the finer details. My biggest concern is such a small snake losing weight over the winter. None of my females under 1,000 grams have ever gone off feed for any length of time no matter the time of year.


ive had this girl ever since she was a hatch-ling my buddy who is a underground breeder produced her and she has always been a great eater it just this winter she did not go off feed she just would not eat every week more like every 2 weeks or 17 days she only lost a little weight i really should have not put she thined out she just trimmed out she did not gain weight just stayed a steady 470gram she is a 2009.




rob i took the time to think and go over things and i pulled her off the market for right now im going to hold her until she as at the greatest health she can possible have. i was talking with a few friends and she is under weight for a girl of her length so i will return her to the market in a month or 2 when she is looking a little better shame on me to put her up now.


but the reason im so willing to give a girl up was i needed to get my car fixed.. but i also got help from someone and now its not a must to sell the pewter!


When she is back on the market you will be the first i message
 
What is wrong with breeding a rescued animal? If it's healthy, there is no reason not to breed it. That's the same as saying you would never breed a petstore animal. The sulfur was a petstore animal.
Besides, asking $300 for a pewter that has been brought back to health does not seem bad to me. The price is low for a female pewter and if it is healthy, there is nothing wrong with buying it and breeding it.
I think your whole, "I won't breed any rescued animal" statement is way off base.
 
Steve, I just personally don't believe rescues should be bred. That is a personal opinion of mine, and I do not condemn those who do. I think that rescue cases have been through enough stress and should from that point on be pet only. Again, that is my personal opinion.

The true issue here is Alex Conover buying a rescue animal and within hours posting it for sale. He got it for $300, and posted it as 'make offer', which one could assume would bring in considerably higher offers than $300. The snake was sold to him under the premise that it was going to a home, not to bred or resold, and he didn't even wait a full day to post it. I will be showing all of this when I have the woman's blessing to share our correspondence. Alex bought this snake with the very intentions of what the previous owner had specifically asked him NOT to do. By posting it less than 4 hours later, he has shown that proper quarantine is of absolutely no concern to him, his animals, or the animals of a potential buyer. Buy sending me a pm stating that when he decides to sell it again in 1-2 months still shows questionable quarantine procedures, IMO. Again, no offense intended.
 
SPJ said:
What is wrong with breeding a rescued animal? If it's healthy, there is no reason not to breed it. That's the same as saying you would never breed a petstore animal. The sulfur was a petstore animal.
Besides, asking $300 for a pewter that has been brought back to health does not seem bad to me. The price is low for a female pewter and if it is healthy, there is nothing wrong with buying it and breeding it.
I think your whole, "I won't breed any rescued animal" statement is way off base.
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That is for an other thread ,the part where that is relevant here is it appears the person agreed to take the animal from the original owner only if he would not sell/breed it. doing so afther agreeing not to shows the persons character.
 
Thanks Ubaldo, this is what this thread is about. Add in the fact that he blatantly lied about where the snake came from(his 'underground' breeder friend), how long he has had it, and why it is as thin as it is, and you have someone to watch out for on your hands.
 
ozz465 said:
That is for an other thread ,the part where that is relevant here is it appears the person agreed to take the animal from the original owner only if he would not sell/breed it. doing so afther agreeing not to shows the persons character.
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Circumstances change. He may have not wanted to ever sell it but financial trouble (his car) may have caused his original plans to go out the window. Best offer also means less than the $300 asking price.
I can see where he misrepresented the animal and that is not good but to say he is bad for selling a rescue as a potential breeder is not bad. It all depends on how he represents the animal. In this case, he did a bad job of that. He should have been upfront about the animal and his situation. It would have prevented him from getting a negative thread posted that will be here for as long as this site is up.
 
I don't know Steve, I'm not trying to argue with you, and I appreciate you trying to see the flip side, but doesn't it all seem a bit weird? He bought the snake for $300, not advertised it for that. My best guess would be that he bought it knowing it was WELL UNDER market price, and planned on selling it as 'make offer' with a pretty good idea that he'd make out pretty well on it. Would a serious buyer even think to offer only $300 on a 2 year old, 500 gram pewter female without thinking it may be seen as insulting.

As for needing his car fixed and having to sell the snake in order to get it fixed...he picked up the snake around 8 pm last night and before 11 pm had already had an ad up for her?? I'm sorry, but something is seriously wrong with the whole situation. I apologize again Steve, as I'm not trying to argue with you, but I'm just calling this situation as I see it.
 
SPJ said:
Circumstances change. He may have not wanted to ever sell it but financial trouble (his car) may have caused his original plans to go out the window. Best offer also means less than the $300 asking price.
I can see where he misrepresented the animal and that is not good but to say he is bad for selling a rescue as a potential breeder is not bad. It all depends on how he represents the animal. In this case, he did a bad job of that. He should have been upfront about the animal and his situation. It would have prevented him from getting a negative thread posted that will be here for as long as this site is up.
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Could be a good argument but odds are its not. the little time between buying the animal and the sale is a big red flag for me .and to me misrepresenting a animal for sale is something that deserves much criticism for .,
 
its sad when you take the time to post on something that has nothing to do with you? im 100% sure you have no intentions on what i was doing. maybe im a new up and coming breeder and wanted to learn prices and see trade values for a pewter? maybe i just wanted to post to see what cool morphs people were willing to offerfor $hits and giggles...

but then you have people like you that spend nothing but their free time... post about other people? what did this post accomplish in your life? 0 buts thats cool thanks for posting on me cant help but get a good smile from people like you =D

Ps.... you tryed to buy this pewter but i beat you to it shame on you for letting your jealousy get the best of you bro....
 
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