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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

Wow, nothing like making a post at the same time as the subject of this thread does, LOL.

Mr. Belcher, if what you say is true (and I really have no reason to doubt you) then I'm very sorry as it must be terrible to have your name so smeared by another thief (Mr. Blackwell). Your openness and willingness to speak to people regarding these issues is commendable, in my opinion.

Chamco -- I guess in one (big) way I can see what you mean about the negative impact of bringing non-reptile-related issues about a vendor to light. Not so much due to the irrelevance of the original issue, but because of the extreme side-tracking that would and probably will doubtless take place as the accused must defend himself against increasingly less relevant allegations...
 
Dan, an allegation of planned conduct

Which besides having not been a "repeated action", also has not occurred, just to clarify.
It's a free market, we all understand that, but there are certain things that are plain wrong. One thing that "seems" right (dropping the price on his animals to beat the competition that paid for his tables), lead to another that also seemed right (selling animals that were not his and had allegedly damaged his property). This is what some of us see here. Again, it's not about the dirty cages, it's about a repeated pattern of conduct.
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BTW, we all agree that in a "free market", the exercise of such business activities, which had not happened, manage to take care of themselves in short order, if ever actually put into action. They were not "actions" as you identify them, but just the rantings of a disgruntled employee to some of us. So the alleged thought of dropping his prices in a free market economy (in 2006) leads to the theft and sale of cattle in a dispute (2003). You are right, some of you see that here, and some of us don't have that time machine available to us, and can't make that connection under any circumstances.

Yes Nirvana, it becomes a situation that I have little stomach for. In both the Crutchfield thread and the CS thread, I expressed my disdain for bringing in the past misdeeds which had been atoned for. Not to say they don't matter to some, which is a legitimate claim, but my opinion of those who resort to such tactics in a thread usually goes down. I guess as the saying goes, "let he who is without fault cast the first stone". It is ironic that some who criticised Mr. Belcher's criminal activities with regard to the cattle have criminal records themselves. Knock yourselves out over this one. Adios.
 
Well I have never been, nor do I intend to be having any type of criminal charges. You are more than welcome to check ;). However this tread is about Allen, let us not stray from the matter at hand. So that said, I will say this. I was at first supportive of Allen. I have not made any other post but one yesterday and this one now. I did talk to Allen, I might add I was not on the computer at that time. I ask him about what David had to gain from this thread. I also asked about the pictures in question. The answers he gave me about them seemed to be good. When I got back home I looked at the pictures again, at that point, I was sueded to change my opinion. Allen I will ask you again, what is in the picture behind the beardies? Did you not tell me it was crickets?
 
It is ironic that some who criticised Mr. Belcher's criminal activities with regard to the cattle have criminal records themselves. Knock yourselves out over this one. Adios.
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Jim,

You seem to have information about the criminal records of some people who posted on this thread. By doing so you are casting doubts about the character of each and every poster on this thread. Sorry but I don't find that blanket statement flattering to say the least.
 
The BoidSmith said:
Jim,

You seem to have information about the criminal records of some people who posted on this thread. By doing so you are casting doubts about the character of each and every poster on this thread. Sorry but I don't find that blanket statement flattering to say the least.
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I agree. Its good that you brought that up , because I have PM's from Jim scorning me about doubting others character and integrity in other threads. Yet , here he is doing exactly what he told me was wrong.


Jim , what is your reasoning for backing up Allen Belcher?? You have every right too , but i would like to know why. It seems that you have lost something or still have something to lose.....please answer


Derek Federico
 
Understandably so Dan, and for the record, I was not referring to you. I will not make a list of who it is or is not, etc. I agree that it is unflattering to the person(s) so indicated, and have sent communications directly to them. It is just one more inherent problem when folks decide to start reaching back into people's past. I have no care to further tarnish the reputations of others who have done their time, paid their dues, etc. The context of it is not to impugn another member by bringing up their past, but rather to show an example of how "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" might illustrate the pratfalls of this thread, and maybe how, if a few posters would just rely on the Golden Rule, things might not get as ugly as some have wanted this thread from the beginning. The overwhelming hypocrisy of it all is pathetic. No one was forced to post here. Nor was a gun put to their heads to get them to say what they have, or make the choices that they have made. In my opinion Dan, while I have not agreed with all of your posts, I also feel that your opinions are worthy of reading and consideration, and carry a tremendous amount of experience and fair-mindedness.
Derek, sorry to disappoint, but your questions are not worth a "pot to urinate in", IMO. The answers are also well back in the thread. I know it may be like doing homework, but again, knock yourself out :)!
 
Chamco said:
Derek, sorry to disappoint, but your questions are not worth a "pot to urinate in", IMO. The answers are also well back in the thread. I know it may be like doing homework, but again, knock yourself out :)!
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Jim , I sense that you are not too fond of me.....
 
Jim, I have got to hand it to you. You do have a way of drawing people's attention off of the subject. Looking back at these threads that happened a bunch. I do admire your effort. I also enjoy most of your posts here on Fauna. I do have a question though; if I am not worth your pot of liquid gold, then so be it. But did Allen give you the same story about the crickets behind the beardies in the shown picture? I talked to him about three weeks ago, and that is the story he gave me. I have been watching this thread from day one, I took your advice and gave him a ring. I have not posted because I did not want to get into a drawn out debate about any other things than what this thread is about. But now that I have committed myself, then so be it. I would like to keep it to the point though. :) Just my thoughts.
 
Also I will not be vending at my own show because that is a conflict of interest!
Thanks Allen Belcher
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Allen,

Just for the record selling in a show that you promote and organize is not IMO a conflict of interest as long as your prices are within reason. If you decide to slash them way below the other vendors then yes, I would consider it an unfair competition and questionable from a business approach. There are examples of individuals that organize and sell merchandise in their very own show and no-one considers that a conflict of interest. They probably even charge themselves more for their own table ;)
 
Bobby,
There are dozens of things in this thread that seem to be pet concerns for dozens of different folks. With regard to your question: "But did Allen give you the same story about the crickets behind the beardies in the shown picture?". Don't have a clue ... never noticed or asked. You and I traded PM's I think, and I do not remember us discussing it then. The issue of late that has concerned me is the decision by the original lynching crew to resurrect this thread. If Allen has other problems going back further, maybe he beat up the neighbor in '99 or something, then I guess we'll be hearing about that too. My preference would to be long gone from the BOI as the topics sink more into attacking people's reputations for past misdeeds, which seems to be the MO when we don't have much else to go on. There's a bottomless pit of criminal backgrounds in the reptile industry, people who paid their dues, and move on. We all know that the list of those never caught is much longer. If Allen were accused in a current thread of some of the scams that we read about here all the time, then a past history of criminal conduct would be more in order. After Mike filled his moral obligation to post of the cattle incident, I read one person's critique that made me want to puke. In the big picture, I don't know where crickets and beardies fits in the pecking order, and I do not have an answer.
 
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Bobby,
There are dozens of things in this thread that seem to be pet concerns for dozens of different folks. With regard to your question: "But did Allen give you the same story about the crickets behind the beardies in the shown picture?". Don't have a clue ... never noticed or asked. You and I traded PM's I think, and I do not remember us discussing it then.
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Jim, we never did any PM's at all that I am aware of, you must have me confused with someone else.


The issue of late that has concerned me is the decision by the original lynching crew to resurrect this thread. If Allen has other problems going back further, maybe he beat up the neighbor in '99 or something, then I guess we'll be hearing about that too. My preference would to be long gone from the BOI as the topics sink more into attacking people's reputations for past misdeeds, which seems to be the MO when we don't have much else to go on. There's a bottomless pit of criminal backgrounds in the reptile industry, people who paid their dues, and move on. We all know that the list of those never caught is much longer. If Allen were accused in a current thread of some of the scams that we read about here all the time, then a past history of criminal conduct would be more in order. After Mike filled his moral obligation to post of the cattle incident, I read one person's critique that made me want to puke.
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I do agree with most of what you are saying here. But there are parts that I do not as well, thats fine I am sure everyone here has their opinion on that as well. IMO, they are more than entitled to.

In the big picture, I don't know where crickets and beardies fits in the pecking order, and I do not have an answer.
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Now there is where I must disagree, they are a part of the picture we are looking at. That is the one picture that can not be excused by water dishes being turned over, regurge, and etc. That build up in the back of that tank did not happen overnight. And I have never seen crickets that looked like feces and urinates. Sorry I can't buy that one. I am not here to pick a fight with you Jim, just looking at the facts as I see them. :bang:
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Bobby, I must have you confused with someone else.

And you and I have apparently not traded notes about crickets, Allen, etc.
But likewise, when you say this:
Now there is where I must disagree, they are a part of the picture we are looking at. That is the one picture that can not be excused by water dishes being turned over, regurge, and etc. That build up in the back of that tank did not happen overnight. And I have never seen crickets that looked like feces and urinates. Sorry I can't buy that one. I am not here to pick a fight with you Jim, just looking at the facts as I see them.
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"We" aren't looking at a picture though. You are. I have not engaged in any discussions or contemplations about crickets etc., and you are more than welcome to continue discussing it with anyone who cares to. If you say there are crickets behind the beardies, so be it. You must have me confused with someone else, for when I say I haven't been a part of that discussion, I mean it. I hope you understand my lack of an answer for you now:eatsmiley
 
I was mistaken when I wrote that Home Grown Herps had made previous statements about this thread. I had them confussed with someone else. Sorry for the mistake!
Thanks Allen Belcher 706-615-4772
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
But just like this past weekend in Charleston SC I knew that Home Grown Herps had made comments about me when the man does not even know me. However I went up to him shook his hand introduced myself and not one time did he ever make mention of this thread or any of his concerns involving it.
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Allen , your a liar. I have not made any comments about you or bussiness. Where are these comments ?
 
Matt Haines said:
Allen beat you to it. He just publibly appologized for mistakenly accusing you in the post prior to yours. :)
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Yeah, maybe he should know what he's taking about BEFORE making a post !
 
crazydart said:
Ok, wow this is a huge threed. I have some info to add that might help some of you who DONT live in AL. I moved here from Colorado 2 years ago. The entire state is just nuts. It really is just about how they make it out to be in the movies. There are alot of things that are still very much alive here that I was told in grade school had died off after the cival war. 10 year old girls will say things like "look at that N*gger daddy, hes stupid".... yup, not uncommon at all. Anyhow, I really think its too bad how the animals where kept, but to think any kind of legal action would work is crazy. I can just see the officer responding to this one... "The guy has snakes and mice and they are in bad conditions?!?! Well why dont you just call pest control and they will get rid of them all." Now what is a big deal is posting pics on a public website of a private business. The goal was to effect his business, by posting pictures and descriptions of what this person saw. I would say the goal has been acheived. I saw him selling 50% het pieds on his table for a very cheap price, and I asked if he would go lower and he said no, I can sell them all day long for twice that online... that was a big enough red flag for me... he knew what the real deal was worth, and marked them for half that, I moved on. Everything I saw looked to be in good health. Perhaps those of you reading this need to keep in mind where all of your beloved animals come from and eventually go to. Most come in by the thousands, and the name of the game for wholesalers is pick out dead ones, sell the good ones quick... they go to a pet shop... most petshops know who to order from and who not to. So a petshop gets in 10 BPs, still the name of the game is to sell them before they can eat much of anything... so finally it gets to someone who might care about it, its home. A 10 gallon tank and all the pig feed w/ roids mice it can eat... but it wont eat... does this person care enough to take it to a vet to be treated for all the bugs and have a vit shot? I say no, cant say I have ever taked to a single "common" folk who has taken a reptile or amphibian to a vet (good luck finding one in AL anyhow)... so now this snake will likely die because no where along the line anyone has cared. Any most of YOU are getting upset about these WELL FED animals because of a dirty cage (no I would never let any of mine look like that), but the real problem is NEVER going to be with the wholesaler, they are just trying to keep up with the demand, and in a cost effective manor. DEMAND = EVERYONE WHO OWNS A REPTILE OR AMPHIBIAN. So whats the point of this? A simple, to the point statement that conditions where very bad with this wholesaler would have done nicely, people who really gave a care about where their animals came from would do the research, and people who dont, will STILL buy from this wholesaler, no matter how long this post is, and how many pictures there are.
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Actually one of the better vet's who will see reptiles is in Huntsville on Slaughter Road near Madison. But like 90% of vets will not see venomous.
 
I only posted the articles as I found them to show the character of the Allen. Do a back ground check on me if you want. I have received two speeding tickets, and I have wrecked three cars. No criminal charges here.

Was I wrong in posting those articles? I do not think so.
 
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