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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

LOL, while the first pages are still relevant, I think the IBD is a much more concerning issue. I am not saying that it is or isn't true.....I just wish we had some vet reports either way.
 
I have been to Allen,s shop I saw nothing out of order to warrent the other nonsense about him on the previous posts.

In my neck of the woods I would call a retail location a shop. I would call a private "shop" a facility. As he has no retail location then I guess i will never get to check him out. Oh well. :shrug01: :rofl:
Thats is not really the most important issue. Vet reports that have been alluded to need to be posted as seriouse acusations have been made. Terry does it look like I'm jumping to conclusions. I have now asked twice for the vet reports to be posted concerning the biggest accusation of all. If I was the jumper you think I am I would be all over this. I don't like jumping.
 
Cat_72 said:
I think the necropsy and pathology reports need to be posted here, with an accusation this serious. If this is true, and the animal did die from IBD.....people need to know. MANY people need to know. If the tests were NOT conclusive, then it is a different story.....
:iagree: And the sooner the better for sure.
 
oops hit enter to quick .......sooner the better for sure, You are really playing with a mans name here and if this isn't true the damage my already be done, seeing as people alot of times don't read a complete thread, they skim and if they read this you may be causing some heavy damage.
 
Terry, why did you wait until after Ron posted before jumping in and defending Allen? You had all this time to come here fighting for Allen's honor, if Ron got a sick snake from Allen then Allen needs to fix that problem. Why did you not chime in when this all started?

I understand the severity if the snake died from IBD and the problems that many people get to face with their own collection if the purchased from Allen. If it is not IBD, then maybe Ron misread the vet report, at that point he needs to retract his post and let everyone know what the vet report does say, and posting it here will be much better.
 
Pathology

Fool? Hardly...But i run a facility of about 45 large dogs who crap the size of a snake often twice daily, instead of once a month, but we do plan to feed the dogs in the morning, that way they all crap during the day while someone is around to clean it up so they do have to sit in it over night. But i guess your right since it is a "wholesale" business ( which now sound rediculous to me since we are talking about sometype of life form) and allen doesnt want the animals long enough to take a crap. Looks like business is going right according to the business plan...you asked for the path test so here it is, so please feel free to make me and the doctors look like a fool, we enjoy it!
 

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Fool? Hardly...But i run a facility of about 45 large dogs who crap the size of a snake often twice daily, instead of once a month, but we do plan to feed the dogs in the morning, that way they all crap during the day while someone is around to clean it up so they do have to sit in it over night. But i guess your right since it is a "wholesale" business ( which now sound rediculous to me since we are talking about sometype of life form) and allen doesnt want the animals long enough to take a crap. Looks like business is going right according to the business plan...you asked for the path test so here it is, so please feel free to make me and the doctors look like a fool, we enjoy it!
Ok I see a picture but don't know if it only me " But " I can't make heads or tails of it Can't read it.....send it to me Billy I'll repost it Thank you
 
Bill, it seems to take awhile to load...but it's so little, i"m having trouble reading it........but it DOES appear to give IBD as one of the causes of death.
 
Cat_72 said:
Bill, it seems to take awhile to load...but it's so little, i"m having trouble reading it........but it DOES appear to give IBD as one of the causes of death.
Cat it loaded fine for me But its so tiny and I'm Old :rofl:
 
ha ha

Bill_Leverton said:
oops hit enter to quick .......sooner the better for sure, You are really playing with a mans name here and if this isn't true the damage my already be done, seeing as people alot of times don't read a complete thread, they skim and if they read this you may be causing some heavy damage.

ok so your telling me that someone who keeps their animals like that hasnt damaged themselves? C'mon someone who has 90 pages of posts in regard to their business practice isnt questionable already? Most people we buy from have ALL positive posts, with the occasional " i didnt get my package on time". Its seems MOST of the people who did not know allen have been taken in some way. Look at the posts posted by people who knew nothing about this thread...All Bad. OK this is a war in iraq if you ask me, this will be my last post, you all can do as you please as far as your business with allen belcher... but when i see him at shows i will not be around his tables. And like someone had said before everyone on this thread has shown their true colors...so now they can expect to be avoided as well. I thank you all for being so INFORMATIVE. Good luck
 
Ron, I think the whole point of Chuck's post was that some people seem to not be so concerned over the dirty cages, that can be fixed...but IBD is a VERY serious accusation, and not to be taken lightly. If you posted this without proof, it could do a LOT more damage to his reputation that the whole dirty cages thing.
 
airtrixx said:
ok so your telling me that someone who keeps their animals like that hasnt damaged themselves? C'mon someone who has 90 pages of posts in regard to their business practice isnt questionable already? Most people we buy from have ALL positive posts, with the occasional " i didnt get my package on time". Its seems MOST of the people who did not know allen have been taken in some way. Look at the posts posted by people who knew nothing about this thread...All Bad. OK this is a war in iraq if you ask me, this will be my last post, you all can do as you please as far as your business with allen belcher... but when i see him at shows i will not be around his tables. And like someone had said before everyone on this thread has shown their true colors...so now they can expect to be avoided as well. I thank you all for being so INFORMATIVE. Good luck
Ron, The point that you seem to be missing in your anger is that, I'm not taking sides here I'm weighing facts as they are presented, all I asked for was proof to your claims, Nothing more nothing less.
 
Ron, Thanks for sending it to me.. unfortunately I can't get it to look any better.... But from what I can make out ( lettering smudged ) it does say IBD is the cause, Thanks again Ron
 
OK Bill, LOL..I'm not that old, and I'm still having trouble reading it.

Under the "Diagnosis" area, I can read the following:
1)Inclusion ****? formation-stomach and liver
2)Diffuse mild superficial gastroenteritis-stomach
3)Abcess formation-intestine

Under "comments", I cannot read it all, but certain phrases stand out, like, "The underlying problem with this animal is so-called "Inclusion Body ?****?, and where it says that the bacterial infection was probably secondary, as animals with this "inclusion body ?****? are usually immunosupressed.

Where I have the (?****?) I simply can't read it for certain....I'm trying to magnify it, and then it gets more distorted. Ack.
 
Cat_72 said:
OK Bill, LOL..I'm not that old, and I'm still having trouble reading it.

Under the "Diagnosis" area, I can read the following:
1)Inclusion ****? formation-stomach and liver
2)Diffuse mild superficial gastroenteritis-stomach
3)Abcess formation-intestine

Under "comments", I cannot read it all, but certain phrases stand out, like, "The underlying problem with this animal is so-called "Inclusion Body ?****?, and where it says that the bacterial infection was probably secondary, as animals with this "inclusion body ?****? are usually immunosupressed.

Where I have the (?****?) I simply can't read it for certain....I'm trying to magnify it, and then it gets more distorted. Ack.
1) Inclutions body formation -stomach and liver
 
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