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big daddy's wholesal said:
Have any proof of any of this? How did you contact the people with snakes, when you said you didn't do receipts to keep track of them? Anonymous third party quotes are not fact.
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Have any proof of any of this? How did you contact the people with snakes, when you said you didn't do receipts to keep track of them? Anonymous third party quotes are not fact.
Bill & Amy
Harley Rider
Cat_72 said:
How does Allen know who he sold them too? He said he didn't keep track.
big daddy's wholesal
New member
Wild Bill the guy called me. I did not call him.
Allen Belcher
Allen Belcher
big daddy's wholesal
New member
I understand your question now. I contacted the people that I know have babies from that litter. We sale alot to other vendors and petstore, who I either know well or do give receipts for their tax purposes.
Allen Belcher
Allen Belcher
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
Noooooooo Bill......Allen said that the breeder he purchased some of the boas kept photo IDs of each baby, and that breeder looked at the pic posted by Ron, and said it was positively not one he produced. And I said I don't know how anyone could make a positive ID either way from just the pic that Ron posted, it shows very little of the animal, really. Especially considering that most ID shots are taken from overhead, while this is showing just the head and about 3 "bads" along the body.
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
*bands, not "bads".
I'm getting confused with people posting while I'm typing, sorry. LOL.
I'm getting confused with people posting while I'm typing, sorry. LOL.
Bill & Amy
Harley Rider
big daddy's wholesal said:
big daddy's wholesal said:
big daddy's wholesal said:
big daddy's wholesal said:
Bill & Amy
Harley Rider
big daddy's wholesal said:
But that doesn't account for all of them or you would'nt have had any to sell at the show, correct?
big daddy's wholesal
New member
That is correct Bill. We contacted the people that we knew had babies from this litter and spoke to them.
Allen Belcher
Allen Belcher
Chameleon Company
New member
Allen,
At this point in time, IMHO, you don't have anything to answer for. Folks here want to parse phrases to try to give the appearance of a contradiction, while IMHO it seems clear that you had the ability to contact the provider of at least some of your animals, as well as others who received animals from the same provider. You also had the ability to contact some of the people you vend to, particularly other wholesalers/retailers.
As pointed out, it is clear that you have no proof about Ron being truthful or otherwise. And only you know about the phone call. It is even possible that the phone call was real, but the info in it was made-up. I for one found a couple of Ron's actions questionable, beginning with his coming here before contacting you. I found your offer to refund money several weeks down the road to someone you had no knowledge of selling to, who also could not prove he bought from you, as exemplary.
Lastly, this quote from Ron stuck in my crawl:
Ron, I don't want to read too much into whether or not there are specific insinuations here, but this raised both eyebrows:
1) Eyebrow #1: This purchase was a big deal for you, what with killing for your money and all. You not only get no receipt, but your inability to provide certain info about who you bought from seems remarkable. I would think that you could describe many things about the individual, the table, etc, to a "T". Instead, in an earlier post, you indicate that the seller had no time for you, and yet you made the purchase anyway, again with that hard earned money. I usually try to buy from vendors who care enough to earn my money. Personally, I could drive a truck through the holes in your account.
2) Eyebrow #2: IBD will show up in the stock of wholesalers who care. The onus to keep your future collection clean will be on you. In the lower-end boid market, which is where you bought, IBD will always lurk. Its a scourge. If you ever have a collection worth protecting, it will be your quarantine procedures that protect it. Using as much info as you can get about vendors will help, but a bad assumption by you could be what wipes out your animals. While there are no animals out there that would be exempt from quarantine because of who you bought them from, this risk increases exponentially the cheaper the animal, as those are the ones that change hands often, are kept in groups, etc., prior to making it to the consumer.
At this point in time, IMHO, you don't have anything to answer for. Folks here want to parse phrases to try to give the appearance of a contradiction, while IMHO it seems clear that you had the ability to contact the provider of at least some of your animals, as well as others who received animals from the same provider. You also had the ability to contact some of the people you vend to, particularly other wholesalers/retailers.
As pointed out, it is clear that you have no proof about Ron being truthful or otherwise. And only you know about the phone call. It is even possible that the phone call was real, but the info in it was made-up. I for one found a couple of Ron's actions questionable, beginning with his coming here before contacting you. I found your offer to refund money several weeks down the road to someone you had no knowledge of selling to, who also could not prove he bought from you, as exemplary.
Lastly, this quote from Ron stuck in my crawl:
Ron, I don't want to read too much into whether or not there are specific insinuations here, but this raised both eyebrows:
1) Eyebrow #1: This purchase was a big deal for you, what with killing for your money and all. You not only get no receipt, but your inability to provide certain info about who you bought from seems remarkable. I would think that you could describe many things about the individual, the table, etc, to a "T". Instead, in an earlier post, you indicate that the seller had no time for you, and yet you made the purchase anyway, again with that hard earned money. I usually try to buy from vendors who care enough to earn my money. Personally, I could drive a truck through the holes in your account.
2) Eyebrow #2: IBD will show up in the stock of wholesalers who care. The onus to keep your future collection clean will be on you. In the lower-end boid market, which is where you bought, IBD will always lurk. Its a scourge. If you ever have a collection worth protecting, it will be your quarantine procedures that protect it. Using as much info as you can get about vendors will help, but a bad assumption by you could be what wipes out your animals. While there are no animals out there that would be exempt from quarantine because of who you bought them from, this risk increases exponentially the cheaper the animal, as those are the ones that change hands often, are kept in groups, etc., prior to making it to the consumer.
airtrixx
New member
Liar
allen is now lying about someone who called him claiming to know me. the only people who were with me that day are my brother his friend and my girlfriend and all three of us bought the snakes together. NOBODY else even knew i had the snake besides my boss who lives an hour away from radnor. I as well do not live in radnor but a half hour away. The only vet i could find for reptiles is in radnor, so im sure he got that off the report. I remembr things about the table but was not asked to describe the table but the person and it looks like i may have hit a nerve. And as far as getting a laweyer allen...ha ha good luck, this is my state i have many friends and i dont think a pa judge is going to take lightly to someone who comes from another state to sell bad animals, plus i have my three witnesses plus the vet.
SO now i see how much Full of it you are, and how well you can make up bs stories, it almost seems like you believe your own lies. NOBODY who called you knows me, i promise that much.
the table was the first right inside the doors on the right side. there were many snakes in acrylic boxes but as you went further around to the right and made a left down the edge of your table there were a 4 stack high acrylic cage three of which had baby RTBs and the bottom cage had a green anaconda which i also asked to see. if you continued down there were a few crocs. ON the opposite side of your tables there was a 8-10 ft rtb in a sterilite type of container out in the open, and when WE asked how big they get you pointed to that animal.
you see im not stupid, this is getting rediculous...it was him, bottom line, i did buy the snake no question about it, why would i even do this if i didnt? I already said i didnt care about my 50 bucks, cost of business, if thats all it cost me to find out this much about you...i got a deal!
allen is now lying about someone who called him claiming to know me. the only people who were with me that day are my brother his friend and my girlfriend and all three of us bought the snakes together. NOBODY else even knew i had the snake besides my boss who lives an hour away from radnor. I as well do not live in radnor but a half hour away. The only vet i could find for reptiles is in radnor, so im sure he got that off the report. I remembr things about the table but was not asked to describe the table but the person and it looks like i may have hit a nerve. And as far as getting a laweyer allen...ha ha good luck, this is my state i have many friends and i dont think a pa judge is going to take lightly to someone who comes from another state to sell bad animals, plus i have my three witnesses plus the vet.
SO now i see how much Full of it you are, and how well you can make up bs stories, it almost seems like you believe your own lies. NOBODY who called you knows me, i promise that much.
the table was the first right inside the doors on the right side. there were many snakes in acrylic boxes but as you went further around to the right and made a left down the edge of your table there were a 4 stack high acrylic cage three of which had baby RTBs and the bottom cage had a green anaconda which i also asked to see. if you continued down there were a few crocs. ON the opposite side of your tables there was a 8-10 ft rtb in a sterilite type of container out in the open, and when WE asked how big they get you pointed to that animal.
you see im not stupid, this is getting rediculous...it was him, bottom line, i did buy the snake no question about it, why would i even do this if i didnt? I already said i didnt care about my 50 bucks, cost of business, if thats all it cost me to find out this much about you...i got a deal!
airtrixx
New member
lol
ha ha , i just read it again, payphone, anonymous source, lol. no need for a payphone around here...we have *67 to block our calls. i have pics of the other two snakes as well, and if need be i can have three other statements of what my actions were that day. sounds like a bad movie allen.
ha ha , i just read it again, payphone, anonymous source, lol. no need for a payphone around here...we have *67 to block our calls. i have pics of the other two snakes as well, and if need be i can have three other statements of what my actions were that day. sounds like a bad movie allen.
big daddy's wholesal
New member
Here we go three things here.
1. I have acrilycs that I bought from Ron billingsly that I show snakes in at shows. However down the side of my table was 9 inch delis with adult cornsnakes in them and Marty Piedhl the promoter at the show will say that also as he bought some from me.
2. I do not have crocs and have never had crocs. They are illegal in my state. Marty will also back this up. I also did not have a green anacondia. We carry items for wholesale that if we do not sell at a show the petshops that we deliver to will be interested in buying. A green anacondia is not on that list.
3. I had one snake at that show which was a brazilian rainbow boa that a customer brought back in the next day that had died. The customer said they were not sure what happened to it but they had a young daughter that had been playing with it and they hoped she had not done anything wrong. I was sold out of brazilians so I gave the family their money back with a hand shake. Marty can also back this up. This was the only problem I have had with anny reptiles I sold at the show.
On a side note I am looking into buying or trading for one of the boas from that litter to have tested for the IBD virius. I will be posting the results of the test once I have them.
Allen Belcher
1. I have acrilycs that I bought from Ron billingsly that I show snakes in at shows. However down the side of my table was 9 inch delis with adult cornsnakes in them and Marty Piedhl the promoter at the show will say that also as he bought some from me.
2. I do not have crocs and have never had crocs. They are illegal in my state. Marty will also back this up. I also did not have a green anacondia. We carry items for wholesale that if we do not sell at a show the petshops that we deliver to will be interested in buying. A green anacondia is not on that list.
3. I had one snake at that show which was a brazilian rainbow boa that a customer brought back in the next day that had died. The customer said they were not sure what happened to it but they had a young daughter that had been playing with it and they hoped she had not done anything wrong. I was sold out of brazilians so I gave the family their money back with a hand shake. Marty can also back this up. This was the only problem I have had with anny reptiles I sold at the show.
On a side note I am looking into buying or trading for one of the boas from that litter to have tested for the IBD virius. I will be posting the results of the test once I have them.
Allen Belcher
ravensgait
Convoluted Member
Ron if those who were with you are willing you should get them to register here and post. Try not to get to inflamed here, I know it's hard sometimes but if you try to stick to the truth and avoid being baited it really helps.. IBD is as serious a disease as there is in boids so this is going to get people real fired up.
Allen I don't know you but I have to say that when someone trots out the Lawyer word here it sends up red flags big Red ones and the phone call in church thing didn't help at all.. I take it that that was a rough description of you?
As for these breeders with the photo records ETC ya might want to get them to come here. Also I'll say this again from what you described your facility has never been check for IBD so ya might want to stay away from claiming it has been.
Allen I was sitting on the fence on this one but your pushing me towards the other side with your last couple of post. By the way GET OFF THE CAPS IT'S VERY RUDE! Randy
Allen I don't know you but I have to say that when someone trots out the Lawyer word here it sends up red flags big Red ones and the phone call in church thing didn't help at all.. I take it that that was a rough description of you?
As for these breeders with the photo records ETC ya might want to get them to come here. Also I'll say this again from what you described your facility has never been check for IBD so ya might want to stay away from claiming it has been.
Allen I was sitting on the fence on this one but your pushing me towards the other side with your last couple of post. By the way GET OFF THE CAPS IT'S VERY RUDE! Randy
ravensgait
Convoluted Member
That's a lot better Allen and I hope you can get one to test. Ron your friends have a couple of babies right? might be an idea to have them tested. Both of you can post the results here and hopefull get this all cleared up.Randy
Chameleon Company
New member
Ron,
"*67" is still traceable by law enforcement. Agreed, there is nothing that can lend credibility to Allen's claim of the call at this point, except possibly a phone record of incoming calls with his carrier, showing something for that time frame. But the availability of "*67" does not detract one iota from the pay-phone plausibility. The thing about "croc's" has raised a third eyebrow now though.
"*67" is still traceable by law enforcement. Agreed, there is nothing that can lend credibility to Allen's claim of the call at this point, except possibly a phone record of incoming calls with his carrier, showing something for that time frame. But the availability of "*67" does not detract one iota from the pay-phone plausibility. The thing about "croc's" has raised a third eyebrow now though.
ravensgait
Convoluted Member
Yeah got my brows up as well LOL. Need to hear from someone who was there who isn't involved in this. Randy
Bill & Amy
Harley Rider
Chameleon Company said:
Isn't a "third eyebrow" the same as a "mono-brow".
monkeywrench133
zealously apathetic
This is a thread that Ron started on 10/6 on another forum regarding his situation.
http://www.redtailboas.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27955
I'm just offering it up as information, draw your own conclusions. However, considering the seriousness of the accusations, I think everything should be on the table.
http://www.redtailboas.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27955
I'm just offering it up as information, draw your own conclusions. However, considering the seriousness of the accusations, I think everything should be on the table.
airtrixx
New member
big daddy's wholesal said:
I agree you did have corn snakes a little further down the table, yes they were in deli cups.
And i will be trying to get my friend to register because he is the one who held the green anaconda baby when you pulled it out, so yes you did have the anaconda in the stand up rack. But im sure you willl just say something like " hes just saying what you told him to". My girlfriend is sitting here laughing at you because she could care less about any of this but she knows also what happened that day. And that was the first anaconda she had ever touched.
as far as the crocs..i dont know if they were yours or not but their were two in a small aqarium at the back end of your table set up...opposite the large snake display, listed for 65 dollars, i remember because i fought with my girl to not buy one right after i bought the snakes. It could have been the table next to you but i am pretty sure it was yours. I mean it was two months ago and i was only there for an hour. i think i did a pretty good job of getting the point across that i WAS at your table and did buy from you on the last day of the show about two hours before close.
Please post the results when you get them, at this point thats all i care about.
and as far as court...no need...this forum is pretty much the same thing just cheaper, I present my case, your present yours, the people decide on the HARD evidence. Case closed.
Im sorry for all of the headaches i might have caused, but nobody calls me a liar when I didnt lie. Allen all you needed to do is run a few tests and i would have been happy. But to doubt me and call me a liar by lying yourself is like tripping over a land mine.
