Allen Belcher / BigDaddy's Wholesale (Good Experience)

[DThomas]

Also, you sent your entire Boa collection to someone that was shown to have IBD not all that long ago. That's akin to a death sentence. But you got a great deal so that's all that matters right?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Agree with him or not ...

DThomas writes: Excuse me, but this is not how the BOI works or what it is for. Everyone is free to post their opinion about anyone or any transaction. Having had a transaction with someone is not a condition to post on the BOI. You have no right to continually tell everyone to stop doing it.

As you say, "everyone is free to post their opinion .... " which I agree with, but which also acknowledges his own "right" to comment about any other post, either in content or validity. What he has yet to learn is that it is futile to exercise that right as he has here, somewhat akin to "shooting oneself in their own foot", or "being one's own worst enemy". Speaking of which, let me leave while I still have two good feet to trod on .......

 

[RJK890]

Dethroned

Jim O,
The only thing dead around here is the BOI. Again, people are going to have to read through 100 pages of garbage to find any useful info(assuming any other former customers have the balls to post that they have Allen's animals in their collection.) I was wanting this thread to be for good/bad feedback from people who have actually done business with Allen. Not for all the useless gossip and industry politics in the other two threads. Even if ya'll had to post a link to the other threads and leave it at that. I respectfully asked that all the rumors and trash talking remain in there so this thread could actually serve a purpose for anyone considering making a purchase.
I do not think for a second that I am king around here. I am not even part of this "industry." I am simply a hobbyist with a love for the animals that I keep. I would post positive/negative feedback for any person I purchased from. However, I felt that my post would have been lost in a sea of slander in the other threads. I decided to start a new one and included a request that all of this trash talking be confined to the other two threads(not stopped, as if I were king.) I am sorry that it is self exaltation to request that people post only facts, and personal accounts in a particular BOI thread. Thanks.
I did not give my BCI colony a death sentence. The other thread did not prove that IBD had passed through Allen's collection. It was a rumor weed. It had a necropsy report from like an 8 month old snake on what should have been a 3 week old hatchling. The other Spider was like 60g with loose skin and would not eat. Allen offered to have it shipped back to him and either get it started or replace it. I agree that it may have been misrepresented as "well started", but he was willing to make it right wasn't he. The OP chose to keep it and when it did die he did not have a necro done on it. If Allen were to have an IBD outbreak it sure was kept quiet. If Person A posted a necro of a 5' Retic on what should have been a 2 month old hatchling and said Person B(D.Thomas,Wes,Jim O, ect.) has IBD in his collection you would be singing a different tune.
I am not the marketing executive for BigDaddy's Wholesale, I just posted my good experience with Allen. If this thread would have turned out to be a bad guy thread based on negative feedback from actual customers that would have been fine with me, but I guess its a free country right. As you were, What a useless forum!

Allen,
I am sorry for opening up yet another thread with your name on it. It is turning out to be just another carcass for the wolfpack. I don't know how you manage to stay in business. It seems I am the only person to ever have received a snake from you.
Thanks for the great animals, and God Bless.
Rob Kelly

 

[Wilomn]

rob, it seems to me you wanted to brag about doing business with a known scumbag.

Is there some reason you should recieve accolades for that?

You knew his reputation.

You know fauna's reputation.

You admit you are a small man and yet you thought you could change the packs quest for truth all by your lonesome? Do you have one of those funhouse mirrors that makes the images seem bigger than they really are.

IBD was proven.

It's a fact that won't be overlooked here by anyone saying nice things about allen. Not yet. Maybe in a few years, but certainly not yet.

I hope you have lots of luck and plenty of babies and that you also come to understand why there is so little tolerance for lying and scumbaggitry here.

 

[Griz]

Peek-a-Boo, I can't see you,
Everything must be grand.
Boo-ka-Pe, they can't see me,
As long as I've got me head in the sand.
Peek-a-Boo, it may be true,
There's something in what you've said,
But we've got enough troubles in everyday life,
I just bury me head.

How prophetic.......

Griz

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

Rob thanks for the good intentions of this thread. However some of the people here that frequent fauna are good people who would like to see this thread used as it was intended. Then they're others who have it hard for me and want nothing more than to attempt to slander and damage any attempt at a possibility of something good being said or shared about myself.
Here's some answers to some crazy misconseptions!
1 I breed 90-95% of the snakes I sell. I do trades and on ocassion I will buy a good deal for cash. Watch over the next couple of weeks on my adds I just bought two breeders out and will be selling the stock off of the deals. I never pass up a great bargain even in a market as tight as ours right now!
2 I am not or have never been thrown out of or banned from being a vender or customer at any show.
3 I have never had a promoter tell me or make me feel not welcome at an event.
4 I appreciate all the drama given to me and my company from all of you. I have an opportunity to answer questions and defend myself here for everyone to view. I have had many people and even some of the original people who were posting negative comments to stop by our tables at shows, ask people who have done business with me and even come to my facilities. Fauna has brought my name to the spotlight in this industry, However various opinions and rumors came with it. But still has given me an oportunity to shine and when people deal with me or come and visit you don't hear negative statements. So I want to say thank you to fauna for giving me the chance to show who I really am and how I really run my business to so many people in this industry.
5 I have never had a problem with any het animals that I produced and sold.
6 I have given several of you personal invitations to come and tour my facilities. A handful has taken me up on that. I have even offered to pay the airfare for some and still some of these people would rather sit behind a keypad and guess rather than come and see first hand. Here again call me and I will make it happen for you. 706-615-4772
7 Just because I live in Alabama does not make me married to my sister, broke, redneck and/or stupid. I have a beautiful wife with four great kids, I live in a nice home with only a few bills, I do like to listen a tell redneck jokes but would not consider myself as being one and finally I graduated high school with honors and have a masters in electrical engineering.
8 If you thought this season was crazy just wait for this coming year, I already have snakes dropping eggs and lots of ovulations. This season will knock you to your knees. We are expecting over 1500 eggs this season. Looks like this is going to be another I Be Damn season again!!!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

 

[snake5007]

Rob thanks for the good intentions of this thread. However some of the people here that frequent fauna are good people who would like to see this thread used as it was intended. Then they're others who have it hard for me and want nothing more than to attempt to slander and damage any attempt at a possibility of something good being said or shared about myself.
Here's some answers to some crazy misconseptions!
1 I breed 90-95% of the snakes I sell. I do trades and on ocassion I will buy a good deal for cash. Watch over the next couple of weeks on my adds I just bought two breeders out and will be selling the stock off of the deals. I never pass up a great bargain even in a market as tight as ours right now!
2 I am not or have never been thrown out of or banned from being a vender or customer at any show.
3 I have never had a promoter tell me or make me feel not welcome at an event.
4 I appreciate all the drama given to me and my company from all of you. I have an opportunity to answer questions and defend myself here for everyone to view. I have had many people and even some of the original people who were posting negative comments to stop by our tables at shows, ask people who have done business with me and even come to my facilities. Fauna has brought my name to the spotlight in this industry, However various opinions and rumors came with it. But still has given me an oportunity to shine and when people deal with me or come and visit you don't hear negative statements. So I want to say thank you to fauna for giving me the chance to show who I really am and how I really run my business to so many people in this industry.
5 I have never had a problem with any het animals that I produced and sold.
6 I have given several of you personal invitations to come and tour my facilities. A handful has taken me up on that. I have even offered to pay the airfare for some and still some of these people would rather sit behind a keypad and guess rather than come and see first hand. Here again call me and I will make it happen for you. 706-615-4772
7 Just because I live in Alabama does not make me married to my sister, broke, redneck and/or stupid. I have a beautiful wife with four great kids, I live in a nice home with only a few bills, I do like to listen a tell redneck jokes but would not consider myself as being one and finally I graduated high school with honors and have a masters in electrical engineering.
8 If you thought this season was crazy just wait for this coming year, I already have snakes dropping eggs and lots of ovulations. This season will knock you to your knees. We are expecting over 1500 eggs this season. Looks like this is going to be another I Be Damn season again!!!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Is that advertising i smell?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Jim O,
The only thing dead around here is the BOI. Again, people are going to have to read through 100 pages of garbage to find any useful info(assuming any other former customers have the balls to post that they have Allen's animals in their collection.) I was wanting this thread to be for good/bad feedback from people who have actually done business with Allen. Not for all the useless gossip and industry politics in the other two threads. Even if ya'll had to post a link to the other threads and leave it at that. I respectfully asked that all the rumors and trash talking remain in there so this thread could actually serve a purpose for anyone considering making a purchase.
I do not think for a second that I am king around here. I am not even part of this "industry." I am simply a hobbyist with a love for the animals that I keep. I would post positive/negative feedback for any person I purchased from. However, I felt that my post would have been lost in a sea of slander in the other threads. I decided to start a new one and included a request that all of this trash talking be confined to the other two threads(not stopped, as if I were king.) I am sorry that it is self exaltation to request that people post only facts, and personal accounts in a particular BOI thread. Thanks.
I did not give my BCI colony a death sentence. The other thread did not prove that IBD had passed through Allen's collection. It was a rumor weed. It had a necropsy report from like an 8 month old snake on what should have been a 3 week old hatchling. The other Spider was like 60g with loose skin and would not eat. Allen offered to have it shipped back to him and either get it started or replace it. I agree that it may have been misrepresented as "well started", but he was willing to make it right wasn't he. The OP chose to keep it and when it did die he did not have a necro done on it. If Allen were to have an IBD outbreak it sure was kept quiet. If Person A posted a necro of a 5' Retic on what should have been a 2 month old hatchling and said Person B(D.Thomas,Wes,Jim O, ect.) has IBD in his collection you would be singing a different tune.
I am not the marketing executive for BigDaddy's Wholesale, I just posted my good experience with Allen. If this thread would have turned out to be a bad guy thread based on negative feedback from actual customers that would have been fine with me, but I guess its a free country right. As you were, What a useless forum!

Allen,
I am sorry for opening up yet another thread with your name on it. It is turning out to be just another carcass for the wolfpack. I don't know how you manage to stay in business. It seems I am the only person to ever have received a snake from you.
Thanks for the great animals, and God Bless.
Rob Kelly

Rob, I’m really glad you had a positive experience. Seriously I am. You do spark a couple of interesting questions. The bottom-line for you anyway is that you received animals that you are happy with. For you that end result is what is most important. However, you are asking that and requiring others in your requests, and summarizing that anything short of actual animals being received that all other opinions are useless. Well, that’s great except for the fact you are asking others to also go along with that conclusion or this forum has become useless. Well, the BOI was never intended to have such a limited scope and really goes against the nature of why this forum has been effective.

Let me ask you and this could pertain to any transaction not necessarily yours but in general. I see an inquiry about someone on the BOI and a individual responds to this inquire about the subject and posts that this person they are inquiring about is excellent to deal with and do not to hesitate sending their hard earned money to the person. Now, I read this inquiry but I have no personal experience with the subject of thread. I’m aware that the subject has multiple bad guy threads and have read and participated in a couple of them in the past. By your guidelines, I shouldn’t post for all those researching and reading this thread at the top of the BOI that this person has had problems. My opinions are not the same. I may, like you suggested just post links to the previous threads. However, if my opinion were that the person was truly a scammer or someone that had serious customer service issues that haven’t been resolved, I would voice my opinion. It doesn’t take away the fact that the first person responding had a transaction that was positive for them. It does let others know the experiences of others. Which gives any potential buyer information they could use to decide for themselves. Ostracizing others for those believes and regulating their comments as useless, I would disagree with.

Take for example

If you have purchased a het that did or did not prove out for you please feel free to post a reply to this thread. If not your opinion is useless in this thread.

Now, it could be someone is reading this that hasn’t done business with him but believes he lied on a thread to damage a customer’s reputation and believability to discredit them. Well, that may be important to some wanting to make an educated decision on purchasing. It may be of little concern to you and outside the scope of your importance but not all.

If I was of the opinion that it should be known I might post this quote in such a thread.

He also stated that he lost my yellow card. My cards are tan and all are done by the same printer everytime.

Then, I might attach this image.

This might not be important to you and you could consider it useless but some may want the information.

It doesn’t mean that your good transaction has less value just that others have different opinions and standards.
Someone else may come along and post that the quote and image was counter with him stating someone ran a emergency print job on the cards and he forgot or he didn’t know they were yellow. Which allows the readers to make their own decision.

My point at its simplest is this. If you dictate what is allowed and what is not allowed to be posted and have a strict scope of posting the narrowest of firsthand experiences, many scammers, bad business practices would never be posted about. To some ethics and business practices are just as important as receiving animals as described. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with every statement that posted or that the information they posted is useful in any way. Sometimes, it can be unwarranted and you should feel free
to state as much. But, it doesn’t make the forum useless.

FYI-
I personally would not have commented on your thread here. It's great you had a wonderful transaction. But, if I felt strongly enough about posting my opinion or posting links, I'm grateful that I can. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't have a opinion. The forum isn't useless to those that read it even if the threads are lengthy. Each individual will either be concerned enough to read or they will not.

 

[BryonsBoas]

Rob thanks for the good intentions of this thread. However some of the people here that frequent fauna are good people who would like to see this thread used as it was intended. Then they're others who have it hard for me and want nothing more than to attempt to slander and damage any attempt at a possibility of something good being said or shared about myself.
Here's some answers to some crazy misconseptions!
1 I breed 90-95% of the snakes I sell. I do trades and on ocassion I will buy a good deal for cash. Watch over the next couple of weeks on my adds I just bought two breeders out and will be selling the stock off of the deals. I never pass up a great bargain even in a market as tight as ours right now!
2 I am not or have never been thrown out of or banned from being a vender or customer at any show.
3 I have never had a promoter tell me or make me feel not welcome at an event.
4 I appreciate all the drama given to me and my company from all of you. I have an opportunity to answer questions and defend myself here for everyone to view. I have had many people and even some of the original people who were posting negative comments to stop by our tables at shows, ask people who have done business with me and even come to my facilities. Fauna has brought my name to the spotlight in this industry, However various opinions and rumors came with it. But still has given me an oportunity to shine and when people deal with me or come and visit you don't hear negative statements. So I want to say thank you to fauna for giving me the chance to show who I really am and how I really run my business to so many people in this industry.
5 I have never had a problem with any het animals that I produced and sold.
6 I have given several of you personal invitations to come and tour my facilities. A handful has taken me up on that. I have even offered to pay the airfare for some and still some of these people would rather sit behind a keypad and guess rather than come and see first hand. Here again call me and I will make it happen for you. 706-615-4772
7 Just because I live in Alabama does not make me married to my sister, broke, redneck and/or stupid. I have a beautiful wife with four great kids, I live in a nice home with only a few bills, I do like to listen a tell redneck jokes but would not consider myself as being one and finally I graduated high school with honors and have a masters in electrical engineering.
8 If you thought this season was crazy just wait for this coming year, I already have snakes dropping eggs and lots of ovulations. This season will knock you to your knees. We are expecting over 1500 eggs this season. Looks like this is going to be another I Be Damn season again!!!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Proofread your posts before doing this again. Advertising is not allowed on the BOI.

 

[KelliH]

Forgive me, but that does not appear to be advertising IMO, just foolish bragging.

 

[SPJ]

Forgive me, but that does not appear to be advertising IMO, just foolish bragging.

That's exactly what I thought it was too.

 

[Bill362]

Double standard?

Could someone please tell me what the difference is between a post with advertising in it and the post warning him for it with a link to a radio show at the bottom of the post? Now, I am the new guy around here and I may be over looking something. There must be some subtle difference between the two for surely the members here would not let the reputations of the posters (true or untrue) influence them to allow a double standard to exist. I have nothing against posting a link to a radio show, I think it is a good idea and my first reaction was to follow the link ( I had not heard last Saturdays show yet). That being sad if one poster is allowed to advertise then the other poster should also be allowed also. What am I missing here?

Bill Barr

 

[DThomas]

Could someone please tell me what the difference is between a post with advertising in it and the post warning him for it with a link to a radio show at the bottom of the post? Now, I am the new guy around here and I may be over looking something. There must be some subtle difference between the two for surely the members here would not let the reputations of the posters (true or untrue) influence them to allow a double standard to exist. I have nothing against posting a link to a radio show, I think it is a good idea and my first reaction was to follow the link ( I had not heard last Saturdays show yet). That being sad if one poster is allowed to advertise then the other poster should also be allowed also. What am I missing here?

Bill Barr

What you're missing is that the link is in Bryon's signature. If you look at the rule for signature use you will see that something like that is allowed. Advertising in the body of posts has never been allowed.

 

[Bill362]

Thanks, that clears it up.

Bill Barr

 

[RJK890]

Anyway...

I did not title this thread "Good Guy," but "Good Experience." My intentions were not "to change Allen's reputation all by my lonesome" when I posted this thread, nor was I bragging about doing business with a "known scum bag." I just wanted to inform the community that I had received 30 quality animals from this seller and that they had successfully completed 120 days of quarantine. I would also be interested in hearing any feedback, good or bad, from some of his other previous customers. Only because of the heat that they would take for posting here and the fear of being ostracized, they choose not to post.
I had never heard of Allen before I made this trade deal. After reaching a trade arrangement I thought to do a "search" on his name, here on fauna. Obviously, I did not like what I found in the other two threads.
However, I did not give much weight to the IBD claim for already stated reasons. That post of the yellow card was a good catch and post. Still that in itself does not confirm his stock being infected. Maybe some dishonesty to discredit the OP, or perhaps bad memory/communication. As far as the housing conditions go, I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures. If that were the case he would not have healthy adult breeders, would he? If you have 3 or more 100-200g BP's in one 12qt sterilite tub(which I don't personally agree with,) assuming you feed them at the same time they could defecate within the same 12 hour period(at least once.) That would leave you with at least 3 piles of crap, plus urine. Add a tipped water bowl, a shedding, proper room conditions(80+degrees/60% humidity), six more hours, and an unhappy employee who's fixing to quit working for you(no offense Bry), and viola, just 18hrs from the last cage cleaning you have a Kodak moment.
I am sorry for saying that this forum is useless, I do not feel that way. I do enjoy being a member here at Fauna, and sometimes the BOI threads do contain some amazing detective work and good information. I am just disappointed that this thread was not allowed to serve the purpose that it was intended to. I feel it would have been useful, either to clear up some undeserved slander or provide first hand experiences of bad dealings.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I am sorry for saying that this forum is useless, I do not feel that way. I do enjoy being a member here at Fauna, and sometimes the BOI threads do contain some amazing detective work and good information. I am just disappointed that this thread was not allowed to serve the purpose that it was intended to. I feel it would have been useful, either to clear up some undeserved slander or provide first hand experiences of bad dealings.

He does already have a good guy thread.

Located here.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79073

Then there is also more than just the two bad guy threads.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65274
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89890
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89963
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75369

This thread and the others contain a lot of information for people to make a informed decision.

 

[Benji]

I think this thread did serve its purpose. Nothing negative has been said in here that wasn't already said somewhere else. I think what speaks volumes is the lack of anyone else writing in with positive experiences. I'm not saying there haven't been other positive experiences. I'm saying that if people feel uncomfortable with admitting they've dealt with this guy that says more than any negative thread could in my opinion.

 

[Cat_72]

so that people considering a purchase can get this info without having to read 100 pages of slander.

[QUOTERJK890]I feel it would have been useful, either to clear up some undeserved slander or provide first hand experiences of bad dealings.[/QUOTE]

Slander:slan·der –noun Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.

However, I did not give much weight to the IBD claim for already stated reasons. That post of the yellow card was a good catch and post. Still that in itself does not confirm his stock being infected.

No, it just proves that Allen is a liar. But that's OK, as long as you got a good deal, right?

So, 2 animals that came from Allen, one with a definite vet diagnosis of IBD, the other with all of the symptoms and a probable cause of death as IBD, but that's ok too, right? I mean, how dependable are vet reports, really, when I've got Allen's word?

Allen wanted that spider Ball shipped back to him, and it was so run down, the shipping alone could have caused its demise. The new owner cared enough about the animal to at least give it a chance, and try to nurse it back to health rather than kill it with shipping. But that was bad, and Allen wanting it shipped was OK, huh? Cuz we all know, it's all about the money, not the well-being of the actual animals in question.

I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures.

Of course not, they are only that way half of the time. That's ok, because the animals do get clean enclosures every couple of weeks or so. And I'm going to take Allen's word over that of a very respected Fauna member, because Allen gave me a good deal, right? (Seriously, did you actually LOOK at those pictures???)

It's amazing what some people will be able to "overlook" to get a good deal....no matter if others got screwed over or got dying snakes out of the deal....they must be a good guy if I got lucky enough to not get screwed.

Right?

 

[BryonsBoas]

As far as the housing conditions go, I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures. If that were the case he would not have healthy adult breeders, would he? If you have 3 or more 100-200g BP's in one 12qt sterilite tub(which I don't personally agree with,) assuming you feed them at the same time they could defecate within the same 12 hour period(at least once.) That would leave you with at least 3 piles of crap, plus urine. Add a tipped water bowl, a shedding, proper room conditions(80+degrees/60% humidity), six more hours, and an unhappy employee who's fixing to quit working for you(no offense Bry), and viola, just 18hrs from the last cage cleaning you have a Kodak moment.

Yeah , how could I be offended by that?

Put it in proper perspective.

If you read the the thread the I started you would've seen that I was the only employee of the wholesale side. That I had to deal with the animals , build the rodent racks , take care of the reptile room and the breeders in the pet shop , deliver and set up and take down the inflatible jumpers ( with Allen ) , work the shows ( with Allen ), pick up the reptile rodent orders from G&G ( 4 - 5 hour drive one way ) , deliver the retile and rodent orders to the customers ( 12 - 14 hour day ), build the racks for the wholesale room , build and finish the breeder room in the 1 building ( Allen helped with framing the walls ) he had at the time and whatever else needed to be done. 1 meaning I was it , no other employees that worked with me , just me , by myself , 1 employee. What little help I did get was from Allen and only when it required it 2 folks to do it.

Now ....

There is no pet shop any more, the businesses have been trimmed from 4 to 2 and there is more than one employee. Also the amount of shows that THEY ( not just the owner and the 1 employee as before) do has decreased to almost none.

Let me see , 1 employee doing most everything compared to multiple employees doing less or even the same amount. Of course everything would be cleaner and prettier. I'm sure those multiple employees that aren't doing 4 businesses at one time have much more time to spend doing the job that I did.

So yeah , whatever you lets you get a warm a fuzzy bro. No offense tho, Rob , just put it in proper perspective.

 

[Cat_72]

Hets?

Please guys, only post if you have done a deal with him with his hets. I was looking at one of his het female retics. I have read the other posts so this one would be nice if only the people who has gotten hets from him? Hey Rob,one question, did he produce them.Thanks and good luck with your hets.
Rick

Well, as long as he doesn't lose track of which animals are hets, and which ones aren't, you SHOULD be OK.

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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: I QUIT
Date: Feb 5, 2006 12:21 AM
I sure would like to talk to you on the phone tomorrow. Please call me concerning all the statements made in this email. I will be glad to put you on the phone with Mark Bell where I bought the pos het animals. I did however not tell you which ones they were, so I did just mark some of them not knowing exactly which ones they were.

Yeah, that's what an honest businessman does, "just marks em". What a guy!