Allen Belcher / BigDaddy's Wholesale (Good Experience)

[Pink Lady Exotics]

As far as the housing conditions go, I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures. If that were the case he would not have healthy adult breeders, would he? If you have 3 or more 100-200g BP's in one 12qt sterilite tub(which I don't personally agree with,) assuming you feed them at the same time they could defecate within the same 12 hour period(at least once.) That would leave you with at least 3 piles of crap, plus urine. Add a tipped water bowl, a shedding, proper room conditions(80+degrees/60% humidity), six more hours, and an unhappy employee who's fixing to quit working for you(no offense Bry), and viola, just 18hrs from the last cage cleaning you have a Kodak moment.

That would be Allen's fault for piling that many animals into one small enclosure, allowing that kind of filth to pile up, and opening himself up to a "Kodak moment". Disgruntled employee or not (which I don't know if he was), those snakes should not have been in those conditions, period. It doesn't matter if all of that could have happened in a 12-hour period -- it was Allen's choice to risk that. Even just one hour in that kind of filth is not healthy or acceptable. That is a giant red flag in my mind not to purchase anything from him -- and not just Allen, but ANYONE that would be treating their animals like that.

 

[RJK890]

Politically Correct

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[Originally Posted by JenHarrison
Disgruntled employee or not (which I don't know if he was),]

I had originally typed the word disgruntle in my post but decided to use the word unhappy instead because I thought it would be less offensive. The definition of disgruntle is unhappy, or dissatisfied. Since Bryon quit his job with Allen, and after reading everything he has posted about his employment there, I would definitely say he was a disgruntle(unhappy, and dissatisfied) employee. Again, No offense intended but happy and satisfied employee's do not usually quit their jobs. If that does offend you, then you need to adjust your sensitivity level.

Cathy,
Thanks for the english lesson.
Slander: to utter(say, express, give out, send forth, or put into circulation) false statements; to defame(to damage ones reputation by slander or libel( a milicious falsehood, written or printed, that defames.); a false statement.

 

[Cat_72]

In case it didn't make sense, I'll 'splain and simplify it a bit further.

SLANDER is orally spoken.

LIBEL is written words and such.

And I don't think Jen was offended necessarily by the term you used, she was offended by the filthy cages. A lot of folks were.....maybe we just are too sensitive in thinking that animals are more than just dollar signs, and deserve clean living conditions.

And eh, no comment about Allen "just marking" the animals hets, even though he didn't know which ones were and which ones weren't? You said you wanted to hear about any bad deals Allen made with hets.....I'd say selling animals that may or may not have been hets as hets is a pretty bad deal.....but then I guess that's still OK, cuz you got a good deal from ol Allen.

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

Cathy I have already once offered you an EXPENSE PAID visit and you refused. Why you, because you have a tremendous hard one for me so I would love to see your face and hear the words that would hence come from your mouth while I watch your remove your HUGE feet from your mouth. You have no idea what my facilities look like, nor how their cared for, nor my love for what I do. As for making money I do well, and if you think a business that does not stop to reflect on the finances and weigh what is an assest and what is not is healthy, Then your silly!
Let me try to explain it this way. I have a set of dumbbells in the garage and when I want to excersise I go and I excercise the hell out of them. But when I take time from my family, friends and hobbies for what I do everyday, You better believe that I am doing that for a profit!
Find me one person who has bought a het from me that has not proved out. Just one not a handful just one!
How many? Just 1
Why don't you start a new thread entitled HAS ANYONE BOUGHT A HET FROM BIG DADDY THAT HAS NOT PROVED OUT and give that one a bump every few days to keep it on top of fauna!
Allen Belcher

 

[Cat_72]

Cathy I have already once offered you an EXPENSE PAID visit and you refused. Why you, because you have a tremendous hard one for me so I would love to see your face and hear the words that would hence come from your mouth while I watch your remove your HUGE feet from your mouth. You have no idea what my facilities look like, nor how their cared for, nor my love for what I do. As for making money I do well, and if you think a business that does not stop to reflect on the finances and weigh what is an assest and what is not is healthy, Then your silly!
Let me try to explain it this way. I have a set of dumbbells in the garage and when I want to excersise I go and I excercise the hell out of them. But when I take time from my family, friends and hobbies for what I do everyday, You better believe that I am doing that for a profit!
Find me one person who has bought a het from me that has not proved out. Just one not a handful just one!
How many? Just 1
Why don't you start a new thread entitled HAS ANYONE BOUGHT A HET FROM BIG DADDY THAT HAS NOT PROVED OUT and give that one a bump every few days to keep it on top of fauna!
Allen Belcher

Sorry, I'm not built that way.......girls don't get "hard ones". Perhaps your lack of anatomical knowledge would explain a lot, lol. I simply can't stand someone who mistreats their animals, and is a flat-out liar.

And of course there are monetary considerations to be made, but NOT at the expense of the animal's health and well being. If you care more about the money than the animals.....you don't deserve to be in this business. Nothing "silly" about it.

And I don't need to start a new thread, this one will do just fine. After all, you already admitted to marking animals for sale as hets when you didn't even know if they were normals or not. Here's a question..where all all of the people who HAVE proven hets from you? I don't see them jumping to come to your defense....not that it would matter, because we KNOW that you HAVE sold animals marked as hets that you don't even know if they were.

And visiting your facility today would prove NOTHING.

And.....I wear a size 7-7.5 shoe (depending on the style). That's not very big, really.

"Words that would hence come from your mouth"? That actually made me giggle.

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

Anyone who has said anything good about me in any post has been slamed. Heck even the people who have just have unbiased responses have been hung as well. Why would anyone want to stick their hand out if they know it will be slapped? I have to give you props on the guy/girl comment but with four kids I think I have that one fiqured out too. I took the het pieds that had been mixed with normals and about 10-15 and took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"
As for what the trip here would prove..... That you have no idea of what you are speaking about!
But just not coming and continuing to run your mouth, Now that's an idea!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I took the het pieds that had been mixed with normals and about 10-15 and took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"
As for what the trip here would prove..... That you have no idea of what you are speaking about!
But just not coming and continuing to run your mouth, Now that's an idea!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Allen, not to pick a fight but you do realize that isn't what you stated last time, don't you?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"

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How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I went through and pulled four out of the tank that was marked feeding that I knew were in the pos. het container and put them back in the pos. het container where they belonged. How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals.

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[Dennis Hultman]

Did you go back and pick out the bigger ones or the ones with markers?

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

The only ones I sold as possible however had the markers. Even the bigger ones that I knew were in the container did not get sold as possibles if they did not carry the marker. Even Bryon can attest to that!
Allen Belcher

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

Dennis if it did not have the marker trait it was sold as a normal. Some as fancy looking normals.
Allen Belcher

 

[critical bill]

"Words that would hence come from your mouth"? That actually made me giggle.

Me too. hahahaha. We must hence both be giggly.

 

[snake5007]

The only ones I sold as possible however had the markers. Even the bigger ones that I knew were in the container did not get sold as possibles if they did not carry the marker. Even Bryon can attest to that!
Allen Belcher

Allen, are you any good at art?

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Quote:
I had originally typed the word disgruntle in my post but decided to use the word unhappy instead because I thought it would be less offensive. The definition of disgruntle is unhappy, or dissatisfied. Since Bryon quit his job with Allen, and after reading everything he has posted about his employment there, I would definitely say he was a disgruntle(unhappy, and dissatisfied) employee. Again, No offense intended but happy and satisfied employee's do not usually quit their jobs. If that does offend you, then you need to adjust your sensitivity level.

Holy mother of God, did you type that with a straight face!

Discruntled? Hardley, more like disenchanted, disalutioned, and finally after he saw a loosing battle, discusted. Oh wait, it has been rumored that he's by-polar. And now that I live here, I have to keep a constant watch on him to keep him from running naked into the forrest chasing squirles and amramdillo's. I have also made sure that he wears his aluminmu hat at all times to keep the mother ship from making contact! (They keep telling hiom that the armadillos and squirells are actually taliban soldiers ready to take on all red necks in the south!)

Hey rob, when you spent the summer in chat with all of us, talking about critters, sharing stories, and having a good time, didn't you feel a little bit slimmy after leaving? You asked for advice and it was freely given. You read the many posts here and I hope all of the other threads here and the conclusion that you arrived at is that Bryon is a descruntled unhappy employee???

The only ones I sold as possible however had the markers. Even the bigger ones that I knew were in the container did not get sold as possibles if they did not carry the marker. Even Bryon can attest to that!Allen Belcher

No pun intentded but that is the big daddy of them all. You honestly think that after the attmepted smear campaine of his mental health and stability as a man that he would help you? I can answer that one. If he can find the emails that would back that story, yes, yes he would help.

Bryon is a man of integrety, ethics, and morals. He was trying to do what was right for those animals under the circomstances at that time. Bryon came into this thread as a moderator and now you rob are trying to make a febble attempt at discrediting him? Did you sharpen that knife so that he would not feel it as much? Must be nice to be sitting on your allen belcher orange ghost hets and your high moral fiber as a man. WOOT way to go rob!

 

[RJK890]

Quote:
[Originally Posted by laura fopiano]
Hey rob, when you spent the summer in chat with all of us, talking about critters, sharing stories, and having a good time, didn't you feel a little bit slimmy after leaving? You asked for advice and it was freely given. You read the many posts here and I hope all of the other threads here and the conclusion that you arrived at is that Bryon is a descruntled unhappy employee???

Ok laura,
What does me spending some time over the summer in chat talking about critters, sharing stories, and having a good time have to do with anything I have posted. When did I leave, and where did I go? Am I supposed to hate everybody that you do because we chatted. Should I ask permission to go against the popular opinion of the pack to post a good experience thread about a transaction I have had. Out of everything I have posted here you think the only conclusion that I have arrived at is that Bryon is a disgruntled employee? I have no reason to feel "slimy." If you read my quote in post #41 and do not take it out of context, it is not a personal attack on Bryon.

Quote:
[Originally Posted by laura fopiano]
Bryon came into this thread as a moderator and now you rob are trying to make a febble attempt at discrediting him? Did you sharpen that knife so that he would not feel it as much? Must be nice to be sitting on your allen belcher orange ghost hets and your high moral fiber as a man. WOOT way to go rob!

I am not making an attempt at discrediting Bryon. I made no personal attack on his character or integrity. In fact I sent him an email letting him know I meant no offense to him at all, after he put everything in proper perspective for me in post #39. Again, not sounding like he was very happy with his employment at BigDaddy's facilities. I stabbed nobody in the back!

 

[Chameleon Company]

I believe that the OP was accurately protraying his experience, and a desire to post such here for whatever motivates folks to believe that a wise idea. As we all know, it is not when the entity being praised has any negative history here beyond a small skirmish. To the surprise of no one who has any knowledge of this place, both the OP and the object of his praise were taken to task ..... again. Right or wrong (lots of opinion folks), some never have enough sense to let sleeping dogs lie. Its one thing to link to past threads, and another to bring the topic up anew and fight it all over again. Knock yourselves out, but if you expect to be able to challenge the integrity of others and they will just take it like a pin-cushion, think again. Let he who is without fault cast the first stone in this trainwreck redux. Oooops, too late.

 

[BryonsBoas]

The only ones I sold as possible however had the markers. Even the bigger ones that I knew were in the container did not get sold as possibles if they did not carry the marker. Even Bryon can attest to that!
Allen Belcher

You need to have a doctor look at that bump on your head.

Allen sold 50% poss het pied and albino ball pythons at the Columbia SC show and the Birmingham AL show that I finally verified are pure normals , no possibility of het for anything.

I verified that with your buddy ( Tegusforyou )on the phone while I was driving to the Sherriff's office to make my complaint. He admonished me for posting the pics but felt everything else was justified.It was a good conversation that lasted for around an hour. I found out a great deal that I didn't post as there was/are some that would not post against you but were willing to let the info flow for whoever wanted to hear it.

How odd your supporters will say one thing behind your back and something else to your face.
Kinda like how they flood here in droves , from that shock and awe inspiring vendor & customer list , to sing your praises loud and strong.

Just got this from Allen .


From: [email protected] [Add to Address Book] Flag Message | Mark Unread
[This is spam]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: I QUIT
Date: Feb 5, 2006 12:21 AM
I sure would like to talk to you on the phone tomorrow. Please call me concerning all the statements made in this email. I will be glad to put you on the phone with Mark Bell where I bought the pos het animals. I did however not tell you which ones they were, so I did just mark some of them not knowing exactly which ones they were. That was wrong! I do not know how or when I lied to you. I did not think the jumpers or the sewer job was a problem though. I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I am fair Bryon and I would love to talk about these things and any other concerns you have and try to work out any differences. Wheather you decide to talk this out and continue to work with me is entirely up to you. But I do want to talk about these issues and continue to have a relationship with you. I do value your knowledge about reptiles and would hate to lose this relationship with you!!!
Thanks Allen
__________________
Bryon Adzic

I feel much better knowing that I went through and picked out the ones I knew belonged and save Bryon the embarrassment of people finding out of the mistake he had made. Bottom line lack of communication between Bryon and myself was the key that could have kept this from happening. I do know that everyone who purchased one of those animals got what they paid for though.
As for Bryon: The e-mail that I sent him that he has posted was before I knew of this thread

What should I have been embarrassed about?
Are you backtracking on your e-mail where you stated that you knew you marked normals as poss hets? How in the world are you comfortable with " knowing " everyone who bought a poss het got one after you already said you marked normals?

Allen , you have got to be kidding me. In your only post you lost yourself credibility with some of those remarks.

Why would I go back on what I said before? Not just said but was and still willing to testify to. I stand by what I said then, that won't change. Why would go I back and say anything different to your own admission in your e-mail?

At the S.C. show that you marked the normals as poss hets , How did you check for pied markers when you just grabbed normals still in deli cups , laying on wood chip bedding no less? You never opened the deli cups , you just wrote " poss het pied " or " poss het albino " on the lids and stacked them with others marked as poss hets. When did poss het or het albinos start carrying " het pied markers" ?

As for Bryon: The e-mail that I sent him that he has posted was before I knew of this thread.

One wonders how your answer would have been if the e-mail hadn't been posted.

You've left alot of questions unanswered , spun in circles , or answered in anything but the truth. You expect me to come along and back you up in more lies? You might want a full exam for that bump on your head.

Go back and re read the threads , I've openly admitted when you were right ( rare occasion ) and I also gave you props where deserved ( another rare occasion ) BUT , I will not lie for you , nor have I lied to you or anyone else. I even admitted when I was wrong , and those three things I admitted to were the only 3 you could prove.Those 3 things being the most minimal in the entire episode. I find it funny that you think I'll come along and back you up tho, I needed a good laugh.

Truth is far easier to keep up with than fiction. Try it out sometime. I would miss your ever changing stories tho , I find them great toilet reading.


HAHAHAHA , back you up on not selling normals as poss hets when I was the one that busted you on it.

 

[SPJ]

Markers mean NOTHING regarding hets.

Some het pieds have them, some don't.
Some normals have them, some don't.

Looking at the "markers" will not tell you anything.

 

[BryonsBoas]

I did not title this thread "Good Guy," but "Good Experience." My intentions were not "to change Allen's reputation all by my lonesome" when I posted this thread, nor was I bragging about doing business with a "known scum bag." I just wanted to inform the community that I had received 30 quality animals from this seller and that they had successfully completed 120 days of quarantine.

You should have left it at that. Its starting look different. When you asked about starting this thread without the mention of who it was for , you were warned to expect flak about it.

As far as the housing conditions go, I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures. If that were the case he would not have healthy adult breeders, would he? If you have 3 or more 100-200g BP's in one 12qt sterilite tub(which I don't personally agree with,) assuming you feed them at the same time they could defecate within the same 12 hour period(at least once.) That would leave you with at least 3 piles of crap, plus urine. Add a tipped water bowl, a shedding, proper room conditions(80+degrees/60% humidity), six more hours, and an unhappy employee who's fixing to quit working for you(no offense Bry), and viola, just 18hrs from the last cage cleaning you have a Kodak moment.

It would be taken less offensively if it this didn't sound like I plotted for weeks on end or squeezed the snakes for the pics. I'm surprised you don't think I grew the mold or froze dead frogs for my Kodak moment. Lmao , think what you will Rob , it really doesn't matter. Find what you want in the other threads to make you feel better about your deal , overlook the inconsistencies by the seller if you need to.

I was irked for about 10 minutes , more for being drug back into this fiasco when I was content to stay strictly as a mod. Allen's posts speak for themselves without me needing to pick them apart. Disgruntled is really the wrong word. Disillusioned fits better for that.

If you had a good experience then great , happy for ya. Leave it at that , its starting to look as if feel you owe him something since you didn't get screwed.