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Bad Guy Allen Belcher new name.

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bigrn69 said:
If you believe everything you hear about people then there is not a good reptile breeder out there cause I have heard and read smack talk about every single one of them. I ask if you have bought from him cause if you had an actual bad experience then you could actually give some real first hand experiences and not just what you have heard. I'm quite sure many people have bought animals bred or raised by him and not known it and been very happy. I can't say for sure so i'm not gonna comment either way. But if yourself or anyone else had not had an ACTUAL bad experience then your all acting like a group of catty little school girls.
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bigrn69 said:
NO we don't buy animals from anyone and resell them.
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Wayne and Ryan is it true you both work for Allens partner? Now we know why you are defending Allen :NoNo:
 
Ok I didnt get it out there before I guess. Everyone if you want this info to be here forever then please click the coins to the left because if you do know help support this site the BOI will perish and be gone as early as Jan. 01 2010
 
money

Royal Morphz said:
Ok I didnt get it out there before I guess. Everyone if you want this info to be here forever then please click the coins to the left because if you do know help support this site the BOI will perish and be gone as early as Jan. 01 2010
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Tim i did understand you earlier but you have to have the money before you send it ;).I will soon :thumbsup:
 
 
We don't work for ANYONE except ourselves lets get that clear right here and now. Any animal we sell is produced by us period end of story. Am I a customer of RMJ yes we are and all of my animals have always been healthy. We also have bought animals from BHB, Ralph Davis, TSK, Ball boutique, Outback reptiles and many others.

What I will say is that the BOI is chock full of little whining part timers who really need to get a life. We spoke up because of the constant crying for no apparent reason other than internet muscles. I feel the total trash talking here is severely detrimental to everyone and every responsible breeder. Its one thing to have a legit complaint its quite another to talk smack cause you think you can especially when you have had no direct contact with that particular breeder. I'm not a lawyer but that smells like slander.

If you don't want to buy something from me, or any breeder, because of someone may or may not have purchased an animal from someone you don't like thats your choice but how dare you attempt to talk smack or question my ethics or intentions without knowing or dealing with me or anyone for that fact. Again just internet muscles at work ... NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF INTERNET COWARDS
 
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bigrn69 said:
We don't work for ANYONE except ourselves lets get that clear right here and now. Any animal we sell is produced by us period end of story. Am I a customer of RMJ yes we are and all of my animals have always been healthy. We also have bought animals from BHB, Ralph Davis, TSK, Ball boutique, Outback reptiles and many others.

What I will say is that the BOI is chock full of little whining part timers who really need to get a life. We spoke up because of the constant crying for no apparent reason other than internet muscles. I feel the total trash talking here is severely detrimental to everyone and every responsible breeder. Its one thing to have a legit complaint its quite another to talk smack cause you think you can especially when you have had no direct contact with that particular breeder. I'm not a lawyer but that smells like slander.

If you don't want to buy something from me, or any breeder, because of someone may or may not have purchased an animal from someone you don't like thats your choice but how dare you attempt to talk smack or question my ethics or intentions without knowing or dealing with me or anyone for that fact. Again just internet muscles at work ... NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF INTERNET COWARDS
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I tend to believe my sources sorry.Now why is it the ones that are shown to associate with people like Allen say the BOI is no good :shrug01:.Nope its not called slander its called the truth :rofl:
 
Its funny no one said a dang thing when i stuck up for BHB..and I said many of the same things. Again how many animals do you have or produce ??? and I would like to know since you have never dealt with him how you were graced with this knowledge...which breeder that you buy from talks trash about him. If you have never dealt with him first hand then how can you form an accurate intelligent opinion. did one of your animals die, were they sick, full of mites, sexed what went wrong to bring out your hatred.

I do not begrudge someone an honest complaint. Written by the person it happened to not someone with no prior dealings just running off at the lips. That should be the purpose of the BOI not how I see it being utilized.

HSUS and peta don't need money to fight us all they need are a few more internet muscled whiny loosers to try to refocus the attention on fighting ourselves.
 
3 good transactions

joepythons said:
I tend to believe my sources sorry.Now why is it the ones that are shown to associate with people like Allen say the BOI is no good :shrug01:.Nope its not called slander its called the truth :rofl:
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The BOI is all about sharing information about actual dealings with others regardless if the transaction was good or bad. It is to inform others about personal experience- not slander you have read about in previous post. Nobody should judge a person unless they know them or have done actual business with that person. There are a ton of people that purchase from Allen and are very pleased with their purchases, myself included. Unfortunately, I am one of the few to step-up to the podium and share my good experiences. I have bought from Allen Belcher on three separate occasions dating back to almost 18 months ago. I actually received (7) ball pythons from him just this morning. Every animal has been in perfect health, feeds well and is better then average looking. Each snake was bagged separately, packaged properly and arrived on time. I've heard all the trash too, but have only had good transactions with Allen. I even called him this morning to let him know that all the morphs exceeded my expectations and thanked him again. Now there's my personal experience with BigDaddy Ballroom. :thumbsup:
 
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Get Sum said:
The BOI is all about sharing information about actual dealings with others regardless if the transaction was good or bad. It is to inform others about personal experience- not slander you have read about in previous post. Nobody should judge a person unless they know them or have done actual business with that person. There are a ton of people that purchase from Allen and are very pleased with their purchases, myself included. Unfortunately, I am one of the few to step-up to the podium and share my good experiences. I have bought from Allen Belcher on three separate occasions dating back to almost 18 months ago. I actually received (7) ball pythons from him just this morning. Every animal has been in perfect health, feeds well and is better then average looking. Each snake was bagged separately, packaged properly and arrived on time. I've heard all the trash too, but have only had good transactions with Allen. I even called him this morning to let him know that all the morphs exceeded my expectations and thanked him again. Now there's my personal experience with BigDaddy Ballroom. :thumbsup:
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If you have had good transactions then why no good guy thread?
 
wow

mabe this thread should b linked to mr hagard as he also looks to have a yellow tint to his bath water also:shrug01:
 
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yankneck said:
mabe this thread should b linked to mr hagard as he also looks to have a yellow tint to his bath water also:shrug01:
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Please use spell check its HAGGARD :rolleyes:.If you want to bring it on as its a thread started by a kid who killed a snake then blamed me.
 
Someone stated that you need to have done business with someone before you can talk about them.

Not the case here when an employee puts forth pictures taken in the place he works(Allens).

These pics are all anyone needs to see to get a feel for Allen Belcher.
 
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bigrn69 said:
We don't work for ANYONE except ourselves lets get that clear right here and now. Any animal we sell is produced by us period end of story. Am I a customer of RMJ yes we are and all of my animals have always been healthy. We also have bought animals from BHB, Ralph Davis, TSK, Ball boutique, Outback reptiles and many others.

What I will say is that the BOI is chock full of little whining part timers who really need to get a life. We spoke up because of the constant crying for no apparent reason other than internet muscles. I feel the total trash talking here is severely detrimental to everyone and every responsible breeder. Its one thing to have a legit complaint its quite another to talk smack cause you think you can especially when you have had no direct contact with that particular breeder. I'm not a lawyer but that smells like slander.

If you don't want to buy something from me, or any breeder, because of someone may or may not have purchased an animal from someone you don't like thats your choice but how dare you attempt to talk smack or question my ethics or intentions without knowing or dealing with me or anyone for that fact. Again just internet muscles at work ... NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF INTERNET COWARDS
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Are you serious, Wayne?

Your argument is that the beating that Allen has taken on the BOI (and all of it with good reason based on proof of his actions) is harming the responsible breeders? That is crap and you know it. I really don't get why you are getting all hot and bothered over people telling the truth about a guy you have said you have nothing to do with.

Incidentally, slander is defamation through spoken words. The term you are looking for is libel. However, libel is extremely difficult to prosecute and cases are often dismissed due to the statements made being opinion rather than fact or deemed "fair comment and criticism".

As far as your claims of Internet muscles, I can only speak for myself. Anything I say on an Internet forum is just me speaking my mind. If I met you in person I would say the exact same thing. However, even if someone who has posted here is a keyboard commando, it doesn't invalidate their opinions and doesn't erase the facts posted about Allen.
 
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If you have had good transactions then why no good guy thread?
Why should Jason bother to post a "Good Guy" thread about his transaction with Allen?

Y'all would just hijack it and regurgitate every post that has already posted in the many other threads about Allen, and talk smack about Jay as well.

After that it would be linked to all of those other threads, as a thread "that started out as a "Good Guy" thread.

Total misuse of the BOI, IMO.
 
RJK890 said:
Total misuse of the BOI, IMO.
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How is calling a person a "Bad Guy", when there was "PROOF" submitted, a misuse of the BOI?

You would rather the information, not smack or regurgitation, regarding Allen, just go away. That way he can continue mistreating his animals and scamming his customers! Is that what you are saying?

IMO, your definition of the word "MISUSE", is way off base!

Wayne
 
I think He was merely referring to the slander and mud slinging from individuals that have no first hand knowledge of the situation.

I have never done business with Allen, nor do I intend to, However, the "BOI" should be RESERVED for PROFESSIONAL
 
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