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Bad Guy Amanda & Mike Webb of The Pet Gecko

A little History.

Mike Webb current user name
southernserpents28 since 2012
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=105838


Mike, Just want to make it clear. Don't register another user name on this site. You are only allowed to have one.


2010 SouthernSerpentsReptileCo
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=74625

2006 mikewebb79761
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=33059

2002 Southern Serpents
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=521

2001 from Previous BOI his user name was Mike Webb.

Amanda- ajocandy22
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=63859

Previous Threads
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39890
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10748
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98672
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5520
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32435
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328266

Previous to this version of Fauna Classifieds there are threads on The first BOI regarding Mike from 15 years ago.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/inquiry2/

The database doesn't have a search function for part one and part two was lost. I am sure there were some on part 2 which included several people not receiving their animals that were paid for.

Here are a couple of threads from the first part of the old BOI that pertains to Mike. I believe that there are/were more on the older version of this site.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/inquiry2/posts/7038.html
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/inquiry2/posts/6293.html

Just a little refresher on Mike's past...seems to me he'd want to aggressively handle any potential issues. Call me crazy.

I agree with you about this, though, Sam: If he doesn't have bulletproof evidence, he probably shouldn't have come back at all.
 
The outburst on post #40 is really the only thing i see that he has done wrong. If he tested his collection then he tested it and we wont hear about any more crypto geckos. If he didnt we still might not hear about any crypto geckos. The fact is until we hear about any more crypto geckos (if there is any) the only thing i see that he is guilty of is that one outburst. His wife offered a refund the moment she was told about the sick gecko for the original purchase price and that is all that should be required. If you buy a 60$ phone from walmart and spend 600$ fixing it walmart will laugh in your face when you as for that 600$. MAYBE she should pay for the crypto test that she asked the buyer to do (even though it did not come up positive) but other than that its on the buyer since she refused the initial offer of the refund. If any of her other geckos got sick then it would be a different story but since they didnt i dont believe they owe the buyer any more than the original purchase price of the gecko and possibly the necropsy that they asked to have done (even though it didnt come back positive)
 
After being banned im amazed he even came back. I would not have prepared anything if i was in the same situation because i would have left the site for good. If you really care whether has has proof or not you will give him the time he requires to post it. But if you only care about calling him a liar within seconds of him saying he will have the proof up within a few days keep doing as you are doing now. The man is obviously busy running a business i doubt he has time to meet your every demand in your unrealistic time frame.

Unrealistic time frame according to who? He said he would post it BEFORE he got banned. Therefore, he should have had his ducks in a row when his ban expired. That's what a normal person does. Especially if he knew he was coming back to this thread. If, like you, he knew he wasn't coming back to this thread, then it's understandable. But, he did come back, and probably knew he was coming back the whole time he was banned. That only leads me to believe that he isn't going to provide proof, or is stalling to get some sort of "proof."

He could have settled this at the beginning of this thread, by not losing his cool, and cussing out the customer who he wronged. But instead he chose to be belligerent and show his true colors. Then he decided to say he was going to apologize, but not really apologize. During that time he was posting his BS, he could have been getting his proof in order.

So you saying that he has an unrealistic time frame is bs.
 
I only have 2 posts because i mostly just lurk here and wait for good deals to spring up. Im defending him because Iv had a recent transaction with him that went absolutely perfectly and because this thread has spiraled a bit simply because of his outburst and thats not really fair.
 
Just a little refresher on Mike's past...seems to me he'd want to aggressively handle any potential issues. Call me crazy.

I agree with you on this too. I believe that Mike is shady as all get out as well. Considering he hasn't come back to address any of this shows that he has no way to defend himself on it because it's probably (really is) true.

But that being said, both of these people (seller & buyer,) are on the Do Not Deal With list.
 
Four now, Sam, and a couple really good ones!

Back in February he said that he had proof. When the thread refused to die, he came back a month later again saying he had proof.

Given what he's being accused of, I can't understand his lack of urgency (assuming, of course, that he's been holding negative test results in his hands for 6 weeks or so).

I can see how he won't win, though. Dates won't match, he won't have sent enough samples out,... I think it's too late for him to fix this, even if he does have the results he claims to have.
 
I agree with you on this too. I believe that Mike is shady as all get out as well. Considering he hasn't come back to address any of this shows that he has no way to defend himself on it because it's probably (really is) true.

But that being said, both of these people (seller & buyer,) are on the Do Not Deal With list.

Sorry, strike this! I'm reading 2 threads at once! UGH! :eek:
 
But that being said, both of these people (seller & buyer,) are on the Do Not Deal With list.

I'm not sure where I went wrong to have earned a spot on your list, but I'm sorry. I suppose I can only hope that I haven't ended up on too many others' lists.
 
I'm not sure where I went wrong to have earned a spot on your list, but I'm sorry. I suppose I can only hope that I haven't ended up on too many others' lists.

No, that was my huge mistake, I thought I was posting on another thread. My fingers got ahead of my brain. So sorry.
 
If you get down to just what happened during the transaction the seller really did nothing wrong (until he started posting here). She offered a refund when required and did follow up when the refund was refused. The buyer insisted on getting all those tests done through a lab that the seller did not know about even when asked to simply go through the vet (regardless of where the vet would've done the tests). Just because you know and trust the lab that the buyer got her crypto test from does not mean everybody does. The buyer chose to rack up all the costs that she listed she claims she should be refunded while only a fraction of that is what the seller should actually pay for.
 
Well first off I would watch who you are defending. It is going to get you put on peoples do not sell to or buy from lists. Its not like this is a one time thing for him. There is a long list of issues. If you did get something from him recently then you might want to start checking your stuff also.

It shouldn't matter where the buyer got the tests done at as long as it was reputable and they did. Maybe they don't have a vet close by or maybe they couldn't get appointments. Either way they got the tests done and posted. Something we are still waiting on from the seller. Idk if you do not understand what could happen but because of the lack of care about his issue from the Webbs, people could lose entire collections without knowing.

The costs shows that the buyer cares for the animals. Most people would not go through as much. Why should they take all the punishment while the Webbs take none. Yes its a crappy problem but if they have as many animals and they say and make and do as well as they say then I would think they would have stuff tested simi often.
 
Everything was fine when they thought it was just a "sick" gecko and yes, offered a refund then but once it the crypto test came back the communication went to crap and they started making demands to meet in order to actually get said refund. Read the proof givin in private message shots.
The seller did nothing wrong. SMH


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos
 
If you get down to just what happened during the transaction the seller really did nothing wrong (until he started posting here). She offered a refund when required and did follow up when the refund was refused. The buyer insisted on getting all those tests done through a lab that the seller did not know about even when asked to simply go through the vet (regardless of where the vet would've done the tests). Just because you know and trust the lab that the buyer got her crypto test from does not mean everybody does. The buyer chose to rack up all the costs that she listed she claims she should be refunded while only a fraction of that is what the seller should actually pay for.

The seller did nothing wrong?

How about refusing to send a refund for the gecko or testing even after the buyer sent all the documentation she had? The buyer sent her sample to the SAME LAB the veterinarian would have used. The buyer did go to the veterinarian, and the vet determined that another test was unnecessary.

Having a 10-15% off sale after receiving the positive crypto results was flat out wrong. There is no justification for that at all.

The buyer did not irresponsibly "rack up costs" that were unnecessary. The buyer got the test done, then took the gecko to a vet when the seller refused to acknowledge the test results as valid.

Where did the buyer refuse a refund?

I'm finding it very hard to believe that you are an unbiased party that just happened to see this thread.
 
The seller offered to refund the price of the gecko the moment they were told it was sick. That is all that should be required of a business which they are. In my honest opinion all talk after the seller did not immediately take the refund should have stopped completely. Yes the tests show the buyer cared for the reptile but that is also the buyers responsibility and not the sellers. If the buyer wanted a refund she should have immediately accepted the 60$ refund that was offered and should have just written the deal off as a bad deal. And unless her collection contracts crypto, she is owed nothing but and apology and a 60$ refund.
 
If you get down to just what happened during the transaction the seller really did nothing wrong (until he started posting here). She offered a refund when required and did follow up when the refund was refused. The buyer insisted on getting all those tests done through a lab that the seller did not know about even when asked to simply go through the vet (regardless of where the vet would've done the tests). Just because you know and trust the lab that the buyer got her crypto test from does not mean everybody does. The buyer chose to rack up all the costs that she listed she claims she should be refunded while only a fraction of that is what the seller should actually pay for.

I get the impression you haven't read the entire thread, or only skimmed it. That's ok, I understand that it's very long and not exactly an enjoyable slog through the mud. But you seem to have missed a few key points.

I never asked for or wanted all those costs refunded.

I turned down the very first offer of a refund *at that time* because it would be stupid to insist on or expect a full refund if the only thing wrong with Bella was a case of treatable parasites, or stress from the show. Is that really that unusual of an opinion? Do most people just take the money and run, so that my unwillingness to ask the Webbs to fork over the cash at the first sign of something wrong is so odd?

All I wanted, all I've asked for, is a refund of the purchase price, and the cost of the exam/euth + necropsy due to the Webbs' refusal to accept ABT's results as valid. And now a real apology for the foul things Mike Webb called me, an apology which, while not enough to "fix" the problem, would go a long way to repairing some of the damage he's done to his and his wife's business and reputation. Considering the tone Mike has taken from the beginning, I don't believe I will ever receive either a refund or an apology, but I am willing to admit that I could be wrong.

As for the testing, the original testing through Avian Biotech was done on my own dime, and for the protection of my own collection. I just happened to have purchased Bella between when I ordered the kits from the lab and when they came in, and since she was then part of my collection she was tested along with the rest. I never asked for that test to be covered, and in fact stated that I did not expect it to be covered at least once, if not more than once.

The other costs I listed were to show how expensive getting even ONE gecko that is infected with Crypto can be. If I hadn't followed good quarantine, if I'd done what many people newer to the hobby might do and just put her right in with the rest of my collection, it could have been worse by far. I could have lost a couple thousand dollars worth of animals through cross-contamination, especially since the only true Crypto cure has yet to be published and might not have come out in time to save any of my other geckos if they had been infected. I laid out a great deal of money because I love my animals, not because I wanted to rack up a bunch of expenses and force someone else to pay for them.

I'm not going to argue that you had a good experience with Mike and/or Amanda. That's entirely plausible. If the Webbs never had good transactions, they wouldn't have stayed in business as long as they have. But I'm not the only one here to believe that it's not how you handle the good transactions that makes you a "good guy," it's how you handle the bad ones and the instances where something goes wrong. Those are the cases that really display your character as a business person and as a person in general.

I've tried my best to be the kind of person anyone would want to do business with. If you, or anyone else reading this thread, doesn't agree, that's fine. But please, don't put words in my mouth or ascribe to me motives, actions, or expectations that aren't true.
 
Sam - you do realize, that your only postings EVER are on this thread, and this thread alone. All in support of the Webb's.
Now pt 2- as posted a few times in this thread, Mike Webb has / had multiple accounts under different names, thus your postings seam a little suspicious IMO.

ADMINS- could you please check the IP address for Mr. Sam Stevenson, and confirm its coming from Arizona. Thanks :)
 
Now pt 2- as posted a few times in this thread, Mike Webb has / had multiple accounts under different names, thus your postings seam a little suspicious IMO.)

To Sams credit he's been a member since 2013. As much as I dont agree with him I dont thinks its suspicious.
 
I actually have ready the entire thread and I only posted what it sounded like you wanted. If I was wrong in my assumption then I apologize. What Iv been trying to say (unsuccessfully obviously) Is that a sick gecko and an outburst dont really deserve a 20+ page bad guy thread. And from reading the thread almost all of the posts are completely about the outburst. If you dont get a refund its obviously because this thread has really upset the seller and posting that you dont expect a refund probably wont help your odds at getting one. Yes, a crypto positive could have costed you thousands, but as far as I know, it has not. Personally if I bought a 60$ gecko and it started looking sick I would not have spent nearly as much as you spent diagnosing/euthanizing it. Is that because I dont care for my reptiles? No. Its because im realistic and would prefer to save that money on the reptiles I have spent years bonding with or costed me alot more. I would also not take a cat off the street and immediately take it to the vet.
 
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