And you all wonder why I have to make the restrictions I do...

[Jim O]

Well you are a doctor.

Err....you used to be.

You should be able to take care of that.

Did they have a class in weak comebacks where you allegedly went to school?

Having the degree makes one a doctor. The degree lasts for life. You would know that if you had one. Because I was wise and retired from hard work young makes me...smarter than you.

Now people who actually have brains are getting bored with your drivel and weak attempts at put downs. If you have anything semi-intelligent to say to me say it in PM so as to spare those actually wishing to discuss the topic at hand, oh hypocritical one.

 

[hhmoore]

It isn't as though Bobby went back and deleted his posts from the Tegu forum or elsewhere (at least, not that I am aware of). I could see that being made an issue, as it has been in the past. The images being removed is a somewhat of a different story. It isn't as if pictures aren't deleted anyways (and for a variety of reasons, as mentioned earlier by several of us), but can I understand where Rich might view it as being done in spite. In this case, it certainly sounds as if Bobby was "taking his ball and leaving".

 

[KelliH]

I can understand why Bobby deleted his attachments. He wants to take his property and go somewhere else. I think if he wants to do that, it is his right. What I do find quite ironic is that when it was me that wanted access to my attachments and images, because I no longer wanted them on the site, Bobby was right there telling me how wrong I was. Remember that, Bobby?

varnyard says: Well, that is very valid. IMO, not a great answer, but very valid. I think we can see now why you are wanting access to remove all of your attachments. But IMO, the reason you are giving is not a good enough one to give you that. I don't think what Scott done is right in the least, and to knowingly let you do the same would be not be good for this site, IMO.

varnyard says: Now Kelli, don't you think removing those images would leave gaps in these threads and posts? I mean, if you said something like: Look at my new gecko, and then that image was deleted. That would be a odd post, would it not?

There are more of course but I think the above quotes make the point. Rich, I want you to know that while I still feel it is a member's right to do whatever they want to with their images, I respect this site and you, as the owner of the site. It comes down to your preference and your decisions, and you have been right all along: if we don't like it we can go the heck away.

Sorry for the sidetracking, but it is so interesting how things have come full circle here.

 

[Jim O]

...it is so interesting how things have come full circle here.

Indeed it is.

One thing of note, and people should be aware. In the current version of vBulletin, the admin can disable deletion of attachments and also disable

 

[varnyard]

You bet it is Kelli, just like when you said you would not be back, things change, this includes views. I mean look at you now, you are back and Rich's Mod, correct?

So I take it that a bunch of you agree with Rich, scammers and scum make great mods.

Enough said.

 

[KelliH]

You bet it is Kelli, just like when you said you would not be back, things change, this includes views. I mean look at you now, you are back and Rich's Mod, correct?

Yes Bobby, I decided to let bygones be bygones and continue to participate on a website that I have been a part of since it's inception. I have been a paid member here from the start, and I decided to support Fauna as I always have. I help out with modding when I need to, as I feel that instead of bitching about the goings on here, perhaps I could be part of the solution, rather than the problem.

 

[Griz]

Sometimes it takes more of man to admit when they are wrong then to be a bull and simply lower one's head to get through the crowd. Admitting you're wrong is not a shameful act. It's actually one that takes great courage and often receives admiration. But, it's also a tough pill to swallow. I reckon if it was easy everyone would do it.

Griz

 

[Jim O]

I am done with this...I am out.

Are you Bobby? You've said it three times now.

Many of us would rather you stayed but I doubt anyone will beg you to do that, so...don't let the door hit your behind on the way out. It swings both ways and maybe you'll be back. Like you said, things change.

Good luck to you in your travels.

 

[critical bill]

I don't think Bobby wants to leave, I think he wants to stay. I may be very wrong here but I think the deletion of his photos was more for someone to notice that he was leaving (ya know, slam the door behind ya and make some noise to let them know your going) and perhaps to begin some talk to persuade him to stay. He's put a lot of his time into helping folks in trouble here, educating folks in his area of animal expertise, and working to keep the site scam free. If it is just that as I've said, deleting the photos as a means to be noticed before he walked out the door, he's obviously got the attention of Rich which seems to be the person he most has a gripe with. I suggest that if Rich values Bobby's contributions as a member and wants him to stay that he and Bobby discuss the issues for Bobby that are a problem. I'm sure something can be worked out.

 

[KelliH]

Sometimes it takes more of man to admit when they are wrong then to be a bull and simply lower one's head to get through the crowd. Admitting you're wrong is not a shameful act. It's actually one that takes great courage and often receives admiration. But, it's also a tough pill to swallow. I reckon if it was easy everyone would do it.

Griz, you are so right.

 

[Griz]

But when people value the donations of "less than worthy individuals" before they value their site and people like Bobby, Mike Greathouse etc then who wins? I know who loses.

Griz

 

[KelliH]

But when people value the donations of "less than worthy individuals" before they value their site and people like Bobby, Mike Greathouse etc then who wins? I know who loses.

I understand what you are saying completely, but this place is what it is. I've come to the realization it's a "take it or leave it" sort of place, and personally I am willing to take the bad with the good, and at the same time do my part to make it better.

 

[Bill & Amy]

I understand what you are saying completely, but this place is what it is. I've come to the realization it's a "take it or leave it" sort of place, and personally I am willing to take the bad with the good, and at the same time do my part to make it better.

Take it or leave it? What happened to the sense of society that was here? What happened to protecting people from getting screwed by scammers? Now with the new rules scammers can hide as mods and not be accountable. People will come here and think they are trustworthy people because they are mods of the BOI!!! WTF!!! Hey Rich, I bet you don't let Luis Torres come here and be a mod. According to the new rules he's more than welcome and he wouldn't even have to answer questions in his own BOI thread.

I just can't believe we even have to have this conversation.

 

[hhmoore]

So I take it that a bunch of you agree with Rich, scammers and scum make great mods.

For me, it's got nothing to do with agreeing with Rich...or the statement that, when properly twisted, becomes "scammers and scum make great mods". I may not feel that setting a contribution level is the best way to choose moderators, but the logic behind that decision was explained repeatedly. It was anticipated by many, right from the start, that there would be some less than ideal "buy-ins", but there really haven't been any gross abuses until fairly recently. Now that it has started, will the mess that so many were predicting actually come to fruition? Possibly. And if it becomes the mess that some seemed to be hoping for?..what then? I would imagine that this program would get dropped quicker than it started.
I understand your point, Bobby, I really do...and if you feel strongly enough about it to gather your stuff and go elsewhere, I understand that too. Keep in mind, though,that you became a moderator the same way the rest of us did (site mods excluded, of course) - by virtue of your monetary support. Not because of your knowledge; not because of your calm, even demeanor; not because of your moral fiber; but because you contributed. It doesn't matter whether you paid to get the badge, or got the badge because you paid. By walking away when those you feel unworthy get into the game, you are just changing the playing field to their benefit. It simply makes the number watching a little smaller...makes it just a little more likely that an abuse might go unnoticed...or gives them just a little more time in the role you so strongly feel they don't deserve.

Good luck on your journeys, Bobby, may you find the better place you seek

 

[Cat_72]

Take it or leave it? What happened to the sense of society that was here? What happened to protecting people from getting screwed by scammers? Now with the new rules scammers can hide as mods and not be accountable. People will come here and think they are trustworthy people because they are mods of the BOI!!! WTF!!! Hey Rich, I bet you don't let Luis Torres come here and be a mod. According to the new rules he's more than welcome and he wouldn't even have to answer questions in his own BOI thread.

But when people value the donations of "less than worthy individuals" before they value their site and people like Bobby, Mike Greathouse etc then who wins? I know who loses.

Griz

The only one who wins is the one cashing in.

 

[KelliH]

Take it or leave it? What happened to the sense of society that was here? What happened to protecting people from getting screwed by scammers? Now with the new rules scammers can hide as mods and not be accountable. People will come here and think they are trustworthy people because they are mods of the BOI!!! WTF!!! Hey Rich, I bet you don't let Luis Torres come here and be a mod. According to the new rules he's more than welcome and he wouldn't even have to answer questions in his own BOI thread.

The BOI is still a useful tool to help protect people from scammers, or do you disagree? Maybe I am not understanding, but how is it that you think scammers can hide as mods and not be held accountable? Can you give some specific examples, please, I really don't see it. Why do you think that $50+ paid members do not have to answer questions in their own BOI threads? What exactly are you basing this on? Thanks and sorry for all the questions, I am just trying to understand your point of view.

 

[KelliH]

Take it or leave it? What happened to the sense of society that was here? What happened to protecting people from getting screwed by scammers? Now with the new rules scammers can hide as mods and not be accountable. People will come here and think they are trustworthy people because they are mods of the BOI!!! WTF!!! Hey Rich, I bet you don't let Luis Torres come here and be a mod. According to the new rules he's more than welcome and he wouldn't even have to answer questions in his own BOI thread.

I had one more thought...Everyone, have you not noticed in the past, I don't know, several years, that Fauna has been a "take it or leave it" place? If you haven't then you haven't been paying attention. Surely you are not only now realizing this fact? That's the way it is, and has been for years, and we can either choose to stay and participate in discussions and (in some cases) help out financially and by modding, or we can go somewhere else.

*edit* Please, Bill, I mean you no disrespect at all. I am really just wanting to understand where you are coming from.

 

[Bill & Amy]

The BOI is still a useful tool to help protect people from scammers, or do you disagree? Maybe I am not understanding, but how is it that you think scammers can hide as mods and not be held accountable? Can you give some specific examples, please, I really don't see it. Why do you think that $50+ payed members do not have to answer questions in their own BOI threads? What exactly are you basing this on? Thanks and sorry for all the questions, I am just trying to understand your point of view.

There is a mod that doesn't answer any questions with a direct answer or gives no answer at all. He thinks this is a big word game and is lying constantly. How do you put pressure on someone to answer questions in the BOI when they constantly post outside the BOI and won't come in there and answer? I've tried to always follow the rules when posting on any of the forums here, I've never been issued warning points. But how can you put pressure on someone to answer questions in the BOI, if you can't pursue them outside the BOI when they are mods?

 

[KelliH]

But how can you put pressure on someone to answer questions in the BOI, if you can't pursue them outside the BOI when they are mods?

That's a really good question that I don't know the answer to.

 

[hhmoore]

There is a mod that doesn't answer any questions with a direct answer or gives no answer at all. He thinks this is a big word game and is lying constantly. How do you put pressure on someone to answer questions in the BOI when they constantly post outside the BOI and won't come in there and answer? I've tried to always follow the rules when posting on any of the forums here, I've never been issued warning points. But how can you put pressure on someone to answer questions in the BOI, if you can't pursue them outside the BOI when they are mods?

That situation has nothing to do with that person being a mod...lots of people refuse to go to the BOI and be questioned. There has never been a rule requiring somebody to participate in a BOI thread about them. Also, being a moderator does not make any of us "above the law", and that statement has been made repeatedly. BOI issues in the discussion forums has never been accepted, and going after chasing after someone in that manner would always have been squashed. If you want to call a person out for business practices - do it...just don't make the attack on them as a moderator.