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Info Andy Garner aka AW2EOD

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Angel Rojas

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Ok here goes:
In an attempt to produce some het albino superdwarf tiger retics this year I placed my proven breeder male lav albino tiger up for trade.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183439

Andy Garner AKA AW2EOD contacted me here via PM and told me that he had a white phase albino tiger male that was between 7-9 feet, and that he would trade me. I wasn't getting paid until the week after and I told Andy that I would ship out monday July 12 for delivery on the 13. I sent Andy an email with the tracking number and told him that when he recieves the retic on Tuesday that he ship out the same day for Wednesday delivery, he agreed. Wednesday comes, no snake. I get a text from Andy stating that he had some personal problems and that he had to use the money for an urgent matter.....Fine.....On 7/20/2010 I offerd to help or even fully cover the shipping on his snake but he kindly refused and told me that he would get the money. He managed to get the money and sent me a text stating that he was shipping out Tuesday for delivery Wednesday...Cool....I received the snake today and open the box. Instead of using the proper styrofoam lid, he used a thin piece of cardborad for a top :shrug01:
The top of the snake's head is red and bruised, no doubt from the shipping and the thin cardborad peice used as a lid. And to make matters worse the snake is covered in mites. Not 1 or 2, but maybe a hundred or more. I have sent Mr Garner several emails, including one linked here. This is not a bad guy thread yet, I will see how he handles this.
 
Here are our emails, and if someone can tell me how to post texts on here from my phone I'd be more than happy to do it.

Alb Tiger pics
From: Andy Garner <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: [email protected]


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Angel,

Enclosed are the pics, of my male Alb Tiger. He has almost a full dorsal stripe, broken only one time down by his tail. As I said before, puppy dog tame and pounding FT rats and rabbits.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

These pics were taken the day after I received him. He has thickened up a little, but that's about it.

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b...Sunfire het/?action=view&current=DSC_0001.jpg

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b...Sunfire het/?action=view&current=DSC_0003.jpg

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b...Sunfire het/?action=view&current=DSC_0004.jpg

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b...Sunfire het/?action=view&current=DSC_0005.jpg

I have some more pics, from about 2 weeks ago, that were taken outside with my Iphone. If you'd like those, I can send those as well.

Thanks,

Andy









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Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Angel Rojas I <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Andy Garner <[email protected]>


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He looks great Andy. I'm working all this week and next, but I get paid on friday July 9th. I can ship him on Monday July 12 for overnight delivery for Tuesday



Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Andy Garner <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Angel Rojas I <[email protected]>


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That sounds good. It'll give me some time to put a little cash back, to cover shipping.


I've never traded with people before and done the whole shipping to each other thing, so I'm trusting this goes smoothly.


Not saying you're a bad guy or anything but it just freaks me out, reading the BOI, on Fauna and seeing how many people get screwed.


Andy

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Angel Rojas I <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Andy Garner <[email protected]>


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I know how you feel, but if it puts you at ease I have done trade deals with Greg Bryant from the retic ranch and rodney boalich and also with a fella named Chris Burns. So if you want some references I got them lol



RE: Alb Tiger pics
From: Angel Rojas <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Andy Garner <[email protected]>


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Hey Andy, I shipped that boy out to you. Your tracking number is 1zR54W630125514619. I used UPS and he shoukd arrive by 10:30 tomorrow morning. If you could just shoot me an email as soon as he gets there and let me know that he's alright. And you can ship out Tuesday for Wednesday delivery



RE: Alb Tiger pics
From: Andy Garner <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: [email protected]


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Angel,

Sorry I didnt get back to you, last night, when you called. I didn't pay attention that my phone was on vibrate and I ended up falling asleep on the couch.

It's 9.45am, here and UPS just delivered the Lav. He's really, really nice. Packaging was top notch and very professional!

I'll get the Alb Tiger shipped out to you just as soon as possible. I get paid on Friday and we will shoot for a Monday ship/Tues delivery.

-Andy

> Subject: RE: Alb Tiger pics
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:59:40 -0400
> To: [email protected]
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> Hey Andy, I shipped that boy out to you. Your tracking number is 1zR54W630125514619. I used UPS and he shoukd arrive by 10:30 tomorrow morning. If you could just shoot me an email as soon as he gets there and let me know that he's alright. And you can ship out Tuesday for Wednesday delivery


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Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Andy Garner <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Angel Rojas <[email protected]>


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Alright, man...he's on his way to you. His fat ass was around 14lb. Lol

Tracking number:

1zV554F20179518001

Guaranteed by 10;30am, tomorrow.

Andy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 12, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Angel Rojas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hey Andy, I shipped that boy out to you. Your tracking number is 1zR54W630125514619. I used UPS and he shoukd arrive by 10:30 tomorrow morning. If you could just shoot me an email as soon as he gets there and let me know that he's alright. And you can ship out Tuesday for Wednesday delivery


Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Angel Rojas I <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Andy Garner <[email protected]>


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Hey Andy, the albino tiger just got here, and he's covered in mites. Not just 1 or 2 but hundreds. Now on top of a very late quarantine I have to immediately treat him for these mites, therefore probally stressing him out more from the shipping. My whole breeding season could be down the drain before it even starts. Something needs to be done..........by you........



Re: Alb Tiger pics
From: Angel Rojas I <[email protected]> Add to Contacts
To: Andy Garner <[email protected]>


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Upon further inspection, I noticed that his head and neck area are red and beat up. I believe that it is from shipping, because instead of using the proper styrofoam top, you used a thin piece of cardborad. Totally unexceptable.....Something needs to be done by you ASAP....As you know the screen to my phone is busted, so typing texts like we have been doing is a pain the the ass, so we must communicate through email. You need to contact me ASAP
 
I also have video of the mites, leave it to my wife to take both cameras on her vacation. The video is kind of horrible, but you can see the mites walking on the snake
 
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DSC00066.jpg
 
My phone's cam is not the best in the world, lol.
But there is the cardborad "lid" that was used, as well as the "lid" inside the box for size reference. It doesn't even form a complete lid, it just falls right into the box :shrug01:
 
Here is the video,it horrible I know. But if you look on the left side right where there is the white pattern you will see it. It crawling on him and I was trying to move it around without it falling on the floor.
<embed width="600" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullscreen="true" allowNetworking="all" wmode="transparent" src="http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf" flashvars="file=http%3A%2F%2Fvid831.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz231%2Fpitbull292006%2FMOV00002.mp4">
 
I'm off to work right now, but hopefully when I get home tonight my neighbor is home and I'll see if I could borrow his camera to take better photos :)
 
I'd still like to hear the other side of the story, but if that box in your pics is exactly how the snake came, there's just NO excuse for such a pitiful packing job!!! I'm surprised the snake made it alive.

Soak that snake and take care of the mite problem, but keep a close eye on him, too. The heat that he was probably shipped in, not only without a cold-pack (unless I just missed it), but also without a complete styrofoam inner box...I would be surprised if he didn't get sick! :/
 
I see 1 bug not hundreds on a snake you say is 9 foot you get one small section. IMO that bug could be anything. Such horrible filming and 1 black dot moving around. That hardly screams hundreds to me.
 
okay. Can you 100% for sure tell me that is a mite? No you cant. Nobody can. That video doesnt support anything Angel is saying. Im not saying bugs belong on him. Please learn basic reading comprehension. I said He showed 1 bug after stating there is 100's upon 100's on him. The snake is 9 feet long. 100 upon 100's would be visible. Not one small dot walking around.
 
I am at work, right now, typing from my iPhone, because I have limited internet access, on my work computer.

Rest assured, thus will be dealt with, as soon as I get home.

Angel happened to convieniantly leave out the email I sent him, this morning, which is as follows:

"Hey, Angel.

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this.

When I sent my snake yesterday, he didn't have a single mite on him. I have 19 retics and not a single one of them are mite infested.

I'm not sure how a snake would get "hundreds" of mites on it, during overnight shipping. I wouldn't allow ANY of my snakes to live in mite infested conditions, let alone ship a retic of mine, knowing it had mites.

As far as the shipping, he was sent almost the exact same way you shipped your Lav to me. Albeit, there was no styrafoam lid, tree was double layers of cardboard, to protect the box, in saw anything was stacked on top of it. I explained to you, when I called you, how I had positioned everything and exactly how I'd packed the box for shipping and you had no problems with it then.

Do you have pics of the mites, his head and neck and of the box, as you unpackaged him?

Get back to me as soon as you can. I want to make sure that he's ok and get a solution to the problem, as soon as we can.

Thanks,

Andy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Angel Rojas I <[email protected]> wrote:

Upon further inspection, I noticed that his head and neck area are red and beat up. I believe that it is from shipping, because instead of using the proper styrofoam top, you used a thin piece of cardborad. Totally unexceptable.....Something needs to be done by you ASAP....As you know the screen to my phone is busted, so typing texts like we have been doing is a pain the the ass, so we must communicate through email. You need to contact me ASAP"

Now, according to that email, you're phone is busted...yet the pics you say you took are from your phone?

He also again, convieniantly left out the fact that the pics he posted of that box are not if the entire shipping contents. Packing paper, under and in top of the snake, which by the way, was contained in a very soft fabric snake bag...the same bag, on fact, that Angel shipped a 12' male Lavender Tiger to me in. So, saying that the snakes head and beck were rubbed red by the cardboard is a flat out lie.

The cardboard "lid" as he calls it, was placed in the box, on top at least 6" of packing paper, to give the top, to make the box top more rigid, in the event that other boxes were stacked on top of it.

I've continually asked, through email, for pictures and none have been provided. I was not made aware of this thread, till just now and that's only because I was bored, browsing fauna at work. When he decides whether or not his phone is in fact busted or if he's able to take pics, I really want to see them. I'd also like for 100% of the shipping contents to be pictured...not a few pics of half the contents, of which he willingly left out.

That snake was one of my favorite retics. The ONLY thing I'm concerned about is the well being of that snake. I personally took over an hour off work, yesterday, just to pack the snake myself. That's after ge sat in the tub, for at least an hour, because I wanted him to have as much water as possible, to make sure he was dehydrated during shipping.

Not a single one of my reptiles (Retics, Burms, an Australian Water Python, an Aru Scrub and Monitors) have mites. That snake didn't have a bent scale on him, let alone "hundreds" of mites, when he was packaged and shipped.

As I already said, this will be looked over thoroughly, when I get home from work and I will be anxiously awaiting pics, from Angel.
 
Please forgive my typos, in the previous post...as I said, I'm typing from my iPhone.

I obviously meant he was in the tub, to make he WASN'T dehydrated, during shipping.
 
Crypt keeper said:
I see 1 bug not hundreds on a snake you say is 9 foot you get one small section. IMO that bug could be anything. Such horrible filming and 1 black dot moving around. That hardly screams hundreds to me.
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I'm still reserving the right to form my opinion after I hear the rebuttal of the accused, but I wanted to address this issue posted by CryptKeeper. If you see a single mite "walking around" on your snake, I will put a BIG chunk of change on the bet that you're going to find many more!

That being said, that "bug" appears to be moving around too fast to be a mite, BUT the filming is indeed horrible and I know I cannot determine that it is, or is not, a mite.

To the OP, did you take any shots of the "bruised head"?

As for the shipping, I don't know who you used (couldn't tell from the OP's blurry pics), but that packing job does NOT meet the requirements of either Reptiles Express, nor Fed Ex!! Shipping that way not only exposes the animal to all kinds of dangers, but any accident that might reveal the "illegal methods" would be a punch in the gut for responsible herpers!! We have a big enough fight on our hands right now (especially for BIG burms!!) and need to stick together!

Keep us posted on the animal's health. I sincerely hope that he'll be just fine and all turns out well, despite the reasons that caused this thread.
 
I will 100% agree that you will find more. Thats not what Im debating. When somebody posts their snake has hundreds IMO that means 200 to 300 not a hundred then bet your ass Im gonna show film of at least twenty black dots moving around. Not 1 and barely show what it is.
 
Thanks for posting this as a warning not to do business with this person until he learns the proper way to package an animal and to check the animals over with a fine tooth combe before sending them! To receive an animal in that condition, you've got to wonder what your animal that you sent him will end up with! All I can say right now is take that snake to the vet because you never know what type of parasites or infections it may incure. Good Luck and please get a clearer picture of the box. That's just a Horrible Packaging job to say the least.. it's scary, with a snake that large and the hobby's shipping at risk as it is, If that snake had gotten loose just imagine what would have happened! Who did he use to ship with? Maybe let whomever it is know that this person is not packing his reptiles correctly!
 
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