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Info Andy Garner aka AW2EOD

I could care less what it spells about me, I did nothing wrong. I only posted about my horrible expierence with Andy Garner, and then posted my proof. Don't do business with me...why.....because I won't lay down and let someone clearly rip me off.....Oh well, such is life.
 
No one is telling you to lay down , but how about you take one of the many options people here (where u posted) and try to work it out with the guy instead of going back and forth?

this goes for the other guy as well, not singling you out .and the only thing you are doing wrong is the profane post a few post back . act professional and lets get this issue fixed. i suggested a way to fix it myself a while back as well .
 
That reply was so full of crap is laughable. What does Harry and his board have anything to do with this? Stay on task mighty mouse. Being banned from monsters is an honor. It happens to a lot of people who dont kiss his butt. Sounds like you're puckerd up and ready to roll.

I will say this then im done with your ignorance, maybe I can post another for sale thread and you throw your temper tantrum and get banned from here like you almost did a few weeks back. Andy has a snake of mine. Worth more than anything you own and will probably ever own. He went picked it up for me and has been housing it for months now. Nothing wrong with it. Sends me pics. Its shedding just fine and doing its thing like normal. If he was as bad as you make him out to be my snake would have been dead a long time ago. No animal could live in such horrible conditions like you say he keeps his animals in. All of his animals are top notch. Just like that Tiger. His pics are crystal clear. Nobody could get 100% of the mites of if they tried. Those pics that snake is 100% healthy and happy. Those bugs are not snake mites. I dont know how your animals are kept at your house but Andy does have a mite issue. I can 100% back that up. Otherwise My snake wouldnt be at his house. He has delt with big time guys and these come back and deal with him more and more.

That snake is in your care for 24 hours and you are walking around like a jackass with a shirt in its face. Cornering it. Trying to get it to bite you and attack for shits and giggles. That video made me sick to my stomach. If I post that any other forum you would get 100% negative responses. Only a moron would do something of that nature. That animal has something on it from god knows where and is stressed the hell out then is in a 61 qt bin that IMO is way to small to house him. Heres your dumbass taunting it. You make me sick Angel. Your actions and your words are pathetic. I dont care if that snake showed up with 1 eye and was barely alive. That video is disgusting. Any respected breeder should never ever do business with you after watching that video and how you taunt and stress an animal out. Keep up the good work. Instead of trying to find a solution you agitate the hell out of it for what reason? You proved nothing. A rat would had attacked had you done that to him. Hell My retics which have never snapped or even hissed at me would have attacked.
 
Oh so I'm the only person In the world that swears when they are upset. If you read my original post I didn't ask for him to fix anything, I even went so far as to say that I didn't want to start a bad guy thread. I only wanted to see how he would handle it, I mean damn, a simple "dude I'm so sorry, he's 9 bucks for a can of mite spray"....Or something along those lines. The suggestions of vet bills being paid or shipping another snake were only suggestions of what "could" have been done. But what he did was call me out on my word, so I posted my proof. I was talking to one of the best breeders of retics in the country on the phone at the same time he was reading this very thread, and he totally agreed with me. I've been dealing with snakes all my life, a hell of alot longer than 12 years, and I know a snake mite when I see one....or hundreds...
 
Angel Rojas said:
:rofl: Andy you make me laugh :rofl: That is correct when you said that you were putting up some of your snakes for sale I did say that. But there's only one flaw in that. That conversation that we had was a couple days ago, long before I recieved this snake. And about making promises that I might not have been able to deliver...lol...Had I trade someone who has respect for their animals health, It would have been a promise fulfilled, and plus I'm 100% sure that my breedings would have taken place. I made no half truths and no flat out lies and never once did I EVER claim to be a "big shot" in any hobby. I tormented your snake...lol....shipping that animal in the condition that you did was torment. You packing job cause that snake more torment in shipping than my 2 minute video of how puppy dog tame he is, after you come on here and blabed that out. But you didn't mention how the day before when you told me how scared your wife was to pick his :censored: up out the tub cause you was soaking him to try to kill the mites on him. But you come on here and say that you soaked him because you didn't want him to get dehydrated during shipping....lol....Any healthy snake would NEVER get dehydrated just from being shipped over night, what a lame excuse...lol...I wonder how many people ship snakes everyday, then I wonder how many of those people soak the snake because they don't want them to get dehydrated:rofl: You must not know what oregano looks like, because it's green. You know that you shipped that snake out with mites, and I know that you knew. I gave you suger and you gave me :censored:. Everyone here has seen what a horrible job you do packing, so if you shipped my snake like, what's stopping you from shipping someone eles's the sameway. Why did you ship my snake so horriblly ???? You are a POS, and you know it. I'll make sure that you'll never sell/ trade again on this site. And I really hope that once my brother squares up with Harry over on monsters that he makes him a mod. Cause I will do everything I can to have you banned. And since you have no patience for ignorant people who put this hobby at risk, why don't you tell everybody about your little shipping incident. Don't waste to much time thinking of some lie to cover your :censored: because I have only shipped harmless animals. :thumbsup:
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Do you not realize you're making yourself look like a dumbass, Angel? You talk bad about me and my animals but then turn around want another one, from me?

You can guarantee that "your" breedings will take? Ever heard the saying "Don't count your chickens, before they're hatched"? What I do guarantee you is that it's a rediculous statement. You think big named breeders "guarantee" a breeding and make promises to people, about offspring, even before they've tried pairing said snakes?

I never said anything about my GIRLFRIEND (I'm not married) being afraid of our snakes. I bet my old lady has taken more bites than you have and I have pictures, to prove it. My girlfriend has bigger balls than most men I've met, when it comes to Retics. Just another lie, to try and make yourself look good.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. I've said I want my snake back and would be more than happy to send yours back. You CONTINUALLY refuse and then try and make me look bad again.

My packing job was almost the exact same as yours. You chose to not show the actual packing job I did, for this shipment. When you choose to flat out lie, about what I sent and how I sent it, then I want no further contact with you.

I'm tired of you and of your childish antics. I've offered a solution numerous time, yet you refuse and then talk about how bad of a person I am and how bad my animals are.

I placed him in the tub, so he'd have water, before I shipped. I don't keep water on my big guys, 24/7, because most of my big snakes spill their water bowls constantly. I take them out, every few days and put them in the tub and then put them back in their enclosures, after they've had their fill. I even take them outside, often and let them soak in a kiddy pool, letting them drink and bask and then return them to their enclosures.

I'm done with this and done speaking with you. When you decide to be an adult and be TRUTHFUL, then we can work out some arrangement to return our snakes. If you don't want to do this, so be it...I'll say it again...I wish I'd have never done business with you, after seeing how you've treated my Alb Tiger, in your video. You don't deserve to own any reptiles.

You'll make sure I never sell/trade on this site again and what?...you're gonna make sure I get banned from monstersnakes.com cause your brother is gonna be a mod? Well, good gosh almighty...please, please, please...don't get me banned! Anything but that, Angel!

Please, stop torturing my snake and if you feel you can't properly keep him (which is shown, in your video), please make sure he goes to someone who will...if you choose not to send him back to me.
 
Well that's why i said , get clearer pics and no one will doubt you and you will have proof that the guy cant deny.Anyways i hope this all gets resolved but like i said acting out of line or even non professional will deter people from doing business with anyone , just a tip.
 
Angel Rojas said:
Oh so I'm the only person In the world that swears when they are upset. If you read my original post I didn't ask for him to fix anything, I even went so far as to say that I didn't want to start a bad guy thread. I only wanted to see how he would handle it, I mean damn, a simple "dude I'm so sorry, he's 9 bucks for a can of mite spray"....Or something along those lines. The suggestions of vet bills being paid or shipping another snake were only suggestions of what "could" have been done. But what he did was call me out on my word, so I posted my proof. I was talking to one of the best breeders of retics in the country on the phone at the same time he was reading this very thread, and he totally agreed with me. I've been dealing with snakes all my life, a hell of alot longer than 12 years, and I know a snake mite when I see one....or hundreds...
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So now you're ok with a $9 can of mite spray, when previously, you said you want me to send you another snake.

I offered to return your snake, in exchange for mine and you said no (numerous times).

On the phone, with a big named breeder, who agreed with you? Who would that be?

Now all the sudden, when people are calling your practices into question, you were "not starting a bad guy thread"? Give me a shovel, cause the shits getting deep, around here.
 
I'll make sure that you'll never sell/ trade again on this site. And I really hope that once my brother squares up with Harry over on monsters that he makes him a mod. Cause I will do everything I can to have you banned.
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What are you, Angel.....twelve? "I'm gonna get my brother on you"...

Like I said a few pages ago....JERRY!JERRY!JERRY!

I hope you two can work this out. Enough with the attacks and middle-school crap. GL to you both.
 
Once again cryptkeeper you are a moron as your concept of time is failing you. I have only had this snake a little over 12 hours. Secondly, I was nowhere near being banned. 3rd. You have no Idea what I own or have ever owned, so therefore I wouldn't go around claiming that mine is worth more if I were you. 4th. The pictures that Andy sent to me of the snake were not recent pix. If you read his email you would see that he said that they were taken a couple days after HE got him. Who know how long he had him after that. 5th. The snake was placed in that bin for picture and video purposses. He is actully housed in a 4ftx 30inx 18in enclosure. 6th. I didn't taunt that snake in no way. I merely used my shirt as a shield, would it have been better if I stuck my hand in there and got bit. I was showing that the snake was not as tame as Andy claimed. And if your retics that have never snapped or hissed at you would all of a sudden strike at you for doing the samething I did, you better watch out. I have a VERY tame female retic, and if it aint a rabbit in front of her she will NOT strike. Hell, I could fart right in her face and all she'd do is flick her tounge and turn around.
 
And, I want to know who I actually sent my snake to, Angel.

Your profile says your location is Wyncote, PA.

The address you had me send the snake to was:

7907 Michener Ave
Philidelphia, PA
19150-1320
 
Andy, I NEVER once asked you for another snake. There's nothing wrong with any of my pratices and I also said at the begining in my VERY FIRST post that I didn't wan to start a bad guy thread. And you keep saying that you packed the same way I did...Now you know that's a lie....You yourself even said that my packing was very professional, and I sure that there's alot of people on here that can see your's was no where near that..lol...What makes your packing job so good?? Because you had some paper on top of the snake that was under your cardborad lid....what a joke....
 
You sent the snake to my brothers house because I am staying here to help him out with his snakes until he fully recovers from surgery.
 
Angel Rojas said:
Andy, I NEVER once asked you for another snake. There's nothing wrong with any of my pratices and I also said at the begining in my VERY FIRST post that I didn't wan to start a bad guy thread. And you keep saying that you packed the same way I did...Now you know that's a lie....You yourself even said that my packing was very professional, and I sure that there's alot of people on here that can see your's was no where near that..lol...What makes your packing job so good?? Because you had some paper on top of the snake that was under your cardborad lid....what a joke....
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Well of course they wouldn't say my packing job was professional. When you don't post pictures of how I actually packed and shipped the snake, how are people supposed to know the truth?

This thread is going no where. If you choose to, email me and we can work out shipping each other snakes back. If you choose not to, do not contact me anymore.

I'm more than tired of reading your lies and exagerations.
 
:rofl: Andy, who can picture that box, with a snake in a pillowcase in it, some paper on top of the pillowcase with the snake in it, and then the cardborad flap that you used for a lid, then you closed the box up, and then taped it up. Not hard to do Andy, not hard at all :shrug01:
 
i hope you guys come to a solution that fits everybody. the question that needs to be asked are: do both of you guys PROPERLY quarantine your new animals? if the answer is yes from both of you, then that leaves one logical scenario, the "mite" infested snake, should be the only one in angels collection. therefore, his collection should remain non-infectious. which leads to sending the animal back to andy. now, on the flip side, even if andy does have a "mite" infestation, assuming andy's answer to the above quarantine question, angels female should be clean as well. trade back, everybody breaks even, done deal.
so the choices are: treat the "mite" snake (which is not hard to do at all, although, i would still like to see good quality photos of the head, focusing on the eyes and mouth), trade back animals.
this kind of thread can go on and on and on, but you guys need to come to a decision of either two options, be done with it, obviosly never do business with one another again, treat snake(s) (if truely indicated), and move on
 
This is really starting to sound like a School Yard Shoving match. You guys really need to take the bickering to PMs and focus on what this thread is about.

Angel, Are you going to keep the snake and treat it?

If so, Andy, I would recommend sending Angel a bottle of Mite Spray to help him out!

If Not, Get certified through Reptiles Express and both of you ship your animals back to one another and be done with it!

The squabbling and the secret shipping mishaps that aren't being explained aren't helping this situation at all! Both of you are acting out of anger and sometimes that's not the best time to speak or post on here. Take a few deep breaths, think about the solutions and then come up with a logical plan of attack.

Just my .02, take it as it is.. good luck
 
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone else see issue with the pics of the so called mites? One pic is in focus and that one does not appear to be mites. Although I may not have described it as oregano, it does appear to be particles of something but definitely not bugs. The other pics are so out of focus they could be anything. I am surprised how quick people are to assume mite infestation when shown multiple poor quality pics and one good pic that does not look like mites. The poor quality pics along with the OP's decision not to ship back because he is concerned he will be called a liar if the other party claims there were no mites, has me seriously questioning the mite claim altogether.
 
i agree the specks on the snake do not look like mites to me. the one crawling up angels arm looks like it could be, but it was moving awful quick for an average mite. something just isnt adding up in this thread, cant quite put my finger on it fully, but i will. im known for a read between the lines guy, hahahaha.
but again, dont wanna look to closely in on this, there are obvious situation corrections available.
 
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