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Info Andy Garner aka AW2EOD

Crypt keeper said:
Angel. You keep leaving out the main piece of your claims about the head. Please go back to your very post. read the first sentence of the last paragraph. It says Red and Bruised. BRUISED ANGEL BRUISED IS WHAT YOU wrote. Now we both know an animal with a bruise will not clear up by the time you get home from work. You keep leaving out in your replies the fact you said bruised. You keep saying Red. You didnt just say red the first time. So which was it Angel? You 100% exaggerated the condition of the snakes head and continue to ignore what Im saying. Now. Im no doctor. But I have had many bruises over the years. They dont heal in the normal 8 hour work day. Why did you make these claims then never back them up. Because you lied. Such a simple lie that IMO throws everything you have done and said out the window. Look we can go on and on all night long so this will be my last reply. But your accusations like I said before have so many holes in them and they started off with a blatant lie that it gives you zero credibility in your lackadaisical and lazy approach to proving your other accusations true.

Too much time has passed for anything you say to be true after you started off lying. You failed to prove anything true until almost a week later. IMO that means nothing.
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This is the last time I'm going to entertain you Crypt keeper, as I see your only place in this thread is to stir up :censored: and not bring anything productive to it. When I said bruised I meant it along the lines of like a rug burn. Not like brusied if you get punched and get a black eye or fall and get a black and blue bruise. You completly took it out of context. Like I've said before, I know for a fact that the snake/ box was not properly handled, you can tell that just by looking at the box. So I CONNOT fault Andy for something that he has no control over, which is why I chalked it up and haven't mention it anymore. And because you weren't here to see it you can not say 100% (since you like to throw that number around) that anything I've said is a blatant lie. And I'm sooooo sorry that I couldn't post pix as fast as you wanted them master.
 
What exactly are you hoping to get out of all of this, Angel? What is all this bickering back and forth accomplishing?

I've never had a mite infestation, but looking at pictures online, those don't look like mites to me. Then again, anything grainy can be made to look like mites in blurry pictures. :shrug01:

Anyone can take decent in focus pictures with any camera if they put in the effort. Do a web search for your camera make and model if you no longer have the manual. People have been taking great shots with point and shoots for years.
 
reticguy76 said:
you need to treat the snake or trade back. those are the options. looks like you have started treatement. the mites will be erradicated soon, and you keep him qurantined an extra month or two, make sure he stays clean, and you have plenty of time to throw him with your sd.
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detretic said:
100% with what ryan trade back or treat the snake and drop it...
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I'm not really worried by the mites, sure they're a PITA to get rid of, but they are not a real big deal. I started this thread to say "hey, I dealt with Andy Garner and this is what happened". I was asked to provide proof, I provided it to the best of my ability at the time. I then got my camera back and was able to take way better pix. And now I'm just going to post the vet report
 
MagickalMorphs said:
What exactly are you hoping to get out of all of this, Angel? What is all this bickering back and forth accomplishing?

I've never had a mite infestation, but looking at pictures online, those don't look like mites to me. Then again, anything grainy can be made to look like mites in blurry pictures. :shrug01:

Anyone can take decent in focus pictures with any camera if they put in the effort. Do a web search for your camera make and model if you no longer have the manual. People have been taking great shots with point and shoots for years.
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I don't want crap, this was just to inform people of my dealings with Andy Garner. And I have already posted clear pictures of the mites. Matter of fact they are the same as a pic posted in this thread by chazzz
 
I'm sorry to double post but I forgot to mention.

I wasn't trying to bicker back and forth. But It's like everytime I turn around I have to defend my position in this incident. And it's mainly because of Crypt keeper who only come here to start crap and antagonize me. I took some bad pix in the beginnig....fine.....I had to use what I had at my disposial at the time. Now that I've taken better and clearer pix , there still seems to be a problem. Which Is why I can't wait to post the vet report. And I will say this here......Andy, I don't want you to reimberse me for the vet bill, the money that I spend will be well worth it in making you and :censored: keeper look like fools.
 
to me, it sounds like this should be the final end. you are treating the snake how you feel appropriate, you dont want reimbursement, you wanted to let it be known how your dealing went with andy. all accomplished
 
Here's the vet reports :NoNo: :angry:




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Who is Blackman? All those prove is that an albino python of some sort was seen for mites. Not this particular snake. :shrug01:
 
That is my brothers last name he took the snake to the vet. And the doctor is not a hobbist so he's not up on all the morphs. You're welcome to call the office to verify. I'm also pretty sure that my brother took pix at the vets office.
 
Sorry to bring this back up, but I just became a member over on The Retic Nation forum. While read a topic I noticed this comment from Andy

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Now, my question is: Andy, if the snake that I sent you looked so bad, why is this the first time I'm hearing about it? Why didn't you come here when I started this thread and state that. If you can't answer that, I'm pretty sure that I can. And it's because my snake was healthy and you know it. You posted pix of you and my snake over on constrictors smiling and all happy, showing him off. Not one time did you say anything like that in this thread or to me, that's because you're a liar.
 
Really, Angel? Beating a dead horse.

Your snake wasn't in bad condition. I never said it was. You rant about me not saying how bad it was is irrelevant. He was dehydrated. That took about two hours to fix.

My question now, to you is...you started this thread, talking about me and my Alb Tiger Reticent was horrible and I ruined your breeding plans and blah blah blah and now, only a few months later, you're trying to sell my snake for $550.

Couldn't have been that bad, could it? This issue died long ago. You came out, looking like a moron (whether you see it or not). Let it die, once again and save yourself more embarrassment.

Have a good day. I'm not gonna continue talking about this when the issue was resolved months ago.
 
Here's the email that you sent me when you got him.....Doesn't sound like you recieved a dehydrated and sick looking lav tiger to me....


RE: Alb Tiger picsTuesday, July 13, 2010 2:45 PMFrom: "Andy Garner" <[email protected]>Add sender to ContactsTo: [email protected]ngel,

Sorry I didnt get back to you, last night, when you called. I didn't pay attention that my phone was on vibrate and I ended up falling asleep on the couch.

It's 9.45am, here and UPS just delivered the Lav. He's really, really nice. Packaging was top notch and very professional!

I'll get the Alb Tiger shipped out to you just as soon as possible. I get paid on Friday and we will shoot for a Monday ship/Tues delivery.

-Andy

> Subject: RE: Alb Tiger pics
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:59:40 -0400
> To: [email protected]
>
> Hey Andy, I shipped that boy out to you. Your tracking number is 1zR54W630125514619. I used UPS and he shoukd arrive by 10:30 tomorrow morning. If you could just shoot me an email as soon as he gets there and let me know that he's alright. And you can ship out Tuesday for Wednesday delivery
 
It's not about beating a dead horse. I joined a forum to meet and converse with like minded people who loves retics. But what do I find in the first thread that I opened up.....You talking trash and spreading lies about me to other people. As far as you messing up my breeding plans, you did which is why I had to go a different route, and that male doesn't fit into it. If it was such a dead subject why are you and your butt buddy cryptkeeper spreading lies about me?
 
how am I spreading lies about you Angel? I could care less about you. I dont bring you up in any forum what so ever. I dont talk about you to anybody. How dare you bring my name into this and drag my name around. I havent had any dealings with you what so ever. Where is your proof Angel? Show me where I have sent an e-mail. Or talked about anywhere. You cant. im not petty like you. I dont care about you. I dont talk about you. Im sorry you're losing sleep thinking up BS about me.

You joined Retic Nation and the first thing you did before you even posted a single post was give Andy bad Karma. Dont sit here and play the victim card. You cant just let things go. You're abig baby who got sand kick in his face. You made a huge stink in this thread about breeding then a month later turn around and sell both animals. In your own words over and over you said your season was doomed and yadda yadda this and that. Now you are trying to sell two perfectly healthy animals but yet in this thread you cried wolf about how your not gonna make any babies. Jumped the gun a tad did ya?

Mods this is insane. This thread is dead and over with now full attacks and lies?
 
You're right, I was selling 2 perfectly healthy animals one of which is gone now. And to be honest, I should be thanking Andy as him sending me that mite infested animal helped me to put this years breedings in perpective. And because of that I will be creating a morph that has never been made. And I gave Andy bad karma AFTER I saw that comment.
 
how am I spreading lies about you Angel? I could care less about you. I dont bring you up in any forum what so ever. I dont talk about you to anybody. How dare you bring my name into this and drag my name around. I havent had any dealings with you what so ever. Where is your proof Angel? Show me where I have sent an e-mail. Or talked about anywhere. You cant. im not petty like you. I dont care about you. I dont talk about you. Im sorry you're losing sleep thinking up BS about me.
 
Cryptkeeper, you didn't spread any lies about me, and if I lead you to believe that I apologize. Andy was the one who made that stupid commet to you. You only said that the lav tiger looked good. I don't know to many people that would recieve a dehydrated and sick looking snake from someone and then turn around and send an email to that person saying that the snake looks really really good.
 
And the only reason that I'm losing sleep is because I can't wait for breeding season to come around :D
 
Angel Rojas said:
Cryptkeeper, you didn't spread any lies about me, and if I lead you to believe that I apologize. Andy was the one who made that stupid commet to you. You only said that the lav tiger looked good. I don't know to many people that would recieve a dehydrated and sick looking snake from someone and then turn around and send an email to that person saying that the snake looks really really good.
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what are you talking about? you just said this.

Angel Rojas said:
If it was such a dead subject why are you and your butt buddy cryptkeeper spreading lies about me?
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But whatever. That picture you qouted to retasrt this thread had nothing to do with your tiger. It was about a calico. Stop bringing my name up Angel. I have done nothing to you ever.
 
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