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Hi everyone,

Just asking before I get myself hornswaggled.

This guy Peter, from P2Reptiles in CA is offering a guaranteed het pied cornsnake male for sale. If I had heard of him or had some positive history about him I'd buy the snake, but it's not cheap and all I have is his word about the genetics of the snake.
Can anyone here help out and vouch for (or against!) this guy?

Thanks,
VinnyButch
 
You might want to do a word search on the Kingsnake forums. I remember some controvery about a supposed calico and/or peibald line of corns.

If I remember correctly, Rich Z contributed to that discussion. It was sometime last year.
 
I don't know if there was a more recent thread on the subject, but there is this thread about Calico corns with some information on them from August 2000.

Don't know anything about this breeder, but if the information in that post is still current it may cast some doubt on the health and the "guaranteed" genetics of the snakes.
 
I know nothing of this business, but

If you are talking about this ad where he has a male het calico...I seen that ad also...I thought that the price was a little steep, but the things that caught my eye were:

1. That the males do not show the calico coloring...(Now we have genes that only affect females??)...

2. That they are saying the snake is normal looking but 100% het for calico and that all of the offspring would be 100% het for calico...(Technically only 50% of the offspring would be hets)After reading those sentences in his ad I would think twice about the garaunteed genetics...

Just wanted to point that out...It may be a typo, but it's food for thought
 
I don't think Peter is a dishonest guy. I asked him for pictures of the piebald/calicos and he very kindly sent me some. On the other hand, stay away from these snakes. I've talked with people all over the US about them. They have a condition very similar to vitiligo, an autoimmune disorder that causes the death of pigment producing cells. These are not inherently healthy snakes and are not worth the investment. I thought that most of the line had died out but it appears a few are out there, and there are no takers among the big corn dealers. That should tell you something.
Cheers,
Shawn Lockhart
Hawkeye herps
 
Thanks to everyone who helped me out on this one. I'm sure the seller is an honest guy, but I learned lots about the genetics of cornsnake piebald-ism, and I'm sure it's not something I'm willing to get into.

Thanks again,
VinnyButch
 
I don't know if the guy is honest or not, but I doubt there has been enough research on these "calico" corns to actually determine if the effect is determined by a simple recessive gene. It may be that Peter is just repeating what he has been told by others, but who knows . . .
 
2. That they are saying the snake is normal looking but 100% het for calico and that all of the offspring would be 100% het for calico...(Technically only 50% of the offspring would be hets)After reading those sentences in his ad I would think twice about the garaunteed genetics...
Click to expand...

I read the ad and it doesn't look like that's what he's saying... What I read what he posted as was, the male is 100% homozygous and therefore the offspring would be 100% het. I can't agree or disagree with this statement, because I have no knowledge about the calico trait/gene/disease/whatever or how it works, though everything I've heard about calicos would cause me to shy away from buying even a carrier of the trait, irrespective of the breeder's reputation.

-Kat Hall
 
The "Calico corn" controversy

Rather than putting all of the info about this topic here and drifting way off topic for what is relevant in the BOI, I have posted my notes about this 'cultivar' in the Corn Snakes discussion forum on this board:

Calico Corn thread

You are all welcome to read it and come to your own conclusions afterwards.
 
Without going into all that Rich has placed in the other thread concerning the "calico corn," let me just say that it seems obvious to me from all of the evidence, that this is not the result of a simple recessive gen at work here. That being said, here is the email exchange that I had with Peter on the subject of his snakes:

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Subj: Re: Message about: one of a kind corn
Date: 4/9/2003 6:46:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "P2 Reptiles Inc." <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)




i got my pair from fowler who said that he got them
from rainwater. both him and rainwatter produced
calicos, i have not as my female died before they
could mate. it is a simple recessive trait proven. the
female was one of the sakes pictured in kathy love's
corn snake manual in the calico mutation section.
thatnks for your interest.

p2 reptiles
peter

--- [email protected] wrote:
> Can you please tell me about the "calico" trait?
> Has it been proven to be simple recessive? Have you
> proven it so? If not, where did you get your stock?
> How do you know that males carrying the gene for
> calico do not show the mutation? How many "calico"
> corns have produced/seen from other producers?
>
> Thanks in advance for your attention to these
> questions!
>
> Darin
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> This message was sent by an unregistered or non
> logged in user.
>
> Sent 10:41 PM, Apr 08th, 2003 from I.P. Address
> 205.188.208.42
>
__________________________________


It is interesting to me that he did not address how he knew that calico males did not show the mutation but were carriers of the gene. Perhaps he just misread what I asked, or overlooked it . . . I can't say for certain. Anyway, you all can decide for yourself whatever questions you might have concerning Peter's integrity.

By the way, [email protected] is another of my email addresses, but I usually only use [email protected] for snake business. Just in case any of you who know my addresses were wondering. ;)
 
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