• Responding to email notices you receive.
    **************************************************
    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

    =====================
    Posted 08/15/2025
    =====================


    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

    =====================
    Addendum: 01/10/2026
    =====================


    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

any one ever delt with 88reps (canyonreptiles)

Check it out

Here is a picture from a skinhead website which incorporates some features of Adams E-mail address along with "Sieg Heil" which is how he signed a thread post.
 

Attachments

  • 1488.bmp
    48.9 KB · Views: 172
A core belief

Of the White supremisist movement are that White Europeans, not Jews, are Gods chosen people. Jews are children of Satan. All Non-Whites are "Mud People" with no soul.
 
If I'm a mud person I think that the chosen people should pay the IRS and not me. And they need to be the ones sent off to war to defend our country, not me. And they should be the nurses, the cops, the teachers, the churchgoers.

Let them do the hard work, pay the taxes. Mud? Mud? By the time they get through doing some REAL work instead of shooting off their mouths, they'll be lining up to be mud.....


Lucille Hollander
 
Probably not......

The thing is like i said if it wouldnt of been for here in this thread i would not of known about adams previous doings,Other than what i have read here, dealing with adam was just like many of the other buisness deals ive done.

While i may not codone what adam believes in ,or some of the methods hes uses/used, I didnt know this at the time not sure what would have caused me to ask about his racist feelings and all that before recieving snakes from him ,but when i dealt with him i had no reason not to wanna do buisness with him again.

But as this thread grows and grows,Im pretty sure I will not do buisness with adam again,But the info that i have gathered in this thread is the reason why!
As i said the when i dealt with adam previous it was ok,i have done/declined buisness with people that acted and treated you a whole lot worse.

Not to mention why would anyone want to get involved in all this drama that seems to be surronding adam.I wont do buisness with him,and wont be involved in this thread anymore,And please everyone dont look down upon me for doing buisness with someone,I didnt want involved in all this.So thank you everyone for showing me all about adam. Thanks Jed
 
And please everyone dont look down upon me for doing buisness with someone,
Click to expand...
I don't look down upon you at all, Jed. You had every reason to post the outcome of your deal with Adam, and you had no way of knowing about his racist views prior to this thread. Even if you continue to do business with him, that's your prerogative. I appreciate that you took the time to read this thread and understand how people's opinions were formed about Adam. It's not just the racism, it's not just the illegal shipping, it's not just the lying, it's not just the sloughing off of responsibility.......it's all of those things taken together.
 
Ms Terese
What i am saying is that from my dealings with adam,from me emailing,talking with him on the phone,etc i would have not known,he didnt show me any harm ,he didnt show me any disrespect,he didnt ask me what color or nationality i was or what religion i was so as to decide whether i was worthy of doing buisness with him.

Am i to believe you think that adam is the only racist,Im guessing here but id say they take all shapes colors and forms,you dont want to do buisness with a racist? I agree but they would have to present themselves to me as a racist before im doing buisness with them or during for me to not wanna do buisness,like i said i dont agree with adam but i dont agree with you making it out like i did something wrong,Anyone can be like him ,the guy at the gas station,the guy cooking burgers at hardees,the woman at the ups office,etc. anyone you deal with can be like that they just might not express there hatred and of course they just havent had a forum opened up on fauna about it.But be sure that i will thouroghly research any one i come into contact with during buisness after all this!Thanks for all the insight you all have provided.Truely wish i would have stayed nonexistent for this one! LOL
 
Thank you ms terese
Totally understand and everyones points are well taken,atleast from my end of it!Thanks again to all for all the information i have obtained in this thread! Thnaks Jed
 
oldherper said:
Unbelievable.

Jed,
The whole IDEA and PREMISE of racism is wrapped around harm and disrespect. Racists are, by nature, disrespectful and harmful. It's what they do and what they live for. I know this by personal experience. My uncle was a security guard for the Grand Dragon of the Invisible Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1960's. I grew up with the venom and hate that these people preached. I was dragged along to rallies a time or two (an effort to educate the Youth of the South, you know?). I saw how they hid behind masks and tried their best to terrorize anyone who was different from them or held different beliefs. I didn't understand it as a kid and I don't tolerate it as an adult. I've seen cross burnings and my uncle was involved in a murder trial in 1963 in Mississippi as a result of his involvement in this madness. Don't tell me there's no disrespect or harm...there most certainly is. These people are mentally ill and I have no desire whatsoever to do business with any of them. If we find that someone is openly a racist or skinhead or whatever in this business, hounding them to the end of the earth, if that's what's required to purge our community of it, is perfectly justified. We should be their worst nightmare. We should make them regret their very existence. Stalking? You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Click to expand...
Exactly if we "find someone to be openly racist or skinhead",What i said once again was when i did buisness with him i didnt know about any of this,and didnt read it until yesterday,My post was strictly based on my one and only transaction with him.I never said racism is great,I never said i agreed with adams thinking or practices,I never said anything about you all "stalking him" or progressively hounding him.Im done doing buisness with adam, but im not going to be a part of "the stalking we havent seen yet"
So once again thank you all for the info obtained in this thread,I have learned alot actually But thats all i can say Thanks Jed
 
tenneseejed said:
Exactly if we "find someone to be openly racist or skinhead",What i said once again was when i did buisness with him i didnt know about any of this,and didnt read it until yesterday,My post was strictly based on my one and only transaction with him.I never said racism is great,I never said i agreed with adams thinking or practices,I never said anything about you all "stalking him" or progressively hounding him.Im done doing buisness with adam, but im not going to be a part of "the stalking we havent seen yet"
So once again thank you all for the info obtained in this thread,I have learned alot actually But thats all i can say Thanks Jed
Click to expand...

Understood, Jed. No problem. And, I agree...I don't much care what people believe, as long as they don't shove it in my face or try to be intimidating. Their beliefs are their right, and I think that's what I spent my time in the military defending...among other things. What I (and I think most people on here) have a problem with is the flaunting of racist beliefs. That's meant to do nothing but intimidate people. Problem is, I don't scare easily...he can bring it on any time he feels like it. HE is the one that brought his beliefs to everyone's attention. He did that with his screen name, and by signing off posts with "SEIG HEIL!" I don't know if the immature little twit thought he was impressing people or being cute or what...all it did was seal his fate. His lying didn't help matters any either, but what else would you expect from someone who professes to be part of a group of cowards? Had he kept all that garbage to himself, he might have stood a chance. HE chose this.....

You had no way of knowing what he stood for...nobody harbors any ill feelings toward you at all. You did business with someone who advertised animals you wanted, plain and simple. Your experiences with him were good. No problem there. I applaud you for taking a stand and saying that you won't do business with him again after finding out what he's about. That's what any rational person would do.

Maybe one day he'll grow up and learn that honesty and respect for the law and other people will get him where he wants to go. I hope so. Until then we don't need him and people like him tainting this business.
 
Ophis said:
Let me throw a little light on Adams E-mail address meaning. DOC1488@etc...
DOC= Disiples of Christ. A racist skinhead gang in the movie American History X. This movie is a skinhead cult classic and some skinheads tatoo DOC on their bodies. 14= represents the phrase "14 words" the 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people, and a future for white children". 88= Heil Hitler. Anyone who uses DOC1488 as his or her E-mail address is most likely a hardcore racist skinhead or neo nazi.
Click to expand...
Thank you for enlightening us on the meaning behind the name. Somehow I wish I had remained in the dark regarding all of it.

Indeed I find it troubling that every aspect of the name that Adam uses to conduct business is associated with neonazi beliefs.
 
one thing to remember...

I keep reading the same words and want to try and clarify something. When people say “don’t combine peoples personal views with their business practices" I think they should. If you purchase anything from someone with the values and morals as ADAM has, you are inadvertently supporting his beliefs by providing him with more money to continue his efforts. Let me give you an example, When you buy cookies from a girl scout your not only helping out the girl scout cause but your inadvertently helping the cookie company profit from it as well because in the end they will receive some of the profits as well, Do you see the correlation I am trying to show you?
When you buy reptiles from Adam you will be giving him the money to support his views and beliefs, so don’t be naive in thinking you can separate the two without one having an effect on the other.
There are a lot of good breeders/wholesalers/pet shops out there to buy from without having to use someone like this.

Just my point of view.
 
Well put, Nicholas.
You do have to remember that money in Adam's pockets will go towards the purchase of weapons, hate literature, etc...hopefully not to a rented truck and a load of fertilizer... Those "nice young men" certainly pulled a job, with money that came from their work, where people overlooked the skewed perspective that the two of them had of the government, because, "it wasn't their business..."
To disagree with the government, and protest? Everyone's right in this country...
To threaten violence, and have an agenda whereby all coloured people are either exterminated or expelled by any means necessary, and overthrow our democracy? Uh...doesn't that make you a terrorist????
greg
 
55 pages on this thread,and MOST of it is useless CRAP(considering what this forum is SUPPOSE to be about).This is not the place to ridicule what one beleives in(unless it has to do with reptiles).Not that I condon what he believes in,there are other places for this talk.Tho I notice one person on this thread that just will not let it go,and to that person,it seems you need to get a life.Lets get this thread BACK on track.
Mike wampole
(boafanatic.com)
 
Peruvianfanatic said:
55 pages on this thread,and MOST of it is useless CRAP(considering what this forum is SUPPOSE to be about).This is not the place to ridicule what one beleives in(unless it has to do with reptiles).Not that I condon what he believes in,there are other places for this talk.Tho I notice one person on this thread that just will not let it go,and to that person,it seems you need to get a life.Lets get this thread BACK on track.
Mike wampole
(boafanatic.com)
Click to expand...

You know Mike, if you don't like it, you are under no obligation to read it. As near as I can tell, the purpose of this forum is to provide information from which a person can make an informed decision as to with whom he chooses to do business. I would say that the target of this thread has made his racial beliefs a part of the way he does business. He (in a veiled manner) announces his beliefs and associations in the very NAME OF HIS BUSINESS. His tactics of trying to cover the truth and lying when confronted with issues goes directly to his credibility and the way he will do business. Knowing his affiliations and beliefs, it is entirely possible that part of the money he makes from doing business goes to support subversive anti-government and terroristic groups. As such, these are valid considerations in whether one should do business with him. HE had made these things a part of it, not us. So, I would argue that you are dead wrong in this...this thread is entirely on subject.
 
The purpose of the B.O.I...Hmmmm

Peruvianfanatic said:
55 pages on this thread,and MOST of it is useless CRAP(considering what this forum is SUPPOSE to be about).This is not the place to ridicule what one beleives in(unless it has to do with reptiles).Not that I condon what he believes in,there are other places for this talk.Tho I notice one person on this thread that just will not let it go,and to that person,it seems you need to get a life.Lets get this thread BACK on track.
Mike wampole
(boafanatic.com)
Click to expand...


From the top of the BOI forum...

Rules for Posting on the BOI <-- REQUIRED READING!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: Please note that some of the rules mentioned here are SITE WIDE, and not limited in scope merely to the BOI.

This forum is designed to serve the purpose of giving anyone interested in the buying and selling of herptile related merchandise the opportunity to inquire about, or find already existing information concerning a person or business with whom they are considering doing business with.

(BAD GUY) - someone or some business that should be avoided. Provide FACTS supporting this opinion.
( ADAM provided enough facts for us)

Racist / Prejudicial Remarks - 6 points
Pretty self explanatory. No one really likes to see this sort of thing and this site is no exception. This is another warning event that that you need to take heed of. Generally a second offense will mean a suspension.


Just showing you what the rules that webslave has layed out to follow, We are just giving the reasons why not to do business with this person. when i am thinking about doing business with someone I would like to be presented with as much information as possible. this is exactly what we are doing for all forum members here.
 
88reps--Adam

Mike wampole
(boafanatic.com)

With all due respect Mike, I disagree. If Osama bin Ladin was selling repiltes to furthur his lifestyle, would it be wrong of this board to point out that doing business with him was not a good idea? I know this seems like I'm stretching a point, but not really. Both are fanatics about their hatred for people that are different from themselves. And both use their funds to further
their beliefs. So I think this thread is right on track.
 
I definitely think it is appropriate to express our feelings when the person involved is involved in reptile commerce. That is what this board is for..

I, for one, have learned much from this thread that I did not realize previous. I had never really been aware of 'skinheads' although I am aware (and disapprove of) racial prejudice. After visiting some sites and asking my friends about all this, I have come to the conclusion that it would be a terrible thing to support anyone with these beliefs.

Of course, in America, anyone is entitled to believe what they want; but I believe that racism is wrong, and I choose not to support racism with any reptile purchases I might make.

Right before Christmas, unaware of the depths of hatred these sorts of groups espouse, I was even willing to find forgiveness in my heart if this person changed his ways. He didn't, and somehow I do not think he will. He would not apologize to Dennis for his ugly language, and he turned tail and ran, not even willing to stand up for his (wrong) beliefs on the board.

So all in all, I got an education out of this thread, and it is appropriate that it should be here.

Lucille Hollander
 
Just a thought...

"...But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too." Matthew 5:10-12, 44-45

That is why we can say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper, so I will nto be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?" Hebrews 13:6

"But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong." 1 John 1:9

"Be strong and courageous! Don't be afraid of them! The Lord your God will go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor forsake you." Deutoronomy 31:6

"My dear brothers and sisters, be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. Your anger can never make things right in God's sight." James 1:19-20

"Don't worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. If you do this, you will experience God's peace, which is far more wonderful than the human mind can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live Christ Jesus." Phillipians 4:6-7
 
It does seem that Adam was the one to bring about the whole question of racism, no one else..and the threats were issued by Adam, and the denials, and the cries of "wolf", and then the whole bit about how he can change, etc...what a load of rubbish he wrote !
If, Mike, you think that this has nothing to do with purchasing reptiles, that is your decision...others have different opinions about dealing with racists, that is all...I know quite a few of us here in AZ won't be working with Adam at all, just based on HIS posts, and not the replies from other members...
For you to say it is a "load of crap" is odd...why? Questions were asked, and never answered, or were answered in couched rhetoric that smacked of violence. Why should that be considered a "l.o.c.?"
greg
p.s. B the Web, I have a copy of the bible, thanks.
 
Back
Top