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Anyone see this ad on KS????

This kid needs serious help. It seems he is a follower of B. Smith up in Oregon the famous or infamous hacker. Which reminds me, Has anyone heard whether or not he got tagged by a puff or not?? I hope this wasn't a rumor as I would love to get a big laugh out of that punck getting tagged.
 
Oh correction because they don't trust us enough here to edit our own posts. I was meaning to say K. Smith not B. Smith, so sorry for the confusion.
 
no way

These venomoiders never listen to reason. Let's, metaphorically, hammer this punk with the long arm of the law.

If his story is true (cough, cough), his relative can kiss his vet license good-bye.

Virginia, eh? The search begins...
 
b smith

Dont worry, Brian, it works well your way too. b smith is the alias of a notorious scammer in California. His real name is damon heynen-a convicted murderer (no joke).

so, kevin smith got drilled? The sweet irony of it all...
 
Wow, This post took off huh???? LOL Scott, thanks for the heads up about the pic thing...... It seems provoiders do this from time to time...... Tanith know this better than me.....
 
You all know how I feel about these hackers......There is no room in the hobby for them IMO

Now onto this kid. I doubt he has half or even 3/4 of the stuff he says he has. He is posting other peoples pics and saying he has this and that. I doubt it.

And I seen that he said he had a Mang and and said he has no venomous that or still hot. WTF.............. What next............Really? I seen a King that has been hacked for sale on KS. WTF...........

IF YOU CAN NOT HANDLE A HOT DO NOT BUY ONE...........

Knowledge is power and this kid is showing no knowledge. He is in way over his head here and thought he would be cool by saying something. He got caught and changed the story then got caught yet again in something messed up and changed it again....................

Here is advice to this kid. If you never lie then you never have to remember what you said................

Hackers will get what they deserve!!!!!!!!!
 
Okay folks, it's time for me to put on the moderator hat and remind y'all to tone down the rhetoric. The last thing I want to do right now is lock down a thread.

The topic of venomoids quite justifiably makes most serious herpers' blood boil, but persuasive arguments often tend to yield better results than ad hominem. As he's 15 and relatively inexperienced, it would be far more purposeful to educate rather than alienate. I know it gets tiresome at times, but let's try to put a bit more effort into genuinely educating our young, misguided member before going for the jugular, m'kay?

And to Mike, understand that the reason your comments have so many people up in arms is that they have a genuine respect for these animals. These aren't people whose knowledge comes from a TFH book or secondhand misinformation. Many of the folks who've responded here, myself included, have been seriously working with venomous reptiles longer than you've been alive.

To make an analogy, hacking out part of a snake's head for fun and profit is pretty much on par with amputating a lizard's legs to prevent it from escaping because one is either unwilling or unable to provide it with secure enough housing. Yes, it can survive like that, but that still doesn't justify unnecessary and disfiguring surgery.
 
Re: b smith

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so, kevin smith got drilled? The sweet irony of it all...
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That is what the rumor mill has out. Still no confirmation as of yet.
 
Myself and a few others have done some checking in to Kevin I flip Burgers Smith's bite and have yet to confirm it. I do know that NO AV that would be used for Bitis was called for to be sent to OR. That is not proof however one way or another but I suspect it is a rumor and not fact.

Based on His High profile on the net and his living area the bite would have at bare minimum generated some sort of publicity I would imagine. It is only a matter of time though before he does get a bite and then he will be in deap Burger grease.
 
I didn't realize he was a minor. Okay, call off the legal dogs on the kid, but if this veterinarian does exist then the local regulatory boards need to have a chat with him.

I really cannot see a veterinary professional allowing a 15 year old to assist in surgeries on venomous snakes. If there really is a vet doing that, he is risking extremely serious consequences. If the kid was bitten, that would pretty much be it for the vet's career. If the animal died and the owner pursued a legal case for negligence, same story. I'm inclined to believe that the vet doesn't exist.

Understand that venomoid surgery is very serious and invasive, a lot worse than a root canal in a human. Ever had major dental work done? Bet it hurt, even if the dentist gave you pain relief medication. Imagine how much it would hurt if somebody did it with a razor blade and no pain medication or anesthesia. That's how most snakes get venomoided.

So yeah, we get pretty upset when people come on the forums talking about how easy it is to do this horrible thing to a snake because they don't want to bother learning how to care for it properly. Hopefully a lesson will have been learned here about how responsible reptile keepers regard venomoiders.
 
woah..... truthfuly...this has changed alot of things that i think..but i did go get a book about legal procedures, and venomoid surgery, etc.... In this last 50 pages or so...alot have people made me think about this stuff...so i kind of want to end this post... but half of the stuff you told me i had NO IDEA... Truthfully i will consider working back up to venomous snakes with other somewhat venomous...but i guess everyone here probably does know alot more than me, i've only kept snakes for about five years..but i just want everyone to calm down :) and give me some advice if that is what you people would rather me do.....sorry....:bandhead0
 
Hey Mike-

When I was your age I knew a well known Herpetologist that kept Venomoids. I visited him at his house and was in "awe" of his collection that you could "handle". During my visit I reached into a cage containing a 5' Atrox and handled him. The feeling I got from the snake was amazing and when I got home that's all I could think about. I wanted a venomoid in the worst way!

I ended up doing a little research and talked to some folks in my Herp Society that I had looked up to and decided that I didn't want a venomoid anymore. The "feeling" I got when holding that snake was at it's expense. There is no need for that animal to suffer and go through what he went through. I have been fascinated with Crotalus since I was a kid and I have never kept a single one for a reason.That reason not being set-up properly.

There are a few websites you should check out and learn as much as you can. If you have an interest in Hot animals then I would encourage you to move forth and become a responsible and respectful keeper.

Without sounding too cheesy.....Hopefully you will continue to learn and do what's right. There are alot of kooks out there in this hobby. You still have a chance not to be one of them.

Take it easy-

BThacker
 
Michael,

First off, I'd like to apologize for the animosity exhibited in most of my posts. In retrospect I was a bit harsh. But I hope this shows you how this strongly this subject is felt about in the responsible venomous community. If you come to venomous keepers' board and start boasting about having snakes voided, you are gonna get attacked, big time. I'd venture to say that there are ZERO provoiders who regularly frequent this forum board for just that reason.

What can I say about the surgery that hasn't been said? Well, nothing. There are well over 50 replies to this thread, and 90% have to do with venomoids. Do yourself a favor and read over some of them.

Just remember the whole reason you got into keeping snakes: a love for the animal. How can you love something yet subject it to pain, suffering, and possible death? You can't. People who keep venomoids are impatient, greedy, uncompassionate people, and if you want to get any respect in the venomous community, or even the responsible herp keeping community in general, you'd do best by staying far, far away from being grouped with the voiders.

Anyway, I realize you're just a kid, and we all make mistakes, especially around your age. I know I have :( Here's you chance to redeem yourself...you might not be able to keep venomous right now, but so what, wait a while...it'll be worth it. You're young and have all the time in the world to enjoy this hobby, there is no need to rush in...get some real training, and when you finally get your first hot, you'll be proud that you are able to keep an animal like that intact and unharmed, and keep yourself safe in the process. Good luck.
 
Yesterday i got rid of my venomous snakes and gave them to a herpotologist that could monitor them for any problems, and i have read every post on this thread, and thats why im feeling this way about what you all have said to me.... I'm keeping my mangrove and hognoses and only mild venomous snakes though...and all my other non venomous, because i do love the hobby, ive never had the surgery done to any snake that is not REALLY venomous...such as my mangrove or hognoses, they are still the same way they were born, but im sorry...and i learned a lot.

Nobody was harsh on me....and i know why anyone was if they were harsh. but i don't know why that guy came on here talking about my last name...lol:D Anyway thank you for the "lesson". And i guess I will work my way back up to venomous snakes who will stay venomous....Thank You.


P.S.-I think this is the longest post ive ever seen. And if anyone wants to add me to their buddy list, i could use the help every once in a while....lol This is definitley the longest post ive ever caused also....:D:eek3:
 
Getting rid of




<-----him was definitley one of the most hardest things ive ever done...but what you all have said truthfully did make a difference...i never thought i would really take anyone's advice on a forum.....





I guess im not always right either.....
 
Michael,

No one hear told you you had to get rid of the snakes, but if you felt you wanted to because of the information here, that is fine...we just want you to stop being involved in the purchasing or production of venomoids from here on out...

I think you've got a good head on your shoulders. With the proper training and maturity, you will make a fine hot keeper one day.
 
well i did feel that way, but after somone mentioned they could get hurt, even though now i realized i've already hurt them enough, that i think i should give them to someone who can monitor them to make sure nothing's wrong. but i will eventually get back into the venomous and learn how to do it the right way...thanks... No more non-venomous venomous snakes for me...lol sorry for any trouble i caused besides the trouble i caused on myself.
 
Thank you.

Well thats why im on here. and thank you for everything also BThacker....
 
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