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or is it all morphs these days?

If you have pure locality animals post them.

I am in the process of acquiring a pair of F1 Cochise Co. Arizona Sonoran Gophers.
 
Heck ya, I am into locality.

Ocean Co, NJ northern pine.
Kingsville, TX red bull.
Davis Mtn. bullsnake (intergrade possibly)
Stillwater, OK hypo bullsnake.
 

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Damn...

Nice stuff, Billy! Is the last pic a Stillwater? It seems to have more white scales than most Stillwaters I've seen. I like that. Maybe you could expand on that through selective breeding. I have a few Kanks from Phil Peak and just got some Indiana black bulls(Jasper county) from Daniel Parker. I will eventually try to get pics up. I've always been drawn more toward the darker northern bulls. I like the contrast. If I may, I would like to start a potentially interesting discussion. A good friend of mine, and science teacher to boot, and I had a discussion regarding the pallidness of southern bulls as opposed to the darker northerns. He avers that it has to do with temps in respected environments(cooler in the north, hotter in the south). I disagree! I think most animals are engineered to survive through camoflage. More pallid to match the more open sands of the southern regions of bulls and darker in the north to blend in with the leaflitter and shade from the trees. Harder to spot??? Have at it!
 
My two cents first?

Snakes, when it gets to a temp warmer than they "like", will seek shelter underground where it is cooler, yes? When would you see a bull "exploring" in Texas? I would think that you would have a better chance of catching one when the sands start cooling off a bit. Perhaps early in the morning or late in the day. Northerns would most likely take advantage of the warm daytime temps when the sun is struggling to get through the foliage where they wait in ambush for unsuspecting prey. I suspect that many of their prey items in the wild are in synch with the serpents schedule. Any thoughts?
 
Thanks Chris! Yeah, the last pic is a true hypo Stillwater, OK bull.

Those are some good thoughts Chris!!
 
Thanks bud...

DISCERN said:
Thanks Chris! Yeah, the last pic is a true hypo Stillwater, OK bull.

Those are some good thoughts Chris!!
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Who's to say who is right or wrong on that topic? But I look at some of the incredible creatures that have evolved to adapt and blend with their surroundings, and I am in awe! Have you ever seen an orchid mantis in an orchid? Hard to spot! Or how about a cheetah hiding unseen in it's environs? Or moths that dissappear on a tree 'cause they blend right in with the bark. An accident? Either way, Pretty impressive! By the way, great Stillwater! Trust me, it's different, and a keeper. I gave up my two Crumbly reds to KJ who produced the reddest friggin' line of bulls I've seen. I am glad he was the recipient though. I respect him alot for a non-yankee, lol. Trust me, he'd get, and appreciate that. Anyway, It's just not the same as having a true locality red like Ginter's. I've often wondered, and don't doubt, that the Crumbly line was "kicked off" by a Kingsville. We'll never know.
 
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Who's to say who is right or wrong on that topic? But I look at some of the incredible creatures that have evolved to adapt and blend with their surroundings, and I am in awe! Have you ever seen an orchid mantis in an orchid? Hard to spot! Or how about a cheetah hiding unseen in it's environs? Or moths that dissappear on a tree 'cause they blend right in with the bark. An accident? Either way, Pretty impressive! By the way, great Stillwater! Trust me, it's different, and a keeper. I gave up my two Crumbly reds to KJ who produced the reddest friggin' line of bulls I've seen. I am glad he was the recipient though. I respect him alot for a non-yankee, lol. Trust me, he'd get, and appreciate that. Anyway, It's just not the same as having a true locality red like Ginter's. I've often wondered, and don't doubt, that the Crumbly line was "kicked off" by a Kingsville. We'll never know.
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Thanks!!
Yeah, KJ is a buddy of mine, and he does have incredible red bulls. What I like about them is that the black seems to be just screaming black against the hardcore red! Very cool!
 
DISCERN said:
Thanks!!
Yeah, KJ is a buddy of mine, and he does have incredible red bulls. What I like about them is that the black seems to be just screaming black against the hardcore red! Very cool!
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KJ has my utmost respect and always will, unless he doesn't finish and send me a signed copy of the Pit book he was?/is? working on. He will probably charge me more money for it because I am a "damn yankee bastard", lol. I lost contact when he moved back from Texas to L'WEESYANER! :reddevil: hopefully his offspring are true locality and not inbred morphs, lmao! Please PM me through Fauna and I will give you my phone number to give to him. You should call me too. Your a good kid. I'm older than yoyu so I'm allowed to call you kid.
 
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