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Aprylla Hall - Bad Guy

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So if Aprylla spent her personal money in her bank account, but not the money in the Paypal account to get her out of the storm, then she did not spend Shawns money. He caused the lockdown of her PayPal account so she really cannot refund him his money.
 
Hope this works.

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Aprylla said:
So, my plan of action right now is to wait for PayPal to refund Mr. Gilbert's money. AFTER his money is refunded, I will re-post the snakes for sale and find someone else who wants to purchase them.

Sounds smart to me.

Aprylla said:
However, I am keeping the snakes in the event that PayPal were to tell me to send them instead and gives me access to the money in my account (stranger things have happened, so I want to be prepared for anything).

I, personally, think this is a bad idea and would probably result in more heartache. Let PayPal refund the money and then you both can go your separate ways. There's always going to be people buying snakes....so you'll be happy. There's always people selling snakes....so he'll be happy. It's better to just have PayPal send the refund and leave it at that.
 
That should show that I can't send or receive funds though that PayPal account.

Why it says "waiting for my response" on the checklist I don't know. Damien and I have responded to everything on the list, everything received by e-mail, and any other inquiries on there. I don't know if they have just not reviewed it yet or what? PayPal unfortunately is not known for their quickness to respond to inquiries or problems.
 
Quick question... and forgive me if it's a retarded one.... what happens when you hit the "Resolve" button after "Resolve all Complaints Against Your Account"?
 
Aprylla,
Forgive me if this has already been covered and I missed it but did you have the opportunity to refund Shawn's money when Paypal first contacted you about the complaint?
I wonder if since you supplied them with a tracking # (for the credit receipt) they interpreted that as you were disputing his claim. This caused them to lock down your account until the investigation was completed.
I believe that you would have been able to refund his money if you had admitted that the snakes were never shipped but since his allegations were disputed (He said he never got the snakes and you supplied a tracking #) everything got locked down. That's why my Paypal complaint went differently....the seller never disputed my complaint so he was able to refund my $500.

I don't believe that there are any "Bad Guys" here. I understand Shawn's concerns but it's pretty clear that you weren't out to rip anyone off. It's just an unfortunate situation that will take a little time to resolve itself.
 
man people just read the parts they want....
They just quote the parts they want.
I would sell his snakes to someone else and keep his d@mn money.

but then again maybe I am just pissed right now.
See the second part?
it means I really would not do it.
It means I was just saying it because I was mad that the guy was so selfish.
 
my point is people make mistakes....
in her case with all the huricane stuff......she really had no choice.

the guy wanted his animals....then he will lift the complaint.

She can't ship animals until the complaint is lifted (fed ex tied to pay pal)
sounds like neither side can move. And to those who say.....send cash or money order.
What if the only money she had was in pay pal?

Sopmetimes the .25 cents in my paypal account is actually bigger than the amount I have in my bank account. Actually that is not sometimes...it is most of the time.
 
I am not proposing anything here, just posting out loud what my though processes were"
in hopes that by READING what was going through my my, you would understand why I was reluctant to cancel the complaint without receiving shipment shipment. Why is it so easy to defend the position that not to ship because I might not cancel the complaint AFTER I had sent the money in the first place, but impossible to defend the position not to cancel the complaint after having sent payment, been told animals are all dead, and seller refuses to ship the replacements without me making concessions.
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in my case it is easy.
because up to now there are a couple people out there who owe me some snakes. it has been so long...1-2 years that they have probably forgotten by now. in fact there were three of them.....I forgot the other two....but I do remember one company who owes me two female adult ball pythons.

anyway I wish the two of you luck.
in my OWN opinion. you are two good people who got caught in a very unfortunate circumstance because of what you had to go throuwh with OTHER people.

I bet if the two of you took a chance and went on ahead and trust the other person..... I bet the two of you would really get along.

peace out.
it has been brought to my attention that I am in rare form.....
and they were right. I do need to ground myself
 
Holy cow folks, I know that this has become an extremely long thread, but unfortunately people seem to be jumping in without reading the whole thing because of its length. Just taking bits and pieces and then forming and posting opinions about it. At the risk of lengthening things further I will try to address some of the inconsistencies I noticed. Unfortunately, I am not adept at copying yous quotes here like the erst of you so I will attempt to paraphrase. If I don't get the EXACT wording please don't take it as an attack.
Many people have attacked the post in which I itemized the series of events that lead to my decision making process. Please READ it before commenting. As I stated, none of it was intended as each item being a critical wrongdoing, only a series of events that, in their totality, caused me concern.
Ritchie Luna- You took the first two items and blew them way out of proportion. Those were the first two items that occurred in the series and were ON my mind, but not a cause for concern yet. Yes, I though of the possibility of shipping before she left. I also posted my thought process that there wasn't time and wrote that that was ACCEPTED by me. I also thought that there might have been a possibility to ship them from where she went (She had privately told me that she was going to her mother's.) I am sorry that I am not clairvoyant and did not know she and her mother had gone in opposite directions. In either case, if you read my "Thought process" I still dismissed this as being too inconvenient and ACCEPTED that as well. I BEGAN to get suspicious when I was told from an "experienced herper" that the animals had died. Events continued to unfold as I listed in the "items" list. That list was simply things I had taken into consideration at that point. If you read the e-mails, she sent the mass e-mail telling everyone that she was leaving. Fine. She sent a mass e-mail upon her return stating she would be gettin in touch with everone by that evening. Fine. Even when she didn't get in touch with me that evening, I still had no cause for concern- I simply believed she was too busy. If you take the time to read the e-mail posts you will see that my only contact her the following day was:

"Just checking on the status?"
I get it NOW. I can see where that would be considered insulting and antagonistic. Heartless BAST**D I came across there!

By the Way, Ritchie has over 3,700 posts and a rep power of 97. That should instill confidence in a buyer, yet his proposal is:
Sell the snakes to someone else and keep his &*^% money.
Lets see, Isn't that the exact thing I stated I was trying to protect myself from?!!!

Thanks for making my point for me Ritchie, you have shown the exact situation I have been trying to express to everyone my thoughts led me to believe COULD have happened.

JamesWilson-
Where do I begin? Jump the gun, jump the gun, jump thegun, jumpthegunjumpthegunnnnnn

If you would read my thought process list you would see, I checked the rules with PayPal and found out that even if I filed the complaint I would NOT GET A REFUND if there was not enough money in the sellers account to make it. So the issue is not whether I still had time to make the complaint thirty days later, It was whether I gave a stranger time to empty the account and leave me no recourse.
As for being somehow motivated to "Punish her because she did not give me the number of her wholesaler" all I can say is READ THE THOUGHT THREAD AND THE E-MAILS. I explained that I simply wanted some assurance that I would be getting CB animals not imports. In the "thought" I explained that had she simply said "I don't want to give out the number of my wholesaler" that would have been sufficient. She did not, she replied she would be away. Again, all by itself not an incriminating item, but another item in a long list that led me to believe there was a possibility she could have been like RITCHIE LUNA! and been planning to keep everything.
Aprylla-
1. Talk about me being repetitive. Enough already, we are ALL sorry you had to leave for the hurricane, including ME. You have gone on and on and on and have our sympathy. Again the "thoughts" list was neither an attack nor a demand that you respond and explain yourself AGAIN. I realize that the weather is something you have no control over and is not your fault, but neither is it mine. While you had been victimized by the storm, now I was being victimized too.
2. You quoted me very accurately when I stated I had every intention of fulfilling every aspect of the deal we made and "would be happy to cancel the complaint upon receipt of the animals" That was my intention all along. I never intended to renege on our deal. I had already sent you the money once. What did I ever say or do at that point to cause you to believe I would not cancel the complaint when I received the animals.
3. Many people stated that this requires open discourse on the part of the buyer, but when I opened up to tell you all what was going on in my mind and led me to feel I needed some protection I get a scathing rebuttal from you in which you launch personal attacks.
"you must be a very small person in the reptile business"
If that was meant as an insult, it missed the mark. You are correct, I AM. I never represented myself as anything else. I began this hobby just about two years ago, but in that time have been burned by some of the "Big" people as was explained in the e-mail posting for anyone who has the energy to look back that far and READ BEFORE COMMENTING.
As for scouring the forums to find something from me, you could have read the first sentence in my post "Sorry, new to posting"
Or a later one where I volunteered that I was a newbie and had NEVER posted ANYTHING ANYWHERE.

Junkyard,
This is a small one. In the e-mails (again, read) she actually TOLD me at one point one of my options would be to file a complaint with PayPal to get a refund "But since her account was zero, she assumed they would debit her account. That was where the threads began about her spending the money. The funds in the account were additional at some point later.

By the way, I don't have a problem with that and everyone should drop that issue. I sent it to her, it was hers to do with as she needed. I just wanted something in return.

That's all I can remember at this point. Whenever I try to go back and read I somehow lose my posting and have to start over again.

Anyhow, since Aprylla keeps saying she has answered the same questions over and over again, I feel I have a right to say the same. The biggest issue against me seem to be that I filed a complaint too soon when I had lots of time to do it later. Once and for all- as I explained in my "thoughts" list. I had checked with PayPal and the rules told me I WOULD NOT GET A REFUND IF THE SELLER'S ACCOUNT DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO COVER IT.
Aprylla has explained that she was able to accept money from someone off of E-Bay because she had set up a separate account. Again this is one of my points. I'm not saying she did anything wrong, I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for someone to start over from scratch under another account and leave me holding air.
So the timeliness of the complaint had nothing to do with how much time I had to file a complaint, but my likelihood of actually getting funds from that account before it was vacated.

Anyway, my whole point in keeping the complaint open was solely an attempt to protect myself in the event that the animals were never shipped after a long series of screwy circumstances arose and left me feeling scared and helpless with no money and no product.
What I had wanted was some sort of assurance. In a small way, this forum has helped to give it to me. At the very least, a written dialogue that along with the e-mails now gives me at least a paper trail of event that I feel would give me strong stand (in the court of public opinion if not a court of law) if she failed to do as she says.

In Aprylla's scathing retort, she end with giving me an ultimatum, stating that she would ship the snakes if I dropped the complaint. With so many new "witnesses" I finally feel I have enough assurance to do that. Somehow, after trying to explain how I arrived at my decision she ends with "I trust you now even less". While some of you may DISAGREE with me or my methods, I still feel that I have never done anything to deserve distrust but will cancel the complain within minutes of completing this post. There will be no further entries by me unless they are solicited from someone or the animals do not show up on Aug 2 as promised.
 
Okay, I'm breaking my own rule here. If you all want to jump in and call me a liar- go ahead.
Since I have never filed a complaint before, I have obviously never gotten to the point of canceling one. Just for everyone's information: In case you thought it was just a matter of canceling the complaint then re-opening it if the animals were not shipped, there was a dialogue telling me that when I canceled the complaint, I could NEVER file another claim against this transaction. I completed it anyway as I said I would. Just something to consider if any of you find youself in the same position (Or you choose to chastise someone elso who is.)
 
Shawn, do not feel as though everyone is out against you, there are current active posts of "Good Guys" who are really taking a beating. It is good to know you are taking care of things, with enough Witnesses you should not need to worry about Aprylla not coming through on her end. If she does not, then she will probably be given greif here. Let us know how this all goes, I am guessing you are going to take the animals. If you do take the snakes make sure you do not let the refund happen. Good Luck to both of you.

By the way, I must have missed where Aprylla said you have the option of filing a complaint with PayPal
 
Ritchie Luna

Shawn, because you are new to this sight and how the BOI works, I will cut you some slack. Ritchie Luna has been a very well known long term member of fauna and at one time a mod. He does not post often because he is fighting for our freedom!! That includes your right to post on this forum IE. your freedom of speech.
He is known as the ferrot for having the ability to sniff out any bad guy, check and cross check IP address, and a general gut instinct for for liar's scammer's and thieves.
If you think that pch101, criticalbill, JimO and DAND can be a little rough, Go Back 2 years ago into some of the old archives, and check out "the dirty dozen". Ritchie was one of them, they were quite a group of characters,that sought out the truth and were much more ruthless in their antics than the group here.
I know this is an off topic post, but Ritchie is not around much anymore and he is missed, at least by me.
 
Unbiased

I would just like to say i haven't had the pleasure of meeting either Ms.Hall or Mr.Gilbert
But i can really relate to Mr.Gilbert
I have been in his shoes and probably will be again
He sends his money To someone he doesn't know
She then procedes to give excuses on why she cant send them as agreed
Thats where most scams start
So now what should he do?
He wanted the snakes if he didnt how did she get his money?
So he did the only thing he knew how to protect himself
If someone you dont know told anyone to recall the comlaint to paypal and they would send the snakes or refund you,What would you do?
I would laugh my a$$ off

If anyone Knows the right thing to do in This matter please let me know!
Because i am about to go in to a similar deal with an unknown buyer(i already tried looking her up)
 
Junkyard,
I will interpret that loosely as a solicitation for response. I went back to the e-mails awrote it down verbatim since I can't seem to go back and forth without loosing my post and starting over. I wanted to make sure I had it right. It would seem everyone else missed it too or I'm sure someone would have pointed out that she had suggested it at least once.

Page 11, Aprylla's e-mail to me sent July 11, 11:12 am in part reads:

Also, since you paid through PayPal, obviously you are
free to file through them for a refund. I am not sure
how that works, but I am guessing that they would just
refund your $$ and make my PayPal account a negative
balance since there aren't any funds in it.

BTW, I guess I did a little of what everyone else did. I never bothered reading the e-mail that Jim posted for me since I knew what they contained. Unfortunately they were forwarded to him through my "sent items" folder and I suumed that each of Aprylla's e-mails that I was responding to would go with them. Unfortunately they did not. I'm not going to bother sending them now as it would be beating a dead horse, but a few of them were me asking questions about inconsistencies that you folks did not get to read, so maybe some of my responses would not have made since to you. Sorry for the shortcutting oversight.
 
Ritchie Luna said:
man people just read the parts they want....
They just quote the parts they want.

See the second part?
it means I really would not do it.
It means I was just saying it because I was mad that the guy was so selfish.

You know I felt kind bad about my post after I left for work. Please accept a public apology from me.
 
Also, since you paid through PayPal, obviously you are
free to file through them for a refund. I am not sure
how that works, but I am guessing that they would just
refund your $$ and make my PayPal account a negative
balance since there aren't any funds in it.
I did miss that if it was posted earlier. However, I just want to be clear: Did you file a complaint with PayPal to ask for a refund, or to have the complaint on record in case you didn't receive the replacements?
 
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