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Info Arizona Exotics --- Payson, Az.

Well, this should make for a great first post! I've been lurking this thread and I have to say..... Jeremy, your entire argument became completely invalid as soon as you stated that the lizard was not the pet shops responsibility. If somebody takes in an animal, they have taken on the responsibility of caring for that animal. It's as simple as that.

That being said... The fact that they had an animal in such deplorable conditions on display speaks wonders about the store.
 
Nick Travers said:
Well, this should make for a great first post! I've been lurking this thread and I have to say..... Jeremy, your entire argument became completely invalid as soon as you stated that the lizard was not the pet shops responsibility. If somebody takes in an animal, they have taken on the responsibility of caring for that animal. It's as simple as that.

That being said... The fact that they had an animal in such deplorable conditions on display speaks wonders about the store.
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Hey Nick let me say welcome to this "annoying dragged out argument"�� idk how many more times we will have to explain the basic need of all living things for water especially in such a weakened state and that being in that weakened state also the need for a clean quiet warm place for ANY CHANCE of recovery but thanks for your input! You are right the second that lizard changed hands to them they took responsibility for it.
Hey maybe we are all wrong and next time one of my animals needs their water refilled or needs their home cleaned I'll just go get the person I bought it from to come take care of THEIR responsibility! I've been doing all this unnecessary work to keep them healthy when even tho they are in my possession I have no responsibility to em.
REALLY???
 
Nick Travers said:
Well, this should make for a great first post! I've been lurking this thread and I have to say..... Jeremy, your entire argument became completely invalid as soon as you stated that the lizard was not the pet shops responsibility. If somebody takes in an animal, they have taken on the responsibility of caring for that animal. It's as simple as that.
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I will admit, that I did misread something, so you are correct that it became their responsibility. But you are missing the point.

Brandonmarsh29 said:
Hey maybe we are all wrong and next time one of my animals needs their water refilled or needs their home cleaned I'll just go get the person I bought it from to come take care of THEIR responsibility! I've been doing all this unnecessary work to keep them healthy when even tho they are in my possession I have no responsibility to em.
REALLY???
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I was informed that there was water in the animal's bowl earlier.
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I was also told that they had soaked it several times.
 
Tom Pecanic said:
The rest is history: dry water dishes, delapidated animals, sunk in eyes, keeled scales, sheds left behind from lack of maintenance, stuck sheds, feces piled up, urates times 3 in each enviro, improper housing per species quals, algae buildup in some enviros that was scientific in proportions... Etc etc.
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Tom, again thank you, I am hoping that your expose will lead to positive changes whether that be an improvement in the store or convincing potential customers to go to a more critter friendly shop.
I've sent links to this thread to several people in Payson so that more local eyes will hopefully watch the situation.
 
If the shop only has about 25 animals on display for sale, it would literally take less than an hour to make sure they all had food, water, and their enclosures were at least cleaned up to some form of standard.

xxmonitorlizardxx, I do see where you are coming from when talking about giving water to a desert lizard. In the wild animals are able to search for water if they need it, unless water is provided in captivity, they don't have the option to look around for it. Water is the most basic of needs when caring for an animal. Sometimes animals in a weakened state won't eat, but will drink water. There's honestly NO excuse for having dry water bowls, specially when your employees are farting around the cash register not really doing anything.
 
Lucille said:
Tom, again thank you, I am hoping that your expose will lead to positive changes whether that be an improvement in the store or convincing potential customers to go to a more critter friendly shop.
I've sent links to this thread to several people in Payson so that more local eyes will hopefully watch the situation.
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Awesome! I'm just going to back off now iv said what I felt I needed and probably more. Lucille that was a cool thing to do thanks and also Tom thank you for bringing this up. I'm interested in knowing where things go I hope that they do what they gotta do for these animals who rely on the ppl who are caring for em.
 
I don't believe in trying to replicate natural conditions in a terrarium environment. My animals don't get sand substrate, eat lizards and frogs for meals, or have to burrow in the ground during winter. I provide them what's BEST for their survival.

They live in large clean enclosures with water 100% of the time. They have an absorbent paper substrate, thermostatically controlled environments, regular feedings of pre-killed rodents of consistent and proper size, etc. ad infinitum.

I don't know how many times I hear the argument "but in the wild...."

NO! That doesn't fly with captive animals. Sorry.
 
Brandonmarsh29 said:
Awesome! I'm just going to back off now iv said what I felt I needed and probably more. Lucille that was a cool thing to do thanks and also Tom thank you for bringing this up. I'm interested in knowing where things go I hope that they do what they gotta do for these animals who rely on the ppl who are caring for em.
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All that I do know is all 6'2" and 200 pounds of 'timid' ol' me is going to stop through that door within the next 30 days... and we will take it as it plays out this time! I held off on calling my Phoenix Police Department contact. I hope that was a smart decision in the end, Danielle, by me. Don't let me down!

And Jeremy Jonson, you're absolutely the dumbest Newb I've ever seen post... please refrain from posting on stuff like this, and owning reptiles based on your embarrassing comments... I'm wondering, didn't your parents teach you when grown folks are talking, to shut up... Let's see if I can get rid of him with this new spray I got!
 

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All that I do know is all 6'2" and 200 pounds of 'timid' ol' me is going to stop through that door within the next 30 days... and we will take it as it plays out this time! I held off on calling my Phoenix Police Department contact. I hope that was a smart decision in the end, Danielle, by me. Don't let me down!

And Jeremy Jonson, you're absolutely the dumbest Newb I've ever seen post... please refrain from posting on stuff like this, and owning reptiles based on your embarrassing comments... I'm wondering, didn't your parents teach you when grown folks are talking, to shut up... Let's see if I can get rid of him with this new spray I got!
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Haahahahahaha!:rofl::rofl:
 
And for Jim Bolar. I'm going to walk in running video when I do Jim... let them know that. I'm actually a nice guy, until you step on my brand-new white shoes, and then I get...
 
Tom, I might have missed this on the thread, but I'm curious. Did you notice if that collard lizard happened to have a price on it?
 
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Tom, I might have missed this on the thread, but I'm curious. Did you notice if that collard lizard happened to have a price on it?
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It was not for sale, they had a couple of other native Arizona species as well sitting and rotting away in their display cases...

Those were the most offensive. They were being kept in completely the opposite husbandry than they are used to in the wild...

That Collard lizard died, the reason that I only took that photo is because that was to show what is really going on over there...

The Yelp review from three years ago, actually has sparked a new interest in my concern with this store. What I saw was not an isolated mishap. It's ongoing, and daily I'm betting!
 
Tom Pecanic said:
It was not for sale, they had a couple of other native Arizona species as well sitting and rotting away in their display cases...

Those were the most offensive. They were being kept in completely the opposite husbandry than they are used to in the wild...

That Collard lizard died, the reason that I only took that photo is because that was to show what is really going on over there...

The Yelp review from three years ago, actually has sparked a new interest in my concern with this store. What I saw was not an isolated mishap. It's ongoing, and daily I'm betting!
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Were they not for sale because it's illegal in Arizona to sell or purchase native species (as it is here in Oklahoma without the proper permits)?

Did you go back to the store already and saw that the collared lizard died or were you told this? (Sorry if I missed it in a previous post)

Just trying to wrap my brains around the situation.
 
Celtic Constrictors said:
Were they not for sale because it's illegal in Arizona to sell or purchase native species (as it is here in Oklahoma without the proper permits)?

Did you go back to the store already and saw that the collared lizard died or were you told this? (Sorry if I missed it in a previous post)

Just trying to wrap my brains around the situation.
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It's illegal to sell natives here in Az. Possession can be had with a hunting license, I believe.

I was told by a mutual acquaintance that the Collard perished... Like I said earlier, I was shocked that it moved when I tapped on the cage.

Sad deal, Collards are so rewarding to keep and relate with.
 
Tom Pecanic said:
The Yelp review from three years ago, actually has sparked a new interest in my concern with this store. What I saw was not an isolated mishap. It's ongoing, and daily I'm betting!
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like I said before; these sort of situations are often ongoing. I have seen it before and I will probably see it again.
We just gotta keep taking out the trash in this hobby; report bad shops and get them shut down!
Talk is cheap. The shop owner said in 2011 They were moving and conditions would be better (as per customer's Yelp review). The shop owner now says they are short staffed and that is the reason for all this. Well, somebody must have let the bulls out because I smell BS.
These sort of death shops are just repeatedly cited and eventually the shop closes.
The sad part is that animals are dying in between citations.
People that own pet shops that neglect animals like this should be cited and held criminally accountable. They obviously do not care about living things.

All I have to say about Jeremy Johnson is: Missing what point? that it is sometimes OK to neglect animals? :notallthe SMH
 
My name is greg and have dealt with a&e for years. Never gotten a bad animal. The conditions in their shop have always been excellent.This person is obviously very ignorent to exotics, reptiles in particular. Stick to cats. Probably have better luck.
 
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