Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

[amercnwmn]

I'll post on here what I posted on rtb.com

Yvonne is aware of the situation, her pairings have been separated and the one gravid female she has she is going to keep all the babies until further notice. She has erased all sales from her site and will be getting her animals tested. She is very upset about all of this and has ceased posting pretty much everywhere.

I don't want to say anything more as it is not my responsibility nor really my business to state what she's doing. I just don't want people to start jumping on her like Ashley, she's not arguing, not denying, she is taking care of what needs to be taken care of.

Thanks, she had asked me not to share our conversation, so I was trying not to get into any specifics.... but I did want it out there that she is NOT taking the situation lightly.
I hate that this has affected her snakes, and apparently Kyle's snakes as well.
No telling how many other people have been possibly affected by any problems.

I hope no one's snakes test positive for IBD...

It's concerning enough there were some very serious other ethical and health conditions present.

 

[SakaraGT4]

As hypocritical as it may be... I simply don't understand how Yvonne can be "praised" for taking proper "precautions" with her stuff when she knew about the snakes and STILL bought snakes at a very fast rate, none of which were QT'd for the entire time I've known her, took in unknown rescue and pet store animals without QT, sold several snakes as well and would have still been breeding a few animals this season and selling them had her name not been brought up here about the possible issue...

I know, it is hypocritical on my part, but still... If I am being bashed on for this and she has done the EXACT same thing I did, should she not receive the same reaction and not be praised for it?

 

[Elizabethlea27]

I am sorry if I have hurt anyone, and I really hope that all the animals are fine and have no issues... I am still going to be testing my babies, but I think that's about it... Contrary to apparently a lot of ppl's belief, this wasn't a "get rich quick" thing for us... It was something that I thought would be fun to do and yea, I guess I got in a bit too quick... I guess after growing up the shitty way I did and being told I could never do shit made me want to try to 'prove that wrong', but I took it way too fast... And for that I'm sorry... Maybe some day later down the road I might be able to try again, the right way... But for now, I just want to get my babies tested and hope and make sure that I can finish raising them all to a long healthy life. I guess that's all I have... I wish you all the best.

Ok I don't know when a bad childhood let you commit animal abuse, or when it absolved you from personal responsibility. I suffer from severe PTSD related to childhood trauma and you don't see me blaming my mistakes on it.
Now if you want to apologize, at least do it properly. Admit you actually did something wrong, not this "if I hurt someone" fluff.
You have caused me huge, HUGE amounts of stress and heartache,especially because it triggered my PTSD - did I bring that into the BOI and whine? NO. But whatever. I'd rather you truly apologize to this little guy, who is just now really shedding all those mites YOU and YOUR inadequate care caused.

Here he is - and you can see your mites, dead on the paper towel around him.

Just in case you missed them, here are the mites in the tub of the boy you bred and sold me, I hope you apologize to him for the pain you caused when they drank his blood.

I want YOU to apologize to your own animals and the animals of everyone else who might die because of your lying, negligence, and blatant disregard as to their lives. If you cared ONE BIT, you never would have sold or bred another snake after the initial IBD confirmation, until your collection was clear. I am repeating myself.

I don't expect you are capable of a real, sincere apology - or of truly changing the way you treat your animals - because you really don't think you did anything wrong, even while me and other people who are totally unaware of this situation might lose entire collections which are actually cared about..

 

[natieb]

she knew about the snakes and STILL bought snakes at a very fast rate, none of which were QT'd (sic) for the entire time I've known her, took in unknown rescue and pet store animals without QT, sold several snakes as well and would have still been breeding a few animals this season and selling them had her name not been brought up here about the possible issue...

Citation needed.

Your history and lackluster husbandry precede you, but if you can name any questionable deaths, recurring mite infestations, or maybe a mild health issue in Yvonne's collection, it would make you look less like a vengeful ex-roommate with an ax to grind.

As it stands, the list of malignancies attributed to you is as long as my leg, and Yvonne's only crime was to trust you. Now both of your animals are under scrutiny, but don't delude yourself that it was anything she did to be in the position she is in now.

So... my question to the community is: at what point will Yvonne's collection be deemed clear of illness? It's been more than a year since the breeding loan where their boas were physically together. It's been at least seven months since they have been in the same building. Is it one year without incident? 18 months? What sort of tests need to be done? What are the chances that over 30 boas would be totally asymptomatic for that amount of time? I guess my question is, how can she regain the faith in the community enough not to get an OMGIBD link to this thread when she does decide to post an ad some time in the future?

 

[SakaraGT4]

I do understand natie... and she has had a death in her collection that was never path'd and has had a couple sick snakes... I believe there were mites on one of the rescues she took in too, which was treated when she got the snake... And I'm not trying to attack her... I'm only stating facts... And the way I see it, even if none of my snakes had ever had issues and even if they never do again, I will still be attacked because of less than adequate previous QT, which is completely my fault, yes... But I don't understand how it is wrong and bad that I did that, yet it's ok that someone else did? I guess that's just the part I don't understand... I had crappy QT, bad... I bought too many snakes too fast, bad... I sold snakes after having an animal die, bad... BUT... She had crappy QT, that's ok... She bought more snakes, faster than I did, but that's ok... She sold snakes after knowing about the possible issue, that's ok...

I'm NOT saying I'm innocent in that, I admitted that, I guess I just don't understand the double standard? That I'm bad for doing those things, but she isn't? Does that make sense? I'm not attacking, just not understanding that I guess...

 

[Abish]

While you are popping in to make sure Yvonne gets punished, I'd just like to let you know you missed the question about when and under what circumstances Phoenix died.

 

[Python Dreams]

You didnt just sell a snake after having an animal die! You sold a snake after having IBD reported as the cause of death!Thats just straight up Evil!

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Natieb, I have no personal problem with Yvonne but as someone who, like her, has snakes who were contaminated by Ashley's collection, I will be performing blood tests and biopsies on all snakes, to clear them. If they are negative consistently over two years (or more?) of repeated testing, then maybe I would feel better about the safety of my own,or her, collection. But if even one boa comes back positive... well I would have to decide whether to cull my entire collection on assumption they all have it.. or cull one at a time and have a completely closed collection until they are all dead. I see no other choice given to us. I see no breeding of my boas in the future, unless they TEST completely negative for inclusions for at least three years - not "LOOK FINE", or "DON'T DIE". So that's an outline of my newbish plan. I am open to input and will fine-tune/change it based on the needs of my animals and input from the more experienced herp community (thank you guys in advance), as I love them and would prefer them to live as long as possible - but the fact remains I would not breed until I can be sure I am clear of IBD. I am in no rush to breed, as inexperienced as I am, so either way clearing myself of IBD comes about I am just hoping for the best for my snakes. I would be content at this point in my life to care for the snakes I have until they die a natural death without breeding them ever - but, I will NOT sit back and watch them spend their last days writhing in agony. That is essentially why I will test consistently so that I can prevent suffering in those who test positive, and know if it is EVER going to be possibly in future to breed.

Ashley, you are the one who had CONFIRMED IBD in YOUR collection, then continued to IMMEDIATELY sell, buy, and BREED. Oh, and among that, you also sold snakes with mites, a huge vector of IBD. So while YES, Yvonne should be brought to light as someone to be warned about (and I hope she takes every measure to Q-T her entire collection, nothing in nothing out, for years until it is CLEARED), she is not you.
Seriously - if someone has a complaint about snakes sold from Yvonne, and wants to complain, they should start their own thread. But YOU, Ashley, are the one who gave my snakes mites, and bred my boas while your collection was exposed to IBD, and bought the parents of my boas after an IBD death, and while you were using NO QUARANTINE.

SO I apologize if I am not quite as outraged at Yvonne, as she didn't go to what seems every possible measure to ensure every snake in my collection might get IBD, all the while putting up an online pretense of knowledge and goodness that I, as a newbie, was completely fooled by. That rubs the wrong way a little too. Believe me, if I EVER see you on a forum again I will be posting a link to this thread any way I can.

You can try and put blame on someone else all you want but you still are the one who did the worst in this case.
Also, Yvonne was caled out on RTB.com as someone who had a contaminated collection. So I see this as nothing more than your typical childish "it wasn't me THEY are the meanies" behavior. This act is not working.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Oh yeah and I must have missed this amongst your hundreds and hundreds of threads posted on RTB.net of you and haze and whatnot... how did phoenix die? I want to hear what lie you come up with, to laugh at, but more than that, I want a necropsy report.

 

[amercnwmn]

I will still be attacked because of less than adequate previous QT, which is completely my fault, yes...

It would be GREAT if the only thing you were obviously guilty of, was improper QT. Unfortunately what I see is a myriad of lies, denial, irresponsibility and carelessness all for the sake of money.



[qote=Sakara]
I had crappy QT, bad... I bought too many snakes too fast, bad... I sold snakes after having an animal die, bad...
[/QUOTE]
I can't believe you are STILL trying to lie your way out of this.

*You listed snakes for sale 2 days after getting a necropsy that indicated IBD.

*You had crappy QT..Pictures & posts proved it

*You LIED about your QT procedures..pictures and posts proved it

*You LIED about having a pathology on Ruby, all you had was an exam

*You have YET to contact buyers which shows a complete lack of "give a hoot"

*You have YET to post the path reports you CLAIM to have on all the dead snakes.

*You LIED about the total number of dead snakes in your collection since the IBD death

*You LIED about the health of your snakes in your ads

*You LIED about not having mites

*You SOLD mite infested snakes

*You LIED about the Jamp stating it was healthy when it was PROVEN BY YOUR OWN WORDS NOT to be so

*You LIED IN YOUR ADS snakes for the Jamp regarding his temperment

*You LIED IN YOUR ADS about the Jamps breeding record, stating he was a 5X proven breeder, when the original owner listed him 10days Prior to your ad as a 2x proven breeder



Why on Earth would ANYONE believe ANYTHING you had to say about Yvonne or her collection?

This thread isn't about Yvonne because Yvonne, as I see it, was just as much an unwitting victim to your LIES and carelessness as anyone else. She is AT LEAST not denying there's a potential problem, and is taking steps to protect herself, and her future buyers.

Since YOU are here though, here's the questions everyone has been asking:

*Have you contacted any buyers?

*What happened to Phoenix? Is there a necropsy? Why was his death "hidden"? He would be one of the most recent death occurring sometime over the summer.

*Have you contacted the vet for those path reports and necropsies you claim to have had done on "all the other snakes that died"?

*Have you located the missing addendum to the Burm report?

*Have you been in contact with Dr. Jacobsen's office since the holidays are over?

*Have you started acquiring blood samples to send off?

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Ashley, instead of trying to take the heat away from your own wrongdoing and trying to place it on others, why don't you just concentrate on doing whats right and fixing the problems that YOU created?

Trying to bring down others with you doesn't do a thing to help the situation at all.

 

[sally-dog]

The only time Ashley posts on this thread is to try and put the blame on other people to make herself look less shady, or to "correct" information that is totally irrelevant to the situation at hand, or to respond to what she deems as threats.

I know to any person with a lick of common sense that observation is obvious, but I figured I'd just state that fact to the party responsible (Ashley herself).

She has not followed through with any of this thread other than the scenarios I've just pointed out. I will repeat myself again, that if she even cared about her animals, customers, or "business", she'd be following through with this thread.

Does anyone remember the thread about Jennifer Harris? That girl was faced with a similar situation but held her ground, and in the end did the right thing. Ashley lacks the intestinal fortitude to face the severity of the issue she has created.

Again, I'm merely stating the blatantly obvious, because it appears not to have sunken in with a certain someone.

As for Yvonne, I have talked to her as well, and I have gotten the same response as Sara. At least she is acknowledging that there is a problem going on and is trying to figure out methods to try and sort it out based on her situation. I would hope that she does post here, because the fact that Sara and myself have spoken with her is all hearsay/ third party information until she comes here and says it her self. On the flip side, I don't blame her for not wanting to get caught up with Ashley's BS again, but like others have stated- it can't harm her at this point to tell her side of the story.

I highly doubt we're going to hear about Phoenix, the last boa that has died. I recall Ashley saying a while back on this thread that she would obtain copies of the necropsy reports on the animals as soon as the vet opened (as it was over a holiday that that was brought up), but it has been over a week since then and she has come here and shown nothing... except that she likes to point fingers.

 

[AddictedToBoas]

That seems to be the truth sally-dog. In my opinion everytime she hops on here to badmouth someone it just shows her lack of character even more. At this point, I don't believe a word she says and I don't really care what she says unless it has to do with making things better. Even then I really don't care because it's probably not even true. I'm sorry Ashley, but you haven't proven yourself to be anything more than a liar

I have a lot more to say, but it seems like it doesn't need to be said as everyone else has already pointed it out. You will say anything to keep your plans on track and to make a buck, I wouldn't put it past you to have lied to someone who was once a friend.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

One more Set of questions for Ashley:

Can you provide evidence that you still own those corn snakes (that you did not re-sell rescues, as you claim?)
Where are the necropsies you say you lost, but could pick up from the vet at any time??

I agree with the others, you are nothing but a liar and never respond to substantive issues.

 

[DesertRat73]

Duty, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and Respect. These are qualities that are not only drilled into you in the military, they are demanded of you in EVERY aspect of your life! I am a veteran and fully disgusted that these two have tainted the great name of my brothers and our service. It's absolutely sickening to see soo much evidence to their lack of character. Shadow... if you haven't yet I hope you will set your wheel in motion. Every commander and shirt I have ever served with relished getting their hands on these type of people and getting them dealt with severely.

All you two creeps had to do is call Fed-Ex and have them issue a call tag, they would've picked them up at her door on your account, then put the money back in het pay pal. Simple and easily handled. Instead you duck, dodge, an yank Elizabeth around for weeks! Here's some basic character advise... when you are wrong YOU DO NOT DICTATE TERMS! You can consider yourselves lucky the DH snow I was interested in had recently been reserved. Had I received that snake you'd be facing a class action right now instead of a few individuals.

Elizabeth, if there is any help I can provide let me know. I think you are right on to keep them for testing at this point. The way they have jerked you around on the refund is dispicible and inexcuseable. I would get a legal consult on this if I were you and make sure your bases are covered. I have had experience with people like this when I was in the military, they will soften their tactics, play for sympathy (poor childhood), and never accept accountability. The only likely regrets will be the damage to their percieved stature and being called out. I hope for your sake I am wrong and it resolves quickly, but I expect no such turn around from them. I am soo sorry about you collection and the collections of everyone else effected by this. I was supportive of them as well when this first came up(when I first learned of it anyway, in Dec.), I was shocked going through these 86 pages... and no... IMO.. being in an active theater does not excuse a fundamental lack of character. Unbelieveable.

 

[hboyles66]

Well said DesertRat73.

 

[Drew Zaun]

Duty, Honor, Integrity, Loyalty, and Respect. These are qualities that are not only drilled into you in the military, they are demanded of you in EVERY aspect of your life! I am a veteran and fully disgusted that these two have tainted the great name of my brothers and our service.

No Sir, they have only tainted their own name.

The military is a microcosm of Americana. Mostly good people, with a sprinkling of ate up muldoons.

 

[Abish]

I love that she has blamed her bad upbringing, when she has her parents (or at least her mom) raising her son.

I had problems as a kid, too. You know how I deal with it? By NOT spreading deadly retroviruses, and NOT giving the people who caused me grief more kids to raise. That seemed to work pretty well, too bad it is too late for you to give it a shot.

Again, it seems you and Ryan have both also overlooked the Facebook inquiries into Phoenix's death. Woopsie. Since I'm sure it is simply an oversight and you'd like to be open and honest with everybody here, I thought I'd give you another chance to see it.

 

[DesertRat73]

No Sir, they have only tainted their own name.

The military is a microcosm of Americana. Mostly good people, with a sprinkling of ate up muldoons.

I agree it's a microcosm, I disagree with the first part. To me it seems hard to taint that which they seem to care little for. I view it much like our hobby, while the majority are great keepers, the idiots that let kids get attacked shape how we are perceived, and I think that self policing is in order. They clearly do not share the core values that make the majority of us military types proud and respected Americans, and should be distanced from us as much as possible. They ride the coat tails and glean the benefits of a reputation that most of us have worked hard to uphold while not making the same commitment to it. It's just my view of things, but I believe strongly in it, and respect yours as well.

 

[Abish]

Hmm... found pictures she was posting of Phoenix in Feb. 2010, then found a post on rtb.net where she lists her snakes' names and Phoenix is not on it (end of July 2010).

I'd say it is pretty safe to say he died spring/summer 2010. She may not even be an entire six months without a death.