Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

[amercnwmn]

So Elizabeth contracted mites from Ashley's snakes, messaged her, and Ashley admitted she was having a mite problem or that they at least COULD have come from her (If Im reading correctly, 4 pages of info kinda messes with the brain) but is STILL selling snakes that have mites that will more than likely spread to the rest of her buyers collection? Even if IBD wasn't a risk in her collection, shouldn't she shut down ANYWAY because of the mites?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

If I'm reading it right, there's been mites in her collection on and off since early 2009, and the mites are STILL a problem. Makes me wonder if they've been there all along.

I know mites are a biotch to get rid of, but there's NO excuse for this problem to be ongoing for that long.

If the snakes have mites, you shouldn't be dragging them out every other day for photos, and dragging them off to pet stores for "reptile education" http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/giant-pythons-burms-rocks-retics-oh-my/56583-new-burm-pics.html

And props to Adrya. It was harsh but needed as so far Ashley is being completely flippant about the whole thing. Yes I saw she FINALLY 'shut everything down.' But it took way too long, took way too many people calling her out...

I completely understand the anger & frustration on Adrya's part. She has been experiencing all of this firsthand in her own collection.

This is certainly NOT the first place all this was brought out, it's been mentioned several times over the last couple of years, and callously ignored, and business as usual...

I seriously doubt the selling/acquiring is over. I think it's a compulsion based on things I've read. I'm not doc, so it's just my opinion.

What a mess.

 

[jere000]

Don't fool yourself. IBD might be classified as a Boid disease, but similar inclusions have been found in other species. So, although it may prove devastating to Boids, it's suspected that other species might be able to carry it.

Thanks Rick you learn something new everyday.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Ashley has set her snake room tour video to private, one can only assume to hide the wealth of evidence it contained.

 

[Adrya]

Ashley has set her snake room tour video to private, one can only assume to hide the wealth of evidence it contained.

And that also shows and proves that she's GUILTY.

 

[Drew Zaun]

^^^Unfortunately due to her (lack) of actions and constant changing of her story, I fear all this thread really accomplished was to teach her to be careful of what she says and shows.

 

[sally-dog]

^^^Unfortunately due to her (lack) of actions and constant changing of her story, I fear all this thread really accomplished was to teach her to be careful of what she says and shows.

I feel the same. At one point, it's not enough to get her to change anything, but on the other hand, it's all right here as the title states: "Buyer Beware".

We may never know if she gets her act together. It's been like trying to break down a brick wall with one's fists.

 

[amercnwmn]

^^^Unfortunately due to her (lack) of actions and constant changing of her story, I fear all this thread really accomplished was to teach her to be careful of what she says and shows.

Yep.
She may just be more selective about sharing every detail.

In any case, the purpose of this thread wasn't to teach HER anything:
Several people over the years had TRIED to talk to her, she just won't listen.

She prefers just to act like this thread doesn't even exist and carry on as usual elsewhere. Oh well, what can you do?
As long as the information is OUT there, and available, hopefully it'll protect others.

 

[Adrya]

^^^Unfortunately due to her (lack) of actions and constant changing of her story, I fear all this thread really accomplished was to teach her to be careful of what she says and shows.

I have thought of that, also.

Regardless though, this thread will still be here and she can't do anything to fix what she's done.

 

[hboyles66]

If nothing else at least she won't be posting on Fauna for awhile and that is at least a start. We all have to start somewhere to keep people like Ashley from masking the reptile world look like it is full of a bunch of crazies. Also she demanded the guy she got the BCL from give her a refund and actually threatened to sue him for her refund and her collection. Should she refund all the people who have bought snakes from her? I think so if that is how she feels others should handle problems with her.

 

[Adrya]

Also she demanded the guy she got the BCL from give her a refund and actually threatened to sue him for her refund and her collection. Should she refund all the people who have bought snakes from her? I think so if that is how she feels others should handle problems with her.

I completely agree, especially if their collections do end up getting infected with IBD because of her. I think they have the right to come back and prosecute her because of her sloppy, careless business. I feel she does not have any right to deny them that.

 

[amercnwmn]

I have been in contact with several people from other forums to help get the word out there is a possible problem. So far Redtailboa.com has published a warning. I'm hoping several other forums will follow suit, even if it goes against their TOS.

I feel if ANYONE is selling potentially IBD infected sick snakes, and there is THIS much proof existing to support the possibility of a spread, the reptile community should be notified.

I hate doing this, because if I'm wrong, I'll look like an idiot..(sadly, NOT the first time & probably not the last..)
But, I'll take the heat if the BEST should happen and everything is fine.

I'd rather risk looking like a "paranoid idiot" as I have been called, than have a bunch of people's collections be affected by IBD and other illnesses/parasites.

Chlamydia is contagious among several species of reptiles & amphibians, and it WAS found in the necropsy of the Burmese Python.
Not much is known about the zoonotic capacity of chlamydia strains, but it IS contagious. I can try to find out more from Dr. Jacobson after the holidays.

I feel there is no choice BUT to try to spread the word there are definitely issues of mites and Chlamydia in the collection, as well as a POSITIVE IBD test, and poor quarantine has been evident since that time.

It's NOT personal, however the more that has been revealed, the more disgusted, disappointed, and frankly, p!$$ed off, I become.

I would expect the same reaction from others if I were/had been selling/breeding snakes under similar conditions.

 

[amercnwmn]

Sorry, should clarify, as Ashley brought it to my attention via PM:
The burm's chlamydia test on the brain showed negative, however the report states:
"A few magenta stained minute granules of uniform size ..are loosely aggregated in the cytoplasm....This is most likely some form of secretory granule and could also represent Chlamydia or a related organism"

 

[monkeywrench133]

I have been in contact with several people from other forums to help get the word out there is a possible problem. So far Redtailboa.com has published a warning. I'm hoping several other forums will follow suit, even if it goes against their TOS.

http://www.redtailboas.com/forum/health-issues/51115-warning-ibd-exposure-ashley-caspillos-collection.html

 

[AddictedToBoas]

Even if all her tests come back negative you aren't going to look like an idiot. This has brought up a lot of issues that all around deem her a poor breeder. Even if IBD hadn't been the issue and it had been just mites, or something a lot less scary, I would STILL never buy from her.

 

[Drew Zaun]

Chlamydia may be fairly common. Probably one of those bacteria that are kept in check until some issue arises that allows it to spread uncontrollably. One type of chlamydia is psittacosis and is very common in birds, people, and even reptiles. Often it does not present an issue but if allowed it can present range of issues, such as RI, regurge etc.

As for even if Ashley's collection proves clear of IBD, there is still the original animal with inclusions, suspicious death(s), perhaps it stayed there and did not spread further.

Also she has been exposed as someone who does not know the definition of quarantine and does not take the issue seriously. That alone is enough to stay far away since a great number of diseases could come in and be spread through her herp room.

 

[Adrya]

Amercnwmn, why the hell is Sakara PMing you trying to correct you and having you post what she said, instead of posting here and attempting to correct things herself? She needs to quit third-partying.

 

[hboyles66]

I believe Ashley has been on RTB.com taking about how she will not post on the BOI because everyone is misreading her info. I am not sure I understand that because she hasn't posted much info on the BOI. Mosy of it has come from RTB forums, pics, and people that she has given mite ridden animals too. She is just trying to hide from the truth that she is a very sub par breeder, since she considers her self a breeder. I know I would never buy anything from her no matter how nice she seems to my face. This has to be one of the most obvious displays of neglagence I have seen in awhile. I realize there are probably much worse herpers out there but Ashley has put her sub par performance out there for everyone to see. I am glad that RTB.com has allowed a post of her recklessness to be posted so as to help stop the spread of her animals into peopls collection who actually care for their snakes.

 

[hboyles66]

I also would like to send my sympothies to all those effected by Ashley's truely crappy display of what the herp world is all about. We should be able to buy our snakes without fear of the breeder being a liar like Ashley but that is only in a perfect world. To some the all mighty dollar is more inportant than the well being of the animals which IMO is truely a horrible thing as these animals did not ask for Ashley to treat the like she does.

 

[amercnwmn]

Amercnwmn, why the hell is Sakara PMing you trying to correct you and having you post what she said, instead of posting here and attempting to correct things herself? She needs to quit third-partying.

Not sure
Maybe hoping it'll just go away?
Maybe just has no more to say on the matter..


I agree, she should be here facing the music, so to speak.

Ashley, you can't honestly claim you "didn't know.."

The information was there, and other people tried NUMEROUS times to advise you against selling/breeding given the circumstances of the IBD threat.

I agree, Hank.

I'm glad it has been allowed to be posted on other websites.

Personally I think threads that involve the health & well-being of animals, potential spread of disease/parasites/illness, as well as information proving people are scammers, should be shared with the community.
There has to exist a level of "proof" in the accusations, however.

It seems perfectly acceptable to allow people to share vital health care information based on hearsay, and WITH ZERO experience behind the advice on the forums, but NOT share warnings about PROVEN issues.

The links could be provided, let people read it here, and have the thread closed on the other forums, so any comments would have to be made on the BOI..At least the info would be there for people to see.

There are tons of people in the reptile community, many aren't even members of the online forums, by networking information such as this, it could save people whose livelihoods depend on breeding/selling snakes, and those whose collections mean more to them than all the money in the world.

 

[ozz465]

Man this thread is a real eye opener , just getting in bp's myself it makes me even more insistent with proper quarantine and to be rather selective from who i buy . thx for all those here who posted info regarding this .,