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Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

amercnwmn said:
Not to undermine your 15 years of vet experience, but NO ONE said anything about Mites causing the symptoms. It was mentioned that Elizabeth has already had a Corn snake show neuro symptoms from treating for the mites using CHEMICALS.

However, if that was the case, it would have popped up shortly after treatment, not several days. Not ruling it out as a possibility, however.

A soak isn't going to hurt, however I would definitely advise a vet and close monitoring and I would remove that snake from the room if it is anywhere near any others, even if I had to stick it in a bathroom.
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Ok. I will find a place. And I will show you guys pics when I have it set up.

I have a vet apt now for 3:30 pm today. Warned them about IBD. They are not asking my to take extra precautions... :shrug01: They say they have no other snakes in the building. Anyway, So I gotta go soon, it takes about an hour to drive up there.
 
yes, absolutely. for instance, we have diagonsed ball pythons with ibd, that showed no neuro signs at all. just suddenly died. when a young snake dies and nothing can be explained, via history from the owner or a necropsy, then tissue, blood and organ samples are then sent out. brief case history, ball python came in, hadnt eaten in like 3 months (not unusual for a ball), regurged the last 4 rats it ate, and died. temps and humidity and all microevironment seemed well. we necropsied the snake, nothing to abnormal, liver looked weird but nothing horrible. sent it out to lab, came back suspect boa/python inclusion body disease. this was a hospital i did relief work at some time ago.
not all ibd cases are gonna be neuro, as well as not all will have constant regurge or wounds that wont heal, etc.
its just that neuro is one of the classic signs of ibd, and with the history of this snake, i would bet high that it has it (assuming that the snake in question is truely neurologic and not gettin any better)
 
oh yeah, and good luck. hopefully, the snake is just laying like that and is fine. the pupil in the one exposed eye, looked fairly normal from i could see. but always better to be safe than sorry, especially in this case where the history is a vital role
 
Why wait? Just sacrifice one now for testing, get peace of mind, NOW.

BTW: I would also advise using the information posted earlier by ShadowAced (Diem) earlier and going that route to get refunds instead of waiting on Ashley's "Good Intentions."
 
Deb you have a strong point. I will ask my vet if they can ship biopsy samples to a lab that can test for IBD, I've only used this exotic vet for a ferret before even though she does snakes. So I will ask. If this clinic is not capable of sending out samples, I may wait until after xmas and drive to a farther location which is better equipped to have him euthanized and tested >.< Regardless of symptoms, just because of his history.
It would make me feel better to have an up and down answer sooner rather than later.
 
well, Ashley said she would contact me by 2pm CST, that leaves her 14 minutes to tell me what her husband has discussed with her regarding the refund.
 
amercnwmn said:
Unfortunately having the one tested still won't rule out IBD.
That's the bitch of this disease.
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Perhaps, perhaps not. This is one from Ashley's collection is it not? If so, there's a good chance also that the disease may have taken hold. IMO, it certainly beats standing around panicking.:shrug01:
 
reticguy76 said:
i am not a herp vet, but ive been in veterinary medicine now for close to 15 years and have owned reptiles a long time now, i have never seen or heard of a true diagnosis of mites causing neurological issue. i have seen mites as one of the rule-out or differential diagnosis in a neurological snake. now, that being said, chemicals that are being used to treat a mite infestation, i have seen cause neurological issues, but usually resolve with time (assuming the keeper recognizes the signs and gets to a vet fairly soon). but i have never seen a legal medical record stating as a single diagnosis "mites or mite infestation"
where im going with this, is that the three things that are generally resposnible for causing continued neurological issues in snakes, temperature (usually too hot in its microenvironment, chemicals (either cleaning or treating for parasites), and ibd.

i would assume that as a keeper, your temps are probably correct. i would say, that chemicals could be a part in it or be causing it, and/or ibd. if its chemicals, it should hopefully stop acting neuro once chemicals are stopped. if it continues and/or gets worse, ibd is highly highly suspect.

all of this is, or course, based on if that snake is actually neurologic and not just laying that way for a period of time

a video, and some handling would definately be beneficial
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There are so many other things that cause the same neurological issues.. that are far more common... like ameobiasis (Entameoba histolytica) ... or any bacterium or fungi that is able to colonize in the CNS... which can happen following septicemia.... mites are commonly a vector for these infections.....

then there is toxicity.... which may or may not resolve itself once the toxic agent is removed....

Now the mite issue.... in this day and age.... with the knowledge of proper quarantine protocols.. there is no reason for having a mite outbreak... I havent had mites in probably 15 years.... But then I only buy from a handful of people and NOONE brings snakes over or comes over and handles my animals....

You really have to do your homework before buying from people.... Sakara has been known to buy and sell lots of snakes... that's a big red flag.... Everyone's seen pics on forums of her "facility" and there is never any mention of quarantine ......
 
deborahbroadus said:
Perhaps, perhaps not. This is one from Ashley's collection is it not? If so, there's a good chance also that the disease may have taken hold. IMO, it certainly beats standing around panicking.:shrug01:
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I do agree.
I'm only considering there was another instance of chemical reaction to the mite spray in another snake, and it's Thrus & so close to the holiday & weekend (vets and labs will be closed), in THIS instance, I'd hold off at least 'til next week.

If it's just CNS symptoms from a chemical reaction, that MAY give the snake time to respond to supportive therapy (soaks, hydration). Time for the vet to look it over and give a recommendation, and the vets/labs will be open so there'll be no delays and testing won't be hindered by delays in shipping/office hours.

If we weren't this close to the holiday weekend and there wasn't a possibility of it being something else, I'd say "go for it." As it stands, the test still can show negative, and the snake could still be subclinical for IBD.

I hate all the unknowns.

MY advice is to get the blood work done, watch all of them like a hawk, continue supportive therapy (soaks, hydration) and keep it AWAY from the others.
 
very very true. in that respect, i was merely speeking from what we see in my area and clinic(s). the toxicity issue, seems to be more rectifying quality based on route. meaning, fume exposure vs actual contact and potential ingestion. my personal case was fume based resolvement.
my understanding of readings and such, is that ibd in mites is associated with the true snake mite (ophionyssus natricis) that is seems to be the usual suspect that comes in with imported snakes.

and there are tons of issues that can cause or lead to neurologic issues. i was merely pointing out a couple of the most common and basic ones (not getting into all the medical realm of neuro stuff)

excellent post marc. i agree, mites are something that shouldnt need to be dealt with much these days, with all the rave with new morphs that are all cbb for a few generations now
 
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