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!!! ATTN: Veasna Muth STOLE $450.00 FROM ME! AVOID AT ALL COSTS, SCAM ARTIST !!!

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Hello,

Avoid this person like the plague! This person advertised two cb adult ball pythons and asked $450 shipped. Please see http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54454

I sent him a USPS issued money order on 10/27/2004 for $450 via priority mail. He received the payment (see email below) and he has yet to send the snakes to me and return any of my phone calls and emails.

I will call my attorney on Monday and move for legal action! It's people like this that keep people away from doing business with small breeders.

This is his profile on Fauna http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4861

Email dialogue:

I'm beginning to become very concerned. It is urgent for you to contact me tonight at once regarding the snakes that I purchased from you.

Thank you

-----Original Message-----
From: VEASNA muth [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:15 PM
To: Ron Crawford
Subject: RE: Interested in your female ball pythons


i am going to ship tomorow morning.. and also i did not get it untill 3:30pm right before i left for work. i wasnt' able to send out today because i had just got out of work and the shipping store said that they had picked up all of the overnites....so i will send you the tracking number tomorow..thanks sorry for the wait....

Ron Crawford <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello,

The usps.com website said that you received payment yesterday at 9:19am. Please confirm and give me and update of your shipping arrangements.




Regards,
Ron Crawford
215-919-2182
-----Original Message-----
From: VEASNA muth [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:28 PM
To: Ron Crawford
Subject: RE: Interested in your female ball pythons


i didn't get it yet...i should of gotten it by now if you sent it on the 27th....please let me know if it has already sent out...thanks

Ron Crawford <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,

Money order sent via USPS priority mail w/ delivery confirmation. Give me a heads up when you get the package.

Regards,
Ron Crawford
215-919-2182
-----Original Message-----
From: VEASNA muth [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:07 PM
To: Ron Crawford
Subject: Re: Interested in your female ball pythons


veasna muth
8627 marlboro ct
stockton, ca 95210
(209) 471-1663

2 c/b females $450 shipped

Ron Crawford <[email protected]> wrote:
Call me anytime at 215-919-2182


Regards,
Ron Crawford




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i dont think a scam artist is the word

I got a big female from veasna,,yeah it took him a couple extra days to get her shipped,,mainly because some of us have busy lives and we understand that......he didnt do me wrong at all,,,it just takes some extra time to do as many things as we all have goin,,,so dont smear someone until you have a condiderable time of complainin..bub
 
And what exactly is a considerable amount of time? If he said he was going to ship last Wednesday and provide a tracking number then I'm holding him to that. If he cannot ship then it's his responsibility to contact me and inform me, period.

If I continue to send him countless emails and phone him to no avail then I am to assume that he is stealing from me. Yes, we all have busy lives and if his life is too busy to address the issues of a customer then perhaps he should exit from this business.

This isn't some product you buy on late night T.V. with a 4-8 week delivery time. These are animals that were promised to be shipped on 11/3/2004 that never arrived. Like you said, people have busy lives and if I'm expecting a package on 11/3/2004 and it never shows, that tells me that Veasna Muth does not care about my "busy time" nor schedule-rearrangement in order to be available for a package that never shows up.

I'm not here to have a shouting match with you. I've done no business with you and as such, I have no business with you. Good day.
 
Ron,

I agree that you should be informed of what is happening but did you ever think that something might have happened that has prevented him from shipping yet? Or even being able to contact you back yet? It has only been a few days. While not being responded to is reason to start to get a little worried but not time to start blowing up at others that are giving their input to you on the situation. The other person ordered from and received goods from him and was trying to inform you that he might take a few days. I would e-mail or call again and try to see what happened and then proceed from there.
 
Rob,

Since you are a member from 2002 with over 1,000 posts, how long do you suggest I give him before I begin alerting the authorities? I ask this out of respect of you being a member for a few years.


Thanks,
Ron
 
Ron, you are absolutely correct,

their is an obligation on the part of the seller to at least, keep the lines of communications open. You sent a total stranger $ 450.00 in advance, and you made it your business to meet your end of the deal.

This business about the seller not being able to contact you, is an old story, and a very convenient excuse for : if for nothing else , having poor business ethics, even if you do get your pythons.

People should be made aware of these faults when monies are sent in good faith to strangers. It would be one thing if both parties knew each other and had previous dealings with each other. But here their is an implied trust based on an ad, where money was sent in advance, and now the buyer is at the mercy of the seller.

Its the same thing with credit. Not paying is a problem, being late in paying is a bigger problem. Thats what you have here. I am sure and hope you receive the snakes, but this persons business approach should be brought to everyones attention so that potential buyers will know what to expect from people like thins who may be to busy to even acknowledge an email .........once they have your money.
 
Things do happen, we have to agree on that. But the seller has the obligation to contact the buyer if the package was not delievered on the date agreed. Maybe right now he doesn't have access to a computer, maybe someone in the family is not doing well, maybe he is in a bind. But he has Ron phone number and he has a cell phone. It would only probably take 3 minutes to call and explain.

Regards.
 
I would have to agree, the line of communication beging closed and multiple mishaps would make me worr as well. I probably would have posted also, but in a different manner..Have you asked for a refund? If not I would do so..

-Matt Graybeal
 
As many have said, at the very least it is poor business ethics to not let someone know what is going on.
In the end it may be a scam, but I think a 4 line header in capital letters, saying "STOLE" "SCAM ARTIST" etc. is a bit much to soon.
Given it has been only a few days including a weekend, an "inquiry- anybody heard of -insert name here- " header, and a post saying "I'm a little nervous the guy hasn't gotten a hold of me in a couple days" would have been more appropriate.
You could follow up in a couple days with the more derogitory post, if the problem continued.
JMO
 
I believe you perhaps "jumped the gun" on this one....

SCAM ARTIST or STOLE YOUR MONEY is a bit much..... A VERY OBSCENE OVER EXAGGERATION this early in the transaction....

lousy communication? DEFINATELY!

I would request a refund, or if you can work it out, receive your snakes, and be done with it. I would write him and give him a week to decide. THEN update this thread with your findings, and I would also recommend removing the "THIS GUY STOLE...blah blah blah" you posted in his other sales ads. This is just tastless....
 
jason77 said:
I noticed this person has a couple adult female balls for sale...
You would think if they had time to post and sell a couple more snakes they could ship the ones that were already paid for...
here is the link to the post
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54454


The price is fairly close to what you say you paid also
Click to expand...

Might want to check the date something was posted before adding it to the thread. The date is a couple days before he was supposed to get them shipped. ie. I think those are the ones in question (as top shelf noted), that the OP is trying to get the problem rectified.
 
I was mistaken..the reply to the post must have bumped it up to the top of the list.......even though, it does look pretty bad on the sellers part.....busy or not if he has 450 dollars of somone elses money he should at the very least reply and let the person know of the situation
 
Heres a thought!

If it can be done..........When an ad is placed in Fauna, if any prior experience has occurred through the BOI, it should automatically pop up. At least this would give the potential buyer an opportunity to see some history of the individual . At least a more intellegent approach before sending money to complete strangers and..........hoping that you get what you paid for!

Credit card companies provide potential lenders with information that becomes available within minutes. Can you imagine if Kingsnake and Fauna and all the other sites pooled their efforts together to provide this information . That would certainly put a damper on these losers.
 
Ron,

Personally I would have waited at least 1 week before making any post. I also would not have made a post titled as you did on this one. There is no proof that he has stolen anything nor that he is a scam/Rip-Off. By the looks of the ad he has the animals as pending and as such sounds to me like he is (at that time) planning on them being sold. I would try calling him and e-mailing him again and if you need to do it every day until you get a response. Also I have sent a link to this thread to him via e-mail in hopes to get a response as well.
 
Rob,

I wish I were more understanding like you but this transaction thus far has been completely unacceptable! Do you seriously think I should phone this guy and email him each and everyday? I do wish I had the psyche to do this my friend but I cannot and will not tolerate unnaceptable business practices.

More time? He had more than enough time. When he said he was going to ship this past Wednesday, he had Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday contact me. That's five days and as far as I'm concerned and that's more than generous.

I'm giving him until Wednesday before I begin alerting the authorities on this matter. This person has my money and the snakes. Give him more time to return something that lawfully belongs to me? He took my money and/or snakes hostage and I want one or the other back!
 
cant we all just get along...

Hey man from the time he recieved my M.O,,,it took a weekend and the following wed...before i got them,,i know he works 2 jobs,,which is why he couldnt answer his phone at all times..however he would return my e-mails just about every day to stay in touch...Let me add ive just gotten over gettin ripped off by L&B ,,aka barry white,still recoverin from that so until you at least lose all contact with this guy for a good length of time,,,cool it already...youve jumped the gun too much..also dont buy a damn thing from L&B reptiles ever.
 
i had similar problems with another reptile breeder, it took almost 3 weeks for me to get my package. when it was suposed to arrive 3 weeks prior to that. i went 2 weeks without contact with these people finally the end of the 2nd week i finally contacted them, to only find out i had to wait another week for them to ship it out. i exercised patience and understanding with them, after i agreed to wait another week they told me they would even give me a free reptile for the wait and my patience with them.

would you think i waited too long? i didnt make a scene of it, nor an ass out of myself in the process of waiting either.

i dont know, it honestly sounds like you jumped the gun here. snapping at another customer of his who was trying to offer advice to this was wrong imo.

also it is kinda wrong for you to blast him on the ad like you did, that apparantly he changed cause he was going to sell them to you. i honestly hopes he reads your thread and refunds your money and doesnt do business at all with you because of it. in your situation i would have waited a minimal of 2 weeks without contact to come here and post.
 
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