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!!! ATTN: Veasna Muth STOLE $450.00 FROM ME! AVOID AT ALL COSTS, SCAM ARTIST !!!

I will call my attorney on Monday and move for legal action! It's people like this that keep people away from doing business with small breeders.
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I'm giving him until Wednesday before I begin alerting the authorities on this matter.
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My thoughts, EASE UP!!!!!!!!!!

It hasn't even been a week yet, things do come up and delay people. I have waited months for things to be shipped and have no problem with this. Its unacceptable that he hasn't called yet, but there may very well be a reason for this.

I strongly feel that you jumped the gun here and the legal threats are really uncalled for. Also the the above quote "It's people like this that keep people away from doing business with small breeders" is ridiculous.
 
We all have opinions and it's a fun world we live in for it. In as much, I made a decision to bring my case forward. One week, two weeks, three weeks, whatever. I expected a package on Thursday and he didn't deliver nor did he contact me.

I'm not here to have shouting matches with anyone because in the grand scheme of it all, it really does not matter one bit.

Like I mentioned before, it's people like this who make it bad for the small breeder to grow in this business. Other people read threads like this and think twice before ordering from the small breeders because of these type of horror stories. We have to "raise the bar" with respect to handling proper business in the reptile industry. People are here defending this person when they should be outraged and demand that sellers get their acts together when handling business.

In retrospect, if you worked two weeks and expected to be paid on Friday. Wouldn't you be pissed off if you didn't get paid by your employer and even worse, when you tried to speak to your boss via phone/email/etc he was no where to be found? It's your money and you've earned it. Why should you have to wait a prolonged period of time before ranting and raving? I'm confident that you wouldn't follow your own advice and wait by passively while twiddling your fingers.

I don't have anything else to add to this thread and ask that the "flaming" come to a halt. I've spoke my case and I stand by it. We as a community of reptile breeders/brokers/buyers must demand and expect superior customer service. Isn't that what the BOI is about?

The court is in recess.
 
thats nice in thought philly, but where does it even say he runs his own reptile business though (no link to a website, nor mention of a business name) ......... from what the other person says he works 2 jobs, so i would assume he is just a mere hobbyist. if the mating 2 animals and selling the young makes you a business man, then there are alot of teenage business people out there.....

i would assume he is pretty busy in his life, if not he would have came here to defend his name already.

also, you posted this on a public forum, where anyone and everyone is entitled to post's their opinion to it. i dont think anyone of us would let your message stand as an example of who this person is. when you admitted you have not given this guy any chance at all. you the one who played judge, jury and executioner on him.
 
Plenty of Opinions

Ron,
While there are some who think you are overreacting I feel that you are in the right on this issue. If you cannot stay in contact with your customer than DON'T DO THE BUSINESS. Maybe you will be lucky and he will just return your money. You can then go out and spend it with a more professional seller.


Phil Bradley
 
Ok, I've rarely felt compelled to contribute in the BOI, but I just thought I'd throw this out there... there is a big difference between "Being in business" and "good business practices". No, getting a female snake knocked up and desiring to sell the progeny does not make one a businessman... however, TAKING SOMEONE'S MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE DOES. As soon as you accept money for an item or service, you are in business... don't like it? Give them away for free. As soon as you take possession of someone else's hard-earned money, you enter into a contract... if that contract means little to you (as I would suspect it means little to some, based on the comments here in "support" of the deadbeat dealer), then it is best to simply not enter into such contracts.

It is ridiculous to think that a society could function if all commercial transactions were completed at the seller's leisure... I'm sorry, we can't get you that car until next April, but we'll sure take your $15,000 now... Thanks for the $150 advance, we'll call you when we have a table available at our restaurant, I'm sorry your father died because he didn't have his heart meds, but we just didn't feel like sending them out. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Almost as ridiculous as "he's a hobbyist, not a businessman". Well, if you don't want to be a businessman, DON'T SELL YOUR ANIMALS. The buyer sent the seller money, the seller agreed to send a snake in exchange. If that's not business, someone please explain to me what business IS.
 
That being said, stuff DOES happen... I did not mean that to be directed at the seller in this case so much as towards the people that are defending the notion that not being a official business with a Federal Tax ID and separate checking account means that you're somehow exempt from basic courtesy.
 
i said that meaning he has other things to do in his seeminlgy busy life, that might be keeping him from responding to emails or anything else. like i said before, if he would look at his own ad that philly posted a link to this thread and called him a scam artist on it he probably would repsond. i would think there would be a good reason he hasnt responded as of yet.

also, not trying to start a argument with you mister internet, but "As soon as you accept money for an item or service, you are in business... " would in a way make drugdealers, pimps, theives and hitmen business people too woulndt it? they all are in a way trading goods and or services for money as well. just a thought......
 
You guys have got to be kidding!

Mike, just a thought? ... maybe...but not a particularly good analogy.

Tom, you said it perfectly. If you are going to conduct a business transaction, whether it is a single event or an ongoing business, you owe your customer the common courtesy of basic contact and at least a minimally businesslike attitude towards the transaction.

I have been producing snakes for a good long while and selling them as well. I also work a full time day job. In my opinion, unless the reason is pretty much catastrophic, there is absolutely no reason for missing a shipping date as described and then ignoring contact for several days. If I were to have experienced the same situation, I would have begun requesting a refund the day the animals did not arrive and the seller had not bothered to contact me.

I am truly astonished at the number of people who stated that they would have waited a week or two before taking action. Hobbyist, jobber or pet shop owner...it doesn't make a bit of difference. If the seller can't complete a transaction with a modicum of professionalism he has no business posting ads.

Ron, you haven't jumped the gun a bit.
 
I will, however, grudgingly agree that the title of the thread could have been toned down some. At this point, the guy is simply a lousy businessman...not necessarily a scammer. There is always time for a follow up post if the situation is not resolved.
 
Pitiful!!

Anyone taking my hard earned cash better send when they say. Bottom line. The guy obviously had the time to take his money. It would take 30 seconds to pick up the phone and tell your customer what a slacker you are.

I hate hearing excuses...I have another job or I have 2 jobs. BS. Alot of dealers have second jobs but I never see any bad guy posts in here on them.

How long are you supposed to wait till you hear or never hear from someone? Are you suposed to wait till someone else gets ripped off?

Some of you posters better think of what you are posting in defense for this guy. If it bares any resemblance to defending a scam artist, I would definitely think twice. You just might ruin your own reputation.

Ron....I hope you settle up.

Bthacker
 
For the record, I phoned him and emailed him constantly (including today) and I still haven't heard back from the guy. You folks tell me to wait? Guess what, I am waiting...However, not by my accord. :(

Think I can get G.W. to send the troops there to free the hostages? My money and/or snakes are being held hostage.
 
did you use a postal money order? and if so did the seller cash it yet? everyone is saying that sometimes people are to busy to return calls or send as soon as the buyer would like, but if thats the case im sure they are to busy to cash moneyorders.
 
Yes, paid via USPS money order. Will have to phone the post office tomorrow to find out how I can check to see if it was cashed or not. If you have two jobs as one member pointed it, it's safe to assume it's cashed already.
 
yeah thats shady!!

i think you can also track the usps money order to see if its been cashed. i would also maybe call the us postal service fraud/security investigation unit. maybe there's something they could do or maybe stop the mo payment from being cashed. did this person say whether he shipped it ups or fedex, etc? did he tell you he shipped it already(im a little confused)i noticed he indicates shipping store in the email which is strange. theres alot of shady people out there, let me know what happens, good luck dj
 
You obviously jumped the gun on this one, you dont even know if it was cashed yet a few days ago you posted this guy ripped you off?

Something may have possibly come up, it happens. Unfortunatley not every sale is effortless and lightening fast. If he indeed "ripped you off" you STILL posted about this WAY too soon. You still have absolutley NO IDEA what is going on. A simple post concerning lousy communication would have sufficed, and could have been easily added to in the future if further developments occured....

I can guarantee alot of breeders and dealers have read this, and your quick move to completley sdestroy this individuals name. I'd be willing to bet you now have basically "blacklisted" yourself from doing business with many of these people for simple fear that you may flip out an inappropriatley flame them on a open inquiry forum. I sure as hell wouldnt knowingly take an order from you, if for some reason I got hit by a bus or broke down in the middle of the desert I sure as hell would not want to come back a few days later to see my company being trashed here....


Good luck, Hopefully everything works out for you...

try exercising a bit of patience in the future, and doing your homework (ie. checking status of check, ect.) before posting somethingl ike this.
 
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You obviously jumped the gun on this one, you dont even know if it was cashed yet a few days ago you posted this guy ripped you off?

Something may have possibly come up, it happens. Unfortunatley not every sale is effortless and lightening fast. If he indeed "ripped you off" you STILL posted about this WAY too soon. You still have absolutley NO IDEA what is going on. A simple post concerning lousy communication would have sufficed, and could have been easily added to in the future if further developments occured....

I can guarantee alot of breeders and dealers have read this, and your quick move to completley sdestroy this individuals name. I'd be willing to bet you now have basically "blacklisted" yourself from doing business with many of these people for simple fear that you may flip out an inappropriatley flame them on a open inquiry forum. I sure as hell wouldnt knowingly take an order from you, if for some reason I got hit by a bus or broke down in the middle of the desert I sure as hell would not want to come back a few days later to see my company being trashed here....


Good luck, Hopefully everything works out for you...

try exercising a bit of patience in the future, and doing your homework (ie. checking status of check, ect.) before posting somethingl ike this.
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A money order represents cash and a USPS money order can take up to 60 days for them to determine if it was cashed or not. You have to fill out a form at the post office AND pay to have the search done. As far as I'm concerned, a man with two jobs has already cashed the money order I sent him. As far as car crashes, hit by a bus, being on Venom ER, etc., get real! Statistically speaking, the odds of something like that happening during the course of a transaction is extremely low. You can give people as much time as you'd like, I won't.

With respect to "blacklisting" myself. I hope I do "blacklist" myself from people that have unacceptable business practices. They are the only ones that would not want to do business with me out of fear of me coming here and shining light on their horrible business etiquette. I've never screwed over anyone in this industry and I easily spend 4 to 5 digits on high end ball python morphs in my collection. I send my paments out fast (priority/overnight/wire/etc) and stand behind what I say.

You fail to remember what happened here. I sent him money at once and in the easiest form short of sending cash money in the mail. He has not attempted to contact me at all even though he said he was going to ship and provide a tracking number on a specific date. This date came and went and I've tried to contact him constantly. If he has a valid excuse then he'll have a chance to defend himself and provide ample proof. With that said, I Guess I'm on your "blacklist" too, eh? ;)

Here are some excellent guys that I've done business with and I feel they deserve to be mentioned here. These are solid A+ guys that know how to handle business correctly: ASF Reptiles, BoaRepublic, Dream Breeder, OzzyBoids, Ball Boutique, Mark's Herps, T&M Reptiles, Phil Buscher and others.
 
Like I said, you simply posted this blatent ATTACK too soon. He may have very well scammed you.... BUT... what if he didnt?

You have to remember, posts in the BOI cannot be edited or erased. If your specimens were to arrive this morning and for some reason his online access was restricted or lost, or who knows what else, all of this would be for not and a name would be tarnished. That was my only point, you jumped the gun, and you even admitted to doing so.

Simple as that.

I do however agree with you, we are also always quick to pay in all of our transactions, and spend big money when obtaining morphs for our projects. I just know that things do happen from time to time, and it did not seem like you wasted any time coming here to tear him a new... well... you know...

Good luck with the transaction, I really hope this clown hasent walked off with your money...
 
hey TOPSHELF, I would be very

curious to see how you would handle the situation if the roles were reversed. Whether the money order was cashed or not, we can all assume that it was received! Its as good as cash and the time limit is 1 year.

The buyer does not have to justify why its necessary to defend himself in a simple sale such as this. The seller however has some explaining to do!

Not following through on a sale once the monies have been sent is enough to bring to the BOI. Their is nothing premature about not following through with the shippers obligations.

I think that if their is a blacklist, it will be on the shippers methods of conducting business at this point. By next week it could be considered a rip-off. So, when does it not become.........premature!!

also,TOP SHELF, for you to justify "that things happen from time to time" is about as lame of an excuse as you can get. The fact is where is the money or the animals? Thats the bottom line. Secondly, how long does the buyer have to wait before he can get a simple answer to his prepaid sale?
 
TopShelfExotics said:
Like I said, you simply posted this blatent ATTACK too soon. He may have very well scammed you.... BUT... what if he didnt?

You have to remember, posts in the BOI cannot be edited or erased. If your specimens were to arrive this morning and for some reason his online access was restricted or lost, or who knows what else, all of this would be for not and a name would be tarnished. That was my only point, you jumped the gun, and you even admitted to doing so.

Simple as that.

I do however agree with you, we are also always quick to pay in all of our transactions, and spend big money when obtaining morphs for our projects. I just know that things do happen from time to time, and it did not seem like you wasted any time coming here to tear him a new... well... you know...

Good luck with the transaction, I really hope this clown hasent walked off with your money...
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Thanks for the encouragement and I too hope justice will be served. He has my telephone number as well so there is no excuse for him not to contact me short of him being hospitalized, imprisoned, in a drug rehab, lost at sea, trapped in the Bermuda Triangle, etc. He'll have a chance to defend himself and he should understand why I expressed myself on the BOI but as of today, it's not looking too good on his behalf since he's still AWOL.

I'm going to sign out with this post since I've spent too much time with dialogue about this situation. Good luck to you all and be careful with sending your hard earned money to people not listed with good feedback or have no listings at all in the BOI. I checked the BOI before sending money to him and he didn't have anything published about him, postive or negative. What I should have done and will do moving forward is inquire about a person in the BOI before doing business with them if I couldn't find anything about them in the BOI. I could have saved myself from this mess if I inquired beforehand. Lesson learned.



Regards,
Ron Crawford
 
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