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he's certainly not buying anything from us, I will however try to get some info out of this individual.....
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!!! ATTN: Veasna Muth STOLE $450.00 FROM ME! AVOID AT ALL COSTS, SCAM ARTIST !!!
- Thread starter Philly
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Rockford
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Man.....Wish I could do something for you. I live in Sacramento about 45 minutes from this clown.
Bthacker
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Bringerofdoom
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ouch, looks like i was wrong aobut this guy. i still wonder if he cashed that money order or not, because he seems broke if he's trying to get on a payment plan. he just got $450, but yet is bargaining for a $400 snake??
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Chris@TSE
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indeed, seems fishy. perhaps he spent it all and is lookign to scam someone else for the rest of the payment.... 
SpindleHead
New member
Sorry to hear that the original post was right on, I just knew I was going to get to the last page and see that things worked out but apparently not. Sorry to hear that, 450.00 isn't anything to sneeze at.
If he refuses to respond I hope you sic the law on him, every one of these jokers needs to spend a little time with animals who can SELL them.
Take care,
Good luck with everything,
Chris Marston
If he refuses to respond I hope you sic the law on him, every one of these jokers needs to spend a little time with animals who can SELL them.
Take care,
Good luck with everything,
Chris Marston
David Scarboro
Active member
Maybe...
"TheSpeedingBandit" who on page 1 of this thread seemed to say that Mr. Muth was pretty straight up, just very busy can help us out now. How about it bub?
David Scarboro
Dahlonega, Ga.
"TheSpeedingBandit" who on page 1 of this thread seemed to say that Mr. Muth was pretty straight up, just very busy can help us out now. How about it bub?
David Scarboro
Dahlonega, Ga.
KNOBTAIL
LORD OF THE FLIES
CHRIS, Now you can understand
why nothing that relates to monies sent in advance should be considered as to premature in notifying the BOI.
It is conceivable that if the buyer had waited, this would have given the seller to possibly entrap more unsuspecting customers with advanced payments. What you have hear is a deliberate , well planned theft. This guy should be in jail. Hopefully something can be done to stop him or her!
why nothing that relates to monies sent in advance should be considered as to premature in notifying the BOI.
It is conceivable that if the buyer had waited, this would have given the seller to possibly entrap more unsuspecting customers with advanced payments. What you have hear is a deliberate , well planned theft. This guy should be in jail. Hopefully something can be done to stop him or her!
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Chris@TSE
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Lets hope someday something dosent happen to you preventing you from communicating for five days and someone blasts you on the BOI in that timeframe. I doubt you'll sing the same tune then once a bad guy thread is posted and unable to be removed.
You seem to be missing my point yet again Jerry. Or you're simply having soem issues comprehending what I have typed in this thread about this matter. But alas, I'll repeat myself yet AGAIN. I think I have a few minutes to spare for a pal
I stated IF the specimens had arrived and this individual was simply unable to communicate for one reason or another the bad guy thread would have been quite harmful and inaccurate.
Remember Jerry, this thread originated only five days after sending payment without any proof of "foul play".... only bad correspondence.
Therefore a bad guy post was quite premature at that time. t that point in time a post regarding horrible correspondence or "missing in action" would have been more appropriate. Labeling someone a thief or a scammer on the BOI is something that does not get erased, even if it were proven wrong it would come up in searches to hundreds, perhaps thousands of surfers inquiring abotu a company.
Would you like the same situation to unfold in your neck of the woods if it were beyond your control? I think not.
NOW HOWEVER...
I think its safe to say after something like what happened today, the same individual popping up to try and make a purchase, NOW would be the time to make a post such as "SCAMMED" or "THIEF"
It's pretty hard to dispute that you've been screwed after the guy who you sent money too fails to contact you back, fails to ship, and start shopping for ball morphs!
I really hope somethng good comes from this, and this guy gets his money\animals. So far, its not looking that way. If this individual contacts us again about purchasing the HET pied we will try and gain any contact information we can for Ron.
Jerry, I don't really feel like "arguing" or repeating myself again, so unless you have something valid to contribute without trying to twist the meaning of my statements you can feel free to stop the "pissing match" at any time... I have no issues with you.
In fact, you're kinda swell.
Take care!
You seem to be missing my point yet again Jerry. Or you're simply having soem issues comprehending what I have typed in this thread about this matter. But alas, I'll repeat myself yet AGAIN. I think I have a few minutes to spare for a pal
I stated IF the specimens had arrived and this individual was simply unable to communicate for one reason or another the bad guy thread would have been quite harmful and inaccurate.
Remember Jerry, this thread originated only five days after sending payment without any proof of "foul play".... only bad correspondence.
Therefore a bad guy post was quite premature at that time. t that point in time a post regarding horrible correspondence or "missing in action" would have been more appropriate. Labeling someone a thief or a scammer on the BOI is something that does not get erased, even if it were proven wrong it would come up in searches to hundreds, perhaps thousands of surfers inquiring abotu a company.
Would you like the same situation to unfold in your neck of the woods if it were beyond your control? I think not.
NOW HOWEVER...
I think its safe to say after something like what happened today, the same individual popping up to try and make a purchase, NOW would be the time to make a post such as "SCAMMED" or "THIEF"
It's pretty hard to dispute that you've been screwed after the guy who you sent money too fails to contact you back, fails to ship, and start shopping for ball morphs!
I really hope somethng good comes from this, and this guy gets his money\animals. So far, its not looking that way. If this individual contacts us again about purchasing the HET pied we will try and gain any contact information we can for Ron.
Jerry, I don't really feel like "arguing" or repeating myself again, so unless you have something valid to contribute without trying to twist the meaning of my statements you can feel free to stop the "pissing match" at any time... I have no issues with you.
In fact, you're kinda swell.
Take care!
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Chris@TSE
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Also, I do agree people possibly have been saved by the advance bad guy post, but it could have done harm as well. I'm sure you udnerstand what I am saying, as I understand what you are saying. We both have simliar yet different views, I guess it could be aruged from both sides of the fence until next election year.... lol
Rockford
New member
Chris-
I think I know kind of how you feel about this subject. That the original title of the post was a little extreme and he should have posted something like 'Veasna Muth-has anyone heard from him...he has $450 for trade...hope nothing bad has happened'?
I don't think Ron was premature in the time frame he posted. 5 days without correspondence is 4 too many. On your professional website it states it may take a little time for shipping but it doesn't say "if the phone rings just leave a message and don't worry I'll get back to when I can get back to you". Unless the poor soul has passed away (or in a coma)there are no excuses for lack of correspondence.
My first online transaction, I sent a gentleman a large sum of money without researching. I learned of the BOI conveniently a day later. I was a little nervous after reading a thread a guy posted and it wasn't a very positive inquiry on my seller. After I kept reading posts it turned out to be good. So I was sweating there for a second. So someone that reads a bit of a thread won't make a determination of someone's reputation right away, you really should read on. Lesson learned....you need to read the whole thread.
Maybe the title was a little extreme but I think It's a good one now.
Enough rambling....It's really too bad there are so many crooks out there. I do praise this website though for giving ratings and giving folks a chance to see if someone is worth dealing with.
Take care-
Bthacker
I think I know kind of how you feel about this subject. That the original title of the post was a little extreme and he should have posted something like 'Veasna Muth-has anyone heard from him...he has $450 for trade...hope nothing bad has happened'?
I don't think Ron was premature in the time frame he posted. 5 days without correspondence is 4 too many. On your professional website it states it may take a little time for shipping but it doesn't say "if the phone rings just leave a message and don't worry I'll get back to when I can get back to you". Unless the poor soul has passed away (or in a coma)there are no excuses for lack of correspondence.
My first online transaction, I sent a gentleman a large sum of money without researching. I learned of the BOI conveniently a day later. I was a little nervous after reading a thread a guy posted and it wasn't a very positive inquiry on my seller. After I kept reading posts it turned out to be good. So I was sweating there for a second. So someone that reads a bit of a thread won't make a determination of someone's reputation right away, you really should read on. Lesson learned....you need to read the whole thread.
Maybe the title was a little extreme but I think It's a good one now.
Enough rambling....It's really too bad there are so many crooks out there. I do praise this website though for giving ratings and giving folks a chance to see if someone is worth dealing with.
Take care-
Bthacker
Vince
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but if this thread wasnt started so soon this guy might have a new ball python from top shelf exotics payed for with stolen money.
everyone reacts differently. and you never know, if this wasnt here as soon as it was then maybe in the meen time someone else would have sent this guy another 450.00 for the same pythons.
everyone reacts differently. and you never know, if this wasnt here as soon as it was then maybe in the meen time someone else would have sent this guy another 450.00 for the same pythons.
KNOBTAIL
LORD OF THE FLIES
CHRIS, i understand exacactly what
you are saying, but just as you pointed out about "providing some breathing room before a post is placed on the BOI, I would like to remind you, that you may be more inclined to give a little more courtesy, I am not of that frame of mind.
My position would be more like a creditor. If the bill is expected to be paid on the 15th I expect the monies to be their if not on the 15th than prior to it. Its good business and whether you agree with me or not, credit worthy people get credit because of their ability to meet their financial obligations ..........on time!!
Now I am using this as an analogy of course, but If I send you money , I expect some notification. I do not want to go running after you. "Foul play or bad correspondance" has nothing to do with the original post. The buyer just as the creditor, did not receive even an acknowledgement or a payment. The due date has passed! The monies are due, and the obligation would add interest if it were a bank! The lender takes all the necessary precautions in insuring that the borrower understands what they are getting into. So it is with the buyer who sends money to the seller (in advance, in good faith) . Its the sellers obligation to immediately notify the buyer. No excuses, The buyer could have retained those funds in his own account but took the good faith of the seller that the services would be preformed upon reciept of the funds,
Its one thing if the shipment was held up for 5 days or even longer. But their is no excuse for a simple notification.
So this is not just a pissing contest or me attempting to twist words here. I am a business man like yourself, and their are rules and regulations in the conduct , that requires a reasonable method of some fairness. After all, we are dealing here with strangers. One who sends money in advance to a total stranger, and at the very least deserves some basic consideration here.
One of the reasons why I have been successful in my business ventures, relates to my ability to keep the lines of communications open. State my terms clearly, and deliver as promised. I can assure you that I would not wait to hear from the buyer asking me if I received his money. I would have notified him immediately, and I would be kissing the ground that people trust me enough to send me money, and incidently CHRIS, my products are big ticket items, so its a question of how you want to conduct yourself in business.
In this case, this person whoever he is, does not care, assumes he will get away with stealing $ 450.00 and possibly others that we may not even know about as yet. So I do understand very well, and I am not missing the point, its just my safety mechanics differ from yours, or possibly I may be a bit more stringent in my business behavours. By the way, Chris, people in general prefer to be notified sooner rather than later when money is involved. In this case, as we both now have reached the same conclusion, we have a theft, a felony. If the Method of Operation remains the same, this may be just the tip of the iceberg. So its imperative to act on these signs as quickly as possible.
So CHRIS, I understand your positon very well, and certainly I dont mean to be repetative in my argument, but my good experience not only in business but as a law enforcement officers intuition, I prefer to err on the side of caution. I would be the first to apologize if this thread turned out to be that I was wrong and that I was hasty in my own prejudgement. But my worst fears have born fruit. If you email me at [email protected] I would like to send you some things (herp related) that you may find interesting. Respectfully, JERRY
you are saying, but just as you pointed out about "providing some breathing room before a post is placed on the BOI, I would like to remind you, that you may be more inclined to give a little more courtesy, I am not of that frame of mind.
My position would be more like a creditor. If the bill is expected to be paid on the 15th I expect the monies to be their if not on the 15th than prior to it. Its good business and whether you agree with me or not, credit worthy people get credit because of their ability to meet their financial obligations ..........on time!!
Now I am using this as an analogy of course, but If I send you money , I expect some notification. I do not want to go running after you. "Foul play or bad correspondance" has nothing to do with the original post. The buyer just as the creditor, did not receive even an acknowledgement or a payment. The due date has passed! The monies are due, and the obligation would add interest if it were a bank! The lender takes all the necessary precautions in insuring that the borrower understands what they are getting into. So it is with the buyer who sends money to the seller (in advance, in good faith) . Its the sellers obligation to immediately notify the buyer. No excuses, The buyer could have retained those funds in his own account but took the good faith of the seller that the services would be preformed upon reciept of the funds,
Its one thing if the shipment was held up for 5 days or even longer. But their is no excuse for a simple notification.
So this is not just a pissing contest or me attempting to twist words here. I am a business man like yourself, and their are rules and regulations in the conduct , that requires a reasonable method of some fairness. After all, we are dealing here with strangers. One who sends money in advance to a total stranger, and at the very least deserves some basic consideration here.
One of the reasons why I have been successful in my business ventures, relates to my ability to keep the lines of communications open. State my terms clearly, and deliver as promised. I can assure you that I would not wait to hear from the buyer asking me if I received his money. I would have notified him immediately, and I would be kissing the ground that people trust me enough to send me money, and incidently CHRIS, my products are big ticket items, so its a question of how you want to conduct yourself in business.
In this case, this person whoever he is, does not care, assumes he will get away with stealing $ 450.00 and possibly others that we may not even know about as yet. So I do understand very well, and I am not missing the point, its just my safety mechanics differ from yours, or possibly I may be a bit more stringent in my business behavours. By the way, Chris, people in general prefer to be notified sooner rather than later when money is involved. In this case, as we both now have reached the same conclusion, we have a theft, a felony. If the Method of Operation remains the same, this may be just the tip of the iceberg. So its imperative to act on these signs as quickly as possible.
So CHRIS, I understand your positon very well, and certainly I dont mean to be repetative in my argument, but my good experience not only in business but as a law enforcement officers intuition, I prefer to err on the side of caution. I would be the first to apologize if this thread turned out to be that I was wrong and that I was hasty in my own prejudgement. But my worst fears have born fruit. If you email me at [email protected] I would like to send you some things (herp related) that you may find interesting. Respectfully, JERRY
MattP
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Ron, I sent you an email
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speedingbandit
Member
400,,,1100,,,,,,whats the differance
Thats right 400 is bad,,,but im tied up with L&B aka Barry white for 1100.000its fun really to get fuct without protection....we will see what the sheriffs dept says,,,,actualy theyve already said it all i gotta do is say go.
Thats right 400 is bad,,,but im tied up with L&B aka Barry white for 1100.000its fun really to get fuct without protection....we will see what the sheriffs dept says,,,,actualy theyve already said it all i gotta do is say go.
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So, is this enough time to wait or should I give him a few more weeks?
I'm going to pursue legal actions beginning tomorrow. This guy has committed mail fraud and he will pay for his crimes, one way or another.
The reason I called him out in the subject line was due to some research on my part. I phoned him day, night and super late at night. I left countless messages and emails to no avail. Enough of this type of correspondence without a reply leads one to suspicion. That is the underlying reason I called him a thief after five days.
I just left a dead-beat ebayer horrible feedback after he said he was going to pay me this past weekend but never did. I emailed him and gave him two days to satisfy his part of the agreement. Guess what, he's listed with negative feedback on ebay now.
I'll update you kind folks with progress as I involve the law in the matter. Rest assured, I will do whatever it takes short of contacting the bloods/crips in California (although they would probably deliver some "justice" unto this individual). lol.
Thanks for your support.
Regards,
Ron Crawford
I'm going to pursue legal actions beginning tomorrow. This guy has committed mail fraud and he will pay for his crimes, one way or another.
The reason I called him out in the subject line was due to some research on my part. I phoned him day, night and super late at night. I left countless messages and emails to no avail. Enough of this type of correspondence without a reply leads one to suspicion. That is the underlying reason I called him a thief after five days.
I just left a dead-beat ebayer horrible feedback after he said he was going to pay me this past weekend but never did. I emailed him and gave him two days to satisfy his part of the agreement. Guess what, he's listed with negative feedback on ebay now.
I'll update you kind folks with progress as I involve the law in the matter. Rest assured, I will do whatever it takes short of contacting the bloods/crips in California (although they would probably deliver some "justice" unto this individual). lol.
Thanks for your support.
Regards,
Ron Crawford
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Chris@TSE
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sure Jerry, You've got mail.
Now that this guy is pretty much porven to be a scammer i would assume it is safe to post his info so others don't get taken....
Now that this guy is pretty much porven to be a scammer i would assume it is safe to post his info so others don't get taken....
Ron,
Sorry to hear this guy never contacted you again. Please do post his contact info so we are all aware of where he is.
For the future and when dealing with individuals you have never heard of you may want to do a reverse look up on the phone number to see if it does exist. A person that provides another phone number or only a cell phone # (as in this case) might indicate that he doesn't want to be located if something happens. Again I'm saying "might" because I know of several highly reputable individuals that provide a cell # and use it for it's intended use (to be always in contact anywhere they are). This was obviously not the case though.
Good luck!
Sorry to hear this guy never contacted you again. Please do post his contact info so we are all aware of where he is.
For the future and when dealing with individuals you have never heard of you may want to do a reverse look up on the phone number to see if it does exist. A person that provides another phone number or only a cell phone # (as in this case) might indicate that he doesn't want to be located if something happens. Again I'm saying "might" because I know of several highly reputable individuals that provide a cell # and use it for it's intended use (to be always in contact anywhere they are). This was obviously not the case though.
Good luck!
"scam artist "
just found out about this thread today...first of all i would like to a
appoligize to Ron for all this miss understanding........i can understand that it is wrong in my part to not contact Ron...but things do come up.....i would think that having medical and family problems are more important...also just to add that ruining my name over $450 is just stupid....i had emailed Ron today and waiting for him to reply....
just found out about this thread today...first of all i would like to a
appoligize to Ron for all this miss understanding........i can understand that it is wrong in my part to not contact Ron...but things do come up.....i would think that having medical and family problems are more important...also just to add that ruining my name over $450 is just stupid....i had emailed Ron today and waiting for him to reply....
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Chris@TSE
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you have time to shop kingsnake for hets but dont have time to send him his snakes????
you emailed me looking to buy a het on a payment plan YESTURDAY.
I see where your priorities are.... Very impressive.
you emailed me looking to buy a het on a payment plan YESTURDAY.
I see where your priorities are.... Very impressive.
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i am interested in uying one of your hets..i wanted to know if you do any payments on them..or what would i need to do to put a hold on one of them?...i was interested in getting the 100% het pied male....how lond do i have to pay it off..thanks..veasna
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