YinnyYu
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I have one baby black dragon for sale
asking 1100 shipped
asking 1100 shipped
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SOLD!! baby black dragon
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Riplee
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NICE~!
WHKRAZYK
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ANY TRADES?
Redstormlax12
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Never heard of these before.. Is black dragon their actual name? But looks awsome
Riplee
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they r black water monitor
YinnyYu
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no trades, sorry~~
John Adragna
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Varanus salvator macromaculatus. AKA Komaini water monitor from southern Thailand. I watched some hatch in Costa Rica at Parque Reptilandia... stunners.
DoubleDragon
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Varanus togianus
that is not Black Dragon. That looks like Togian water monitor has some striping on it.
that is not Black Dragon. That looks like Togian water monitor has some striping on it.
DoubleDragon
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WATCH OUT !
don't get scammed!
don't get scammed!
YinnyYu
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what are you talking about?
Do you really know what the different between those two kind of water monitors?
Look at their chins and back, if you have more pic you can see their Abdomen are different also
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DoubleDragon
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Varanus togianus
It's not Black dragon or V. salvator komaini. Black dragon is pure black coloration throughout the body (no spots or bands) and a grayish-purple tongue. Take some clear photos if you can.You can see the banding under your water monitor neck. Which leads me to belive it's Varanus togianus. Take a photo of his belly or underside and post it up. Prove me wrong? All so where did you get your water monitor from?
It's not Black dragon or V. salvator komaini. Black dragon is pure black coloration throughout the body (no spots or bands) and a grayish-purple tongue. Take some clear photos if you can.You can see the banding under your water monitor neck. Which leads me to belive it's Varanus togianus. Take a photo of his belly or underside and post it up. Prove me wrong? All so where did you get your water monitor from?
John Adragna
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The baby water monitor pictured is Komaini phase Macromaculatus, not V. togianus. Baby togianus are Yellowish colored ventrally. Komaini babies are dark grey. Some obscure remnant patterning may be seen on hatchling Komainis but will ulitmately fade to Jet Black as it matures. DoubleDragon, I could also mention scalation and head morphology differences. The ad is no scam.
John
http://www.cybersalvator.com
John
http://www.cybersalvator.com
YinnyYu
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you still can see spots and bands on some black dragons body
and V. salvator komaini =black dragon.
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YinnyYu
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Thanks John
John Adragna
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The baby water monitor pictured above the 2 black dragon adults is a Sulawesi type, V.s.ssp...
Taller snout, orangey tinge to the neck- Speckled water monitors on mainland Sulawesi .
Taller snout, orangey tinge to the neck- Speckled water monitors on mainland Sulawesi .
DoubleDragon
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Vol _1 Biawak number 1 2007
Introduction
The Water Monitor (Varanus salvator) is one of the most widely distributed of all monitor species,
ranging from Sri-Lanka and eastern India across southeast Asia (including southern China) to the
Philippines and throughout much of Indonesia as far east as Ceram (Gaulke and Horn, 2004). Because of
its extensive distribution, not surprisingly, this species shows substantial geographic variation in scalation
and coloration, and several subspecies have been described.
The last major revision of V. salvator was that of Mertens (1942). Over the years, the status of certain
subspecies of V. salvator has been controversial. Some authorities have argued against the validity of
some, or, for the elevation of others to full species status, but the general consensus is that the V. salvator
group is in need of modern taxonomic revision (Gaulke and Horn, 2004).
The color and pattern of the various populations of V. salvator varies geographically. In general,
juveniles have a distinctive pattern, but in some populations the pattern becomes obscured with age. Some
populations, however, are darker than others, and dark or melanistic individuals have been reported from
Thailand (komaini; Nutphand, 1987), the Togian Islands in Indonesia (togianus; Mertens, 1959), and from
Nicobar and the Andaman Islands (andamanensis; Deraniyagala, 1944); in the latter population, however,
juveniles are reported to show a distinctive pattern (Kala, 1998). Additionally, some populations of V.
salvator nuchalis from the Philippines display two distinctive color phases, one colorful and the other
dark, but both morphs are sympatric on the islands of Panay and Negros, where the pale color is the most
abundant. The opposite is true on the islands of Masbate, Ticao, and Boracay, where a dark or nearly
melanistic form predominates (Gaulke, 1991; Horn and Gaulke, 2004).
The Black Water Monitor was described as a separate subspecies (V. salvator komaini) by Nutphand
(1987), from small islands and areas near the coastline in southwestern Thailand. Nutphand distinguished
this subspecies from its closest relative, V. salvator, by its shorter adult length, black coloration throughout
the body (no spots or bands), and a grayish-purple tongue; however, his description indicated only minor
scutellational differences between the taxa.
Since its description, komaini has been regarded as a subspecies of V. salvator by some authorities
or as an invalid taxon by others. Information on the status of komaini in Sprackland (1992) added to this
confusion, as on page 128 he states that “Preliminary information suggests that it (= komaini) may or may
not be a subspecies of Varanus salvator,” yet on page 130 he indicates this taxon (as Varanus salvator
komaini) as a nomen nudum.
The purpose of this report is not to question the taxonomic validity of V. s. komaini, but to present
husbandry and reproductive information on this highly unusual monitor. The animals discussed here
purportedly are from Kukup, in Johore, Malaysia, on the southwestern tip of the Malay Peninsula.
Here you go can download it here. Read for you slef. http://varanidae.org/biawak look it up vol-1 No1
You still have not proved me wrong from my last question ? Where did you acquire it?
Introduction
The Water Monitor (Varanus salvator) is one of the most widely distributed of all monitor species,
ranging from Sri-Lanka and eastern India across southeast Asia (including southern China) to the
Philippines and throughout much of Indonesia as far east as Ceram (Gaulke and Horn, 2004). Because of
its extensive distribution, not surprisingly, this species shows substantial geographic variation in scalation
and coloration, and several subspecies have been described.
The last major revision of V. salvator was that of Mertens (1942). Over the years, the status of certain
subspecies of V. salvator has been controversial. Some authorities have argued against the validity of
some, or, for the elevation of others to full species status, but the general consensus is that the V. salvator
group is in need of modern taxonomic revision (Gaulke and Horn, 2004).
The color and pattern of the various populations of V. salvator varies geographically. In general,
juveniles have a distinctive pattern, but in some populations the pattern becomes obscured with age. Some
populations, however, are darker than others, and dark or melanistic individuals have been reported from
Thailand (komaini; Nutphand, 1987), the Togian Islands in Indonesia (togianus; Mertens, 1959), and from
Nicobar and the Andaman Islands (andamanensis; Deraniyagala, 1944); in the latter population, however,
juveniles are reported to show a distinctive pattern (Kala, 1998). Additionally, some populations of V.
salvator nuchalis from the Philippines display two distinctive color phases, one colorful and the other
dark, but both morphs are sympatric on the islands of Panay and Negros, where the pale color is the most
abundant. The opposite is true on the islands of Masbate, Ticao, and Boracay, where a dark or nearly
melanistic form predominates (Gaulke, 1991; Horn and Gaulke, 2004).
The Black Water Monitor was described as a separate subspecies (V. salvator komaini) by Nutphand
(1987), from small islands and areas near the coastline in southwestern Thailand. Nutphand distinguished
this subspecies from its closest relative, V. salvator, by its shorter adult length, black coloration throughout
the body (no spots or bands), and a grayish-purple tongue; however, his description indicated only minor
scutellational differences between the taxa.
Since its description, komaini has been regarded as a subspecies of V. salvator by some authorities
or as an invalid taxon by others. Information on the status of komaini in Sprackland (1992) added to this
confusion, as on page 128 he states that “Preliminary information suggests that it (= komaini) may or may
not be a subspecies of Varanus salvator,” yet on page 130 he indicates this taxon (as Varanus salvator
komaini) as a nomen nudum.
The purpose of this report is not to question the taxonomic validity of V. s. komaini, but to present
husbandry and reproductive information on this highly unusual monitor. The animals discussed here
purportedly are from Kukup, in Johore, Malaysia, on the southwestern tip of the Malay Peninsula.
Here you go can download it here. Read for you slef. http://varanidae.org/biawak look it up vol-1 No1
You still have not proved me wrong from my last question ? Where did you acquire it?
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DoubleDragon
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Johnantny ! You can see yellow!
The photo on the first page of it's head. It shows yellow banding on it. So what is your point>?
The photo on the first page of it's head. It shows yellow banding on it. So what is your point>?
John Adragna
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The baby in the top 3 pictured on first page does not have "yellow" banding on head. The snout has faded grey snout bands- this is what komaini babies have... until they mature and turn completely black as adults. The photos of an adult by itself is a V. togianus, not komaini phase macromaculatus. I think Yinny was trying to show differences between them.
I think the most likely scenario is the baby komaini is one of the CB exports from Costa Rica. My home page http://www.cybersalvator.com has a banner ad linking to the zoo in Costa Rica if you want to see.
I think the most likely scenario is the baby komaini is one of the CB exports from Costa Rica. My home page http://www.cybersalvator.com has a banner ad linking to the zoo in Costa Rica if you want to see.
DoubleDragon
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Black Dragon
I happen to own adult pair of Black Dragons. I know who is producing them at the Zoo in Cost Rica as well it's no secert. My question is where did he get ? honeslty it has banding on it? I'm sorry it's not true Black Dragon. Still have not proved me wrong with my question. Come on I don't need you to tell me what is the difference between black dragon I just stated that he is not selling a black dragon. I called it togian water monitor, maybe I'm wrong but I know that it's not black dragon. That was my point to prove him wrong. If you read that article I posted from http://varanidae.org/biawak you would know the costa rican zoo is involed with that article. Do me a favor and read the article then talk to me. It cleary states (no spots or bands).
I happen to own adult pair of Black Dragons. I know who is producing them at the Zoo in Cost Rica as well it's no secert. My question is where did he get ? honeslty it has banding on it? I'm sorry it's not true Black Dragon. Still have not proved me wrong with my question. Come on I don't need you to tell me what is the difference between black dragon I just stated that he is not selling a black dragon. I called it togian water monitor, maybe I'm wrong but I know that it's not black dragon. That was my point to prove him wrong. If you read that article I posted from http://varanidae.org/biawak you would know the costa rican zoo is involed with that article. Do me a favor and read the article then talk to me. It cleary states (no spots or bands).
YinnyYu
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It is a black dragon! I got him from Kingsnake.com
I was trying to show you the differences between V. togianus and komaini like John said
If you don't believe me you just don't buy it. But it is a really black dragon
I have another one is pure black coloration throughout the body like you said
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