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Cassie1214

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So I ordered a super snow male leopard gecko for my female he was suppose to be a juvenile.. Instead I got a hatchling unknown sex it's way to early to tell I'm very disappointed as I was looking to start breeding by the end of July( if all went well) .. How has everyone else's expierence with backwater worked out? I emailed them but no reply I really don't want to pay to have this one shipped back and pay again to have another shipped out.. I'm definitely bummed. If anyone had any super snow males that won't cost me an arm and a leg please PM me!!


How big would you consider a hatchling or when would you consider a hatchling a juvenile?
 
I've never purchased from them, their tos has scared many people away and those who buy usually didn't read their tos and find themselves screwed because they seem to do these things on purpose, just be happy you got it alive and healthy...

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Cassie1214 said:
So I ordered a super snow male leopard gecko for my female he was suppose to be a juvenile.. Instead I got a hatchling unknown sex it's way to early to tell I'm very disappointed as I was looking to start breeding by the end of July( if all went well) .. How has everyone else's expierence with backwater worked out? I emailed them but no reply I really don't want to pay to have this one shipped back and pay again to have another shipped out.. I'm definitely bummed. If anyone had any super snow males that won't cost me an arm and a leg please PM me!!


How big would you consider a hatchling or when would you consider a hatchling a juvenile?
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Three week quarantine? Aren't you worried about disease especially coming from current seller??
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My math was bad my apologies.
 
Please post a photo of the animal. There is a broad range for what may qualify as a juvenile.

With the way leopard gecko seasons generally go in terms of yearly timing, you probably would not have been breeding until late winter/early spring if you brought the animal to size by that point.
 
Most breeders can sex leopard geckos by 20 grams (sometimes males at 10-15 grams). I usually consider a juvie to be a few months old, but I'm sure it's different for every breeder.

Can you post a picture of the gecko and also the ad where you purchased from? Most people will sell as temp sex male (tsm) or temp sex female (tsf) until they can be visually sexed.
 
Backwater has more bad reviews then I can count on my fingers and toes, and they don't produce anything they sell. You'll never know the hets the gecko you bought from them or where it came from. That doesn't mean it won't be a perfectly wonderful pet buy without knowing the genetic background id advise against breeding it. Backwater is a known drop-shipper which means in most cases they never even handle the animals.
 
I'm new to forums so bare with me.. I have a vet apt set up for another month from now to start the fecal sampling (my brother in law has gotten a few geckos from there with no problems they have all been healthy) I just assumed based off my brother in law they were a reputable breeder I was unaware that I wouldn't be getting any info about the gecko (hatch date/hets) my mistake for assuming. I've only been into leos for the past year and a half so I'm still very much learning new things and what to look for.. This was my first time purchasing over the Internet as well usually I have purchased from local breeders/expos and friends I have a few that breed. I'm going to do my best to attach a photo my expierence has always been a juvi is at least a few months old this guy to me looks like the size of the hatchling I got last year and I asked a few friends today and they all agreed but I'm curious what you more expierenced breeders think/ determine how old to consider a juvi to be or hatchling to be!
 

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I would be surprised if that gecko was older than a few weeks to a month old (a weight would be helpful). It's not fresh out of the egg because of the spots that have already been coming in, but it's still very young/small. I would not call it a juvie, but I don't know if there is a set weight/age for hatchling vs juvie. It's possible that some people think hatchling means a week or less. Hard to say. To me, if it's too young to sex, it's still a hatchling.
 
Also, as Julia mentioned, geckos from wholesalers are not good to use as breeders. You need to know all the genetics and not just the visual morph. Having the parents backgrounds is pretty important when starting a breeding project with leopard geckos.

You did mention buying a juvie with the hopes of breeding it in two months. If you want to breed that quickly, I would suggest buying an adult and breeding after quarantine is over. A typical juvie would not be ready to breed that quickly.
 
The add I ordered from was a drop down menu it said hatchling or juvi and it had a despriction said between 4-6 inches for juvi witch this one clearly is not.
 
Cassie1214 said:
The add I ordered from was a drop down menu it said hatchling or juvi and it had a despriction said between 4-6 inches for juvi witch this one clearly is not.
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Then no, you did not get what you ordered (my post above with breeding still stands with that though).
 
Also just wanted to add I guess I should have said twords the end of the season instead of saying July! They aren't going to be for sale it's more of my own breeding project for fun maybe selling a couple but more for pets .. The rest of my geckos I know all the information about them this is the only one where I don't know full genetics witch I stated I thought I would be getting that! I didn't realize what type of breeders they were my brother in law failed to mention you don't get any info with them!
 
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