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Bad business practices

Okay, I will say that this thread sounds fishy on the whole FBI/IRS thing. However, Veronica's description of how Jon Dvoretz of Next World Exotics does business. He only on very rare occasions has the animals in stock that he claims to have. And if you call about one thing he's posted, he will go into everything else he has available and try to push you on it. Nothing wrong with THAT per se, most business people will try to make that sale no matter what. However, if he is claiming to have something in stock in an ad, and he in fact doesn't, then that is wrong.

Now, everyone here who has read the threads posted before know that I and a good friend got ripped by Jon a couple years back, and for a fair amount of money, too, and that I am no fan of him. However, I would NEVER say that the FBI is out to get him over a couple of baby fat-tails. That is a wee bit overboard I would think just to make a bad guy post.

But I am definitely curious about a couple of things here that you said Theresa.

I can see posting to explain a concern about you feeling uncomfortable about shipping in winter months....but you should try calling the person you bought them from rather than telling the entire community that they are under investigation for DRUGS????
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Who in here even HINTED that Jon was under investigation for drugs? Even Veronica who started this thread did not mention anything about drugs, only that the box ws considered "suspicious" by the carrier. Jumping to conclusions, or Freudian slip? And NO, I am not in anyway implying that Jon is trafficking drugs, but I am just curious why that was said when there was no insinuation that he was. The only things I know about Jon doing illegally in the animal trade was that he was selling primates and other exotic mammals and that some of the deals he did weren't exactly all about the law(he provided this info to me back when he and I were talking regularly). But I wouldn't think they'd be after him NOW for things that happened years ago.

And as far as licenses...unless you are dealing with exotic mammals or endangered species, I know here in NY as Pet Store Owner, you need no special licensing.
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I will look this up myself, but I highly doubt that a retail pet store would not be required to have any kind of pet dealer's license or permits. I do know for a fact that business license is required in NY state, outside of that I am not 100% sure. I am checking to see what else is required from some people up your way, but I find it very difficult to believe that there is no system to license retail pet stores.

I'm sorry Theresa, but apparently you know about this board and you say you've been doing business with Jon for some time, yet you didn't come to his defense in the other threads questioning how he's been doing business. Perhaps you just missed them, though. But I am just finding NOTHING kosher with this thread at all.
 
You're WRONG Rob Hill....

Veronica stated earlier...just read back:

"the FBI is watching him because he ships out of the west palm beach area. They are watching for illegaly imported animals as well as drugs"

So it was NOT a freudian slip.

And as far as licensing you DO NOT need any special licensing for a retail pet store, except a business license which can be either DBA, Partnership, Corporation, etc.

*USDA licesnsing only covers exotics (for exhibition, breeders, or retail stores) this DOES NOT cover reptiles and snakes, mice or rats.

*NYS Ag & Markets only covers cats and dogs in a retail store.

*NYS DEC (ENCON) only convers protected/endangered species.

And my name is Alison NOT Theresa.

I was simply saying that I have dealt with Jon for some time and have never had problems with him or the way he conducts business. Anytime I have called him on what he has available or for sale, he sells me that and never says he doesn't have it. Maybe when some people have called Jon regarding animals he has posted they are sold which is why they're not available. I know this happens with us and many other people, you post an animal, sell it, then get another call and you have to say that you do not have it anymore.

I am not here to put anyone down or bash anything. Except all that has been said about the FBI/IRS and all of this is not right to do someone. I posted b/c I have never had a problem with Jon, his animals or his business.

Rob, you are wasting your time trying to dig into how to get my business in trouble as we are 100% legal. I have never dealt with you as a customer and you have never dealt with me a business, so I ask that we please leave it at that.
 
Need full name

Hi Allison, you need to post your full name in Posts to the BOI. I believe that is why Rob H. called you Theresa. Teresa is the name of your customer in your reference. If you don't post your full name the Webslave will delete you.
Take Care, Rob B.
 
Oh Ok. That was just an email we had received that someone else was very happy with Jon's snakes, her name is Theresa Johnson..Thanks Rob B.

Alison Tornambene
Upstate Exotics
 
Your post before said THERESA JOHNSON, so therefore I assumed your name was Theresa.

And I am not attempting to get your business in trouble. I could honestly give a rat's a$$ about your business hundreds of miles away from me. I was only saying that I find it hard to believe that there is NO kind of licensing system for retail petstores in NY other than a business license.

And if by this...

I am checking to see what else is required from some people up your way
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you assumed I am trying to get you in trouble, back up and turn yourself down a notch. I know some people up in NY that run a pet store and I have asked them about it. I am not out to get you in trouble, I am sure if you wanted to be in it you would be;)

And the quote you mentioned about the drugs, perhaps we are taking it different ways. From what I understood of the quote, they were implying that all packages from the West Palm area were being looked at for drugs and illegal animals. I will dismiss it as just internet miscommunication:)

Bottom line, though, this thread is fishy from the start. As I stated I am not a fan of Jon's, but this whole FBI and IRS investigation is probably a load of crap. Jon may have done some questionable things back in the day and back with me and my friend, but he's not a drug dealer.
 
For what it's worth, I understood the original post saying that the FBI was interested in illegally imported animals and drugs as applying to ALL of the packages being shipped from that area as well. I did not see Veronica accusing anyone of being a drug shipper or involved with drugs in any way. Maybe I missed something, though.
 
HMMM

You sound like there is something up. First of all, the FBI would have nothing to do with animals OR drugs.My father is a retired DEA agent, DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. That is who would be "calling you". Second of all it is against every policy and code, especially for the FBI, to call, they will always be there with a badge in your face. I could call you up today and say i was in the FBI, and im investigating your mother. Doesn't make much sense,HUH! Third, i doubt the FBI would consider 2 fat tails ALOT of money. What is that like 100 bucks, Were they albino, even if, what 300 bucks. 13 million in a kidnapping is ALOT of money. You throw the prefix FBI around like you know them. I personally think you are lying. Just an opion. Liable is a felony (even on the internet). Any written word that harms a persons financial, social, or personal wellbeing, found to be a falsehood. Be careful what you write. You can't just go around throwing accusations.

Thomas Elwood
 
after long consideration I have asked the owners of this forum to remove this thread. Due to the fact that Jon is now calling my house and threatening legal actions. HE insists on a written appology.

Ok here it is... I appologize for tipping him off that he is under investigation. I appologize if I had in anyway insinuated or falsely posted that he was under investigation for drugs.

Fact: i was called by an FBI agent. True.. i did not think to write the guys name down or get a number to contact him back. Fact: he asked me what my dealings were with Jon and if I had any problems with him. Fact: he said this was all due to the money transfers via paypal and all his shipments out of florida.
Fact: he said there are allot of drug dealings going on out of the state of florida which are going through the mail.
Fact: I do not have any proof for this conversation, its not on tape nor do i have the mans name or number.

So please Jon stop calling my house at all hours of the night and stop calling my friends. You are bordering on harassment now. My husband spoke to you on the phone and told you that he would speak to me about this. He then left you a message saying I would try to have the thread taken off the board. Don't call my house anymore and upset my children. Your call after 11pm last night was unnecessary and unwanted.

My original intentions for my post as you can see by the very first posting I put up was to try to share experiences about bad dealings with some buisnesses. I did not post his name or his business name in my first post but after seeing so many requests for his name I thought I would try to be a good citizen and let everyone know so that they can have the heads up on this guy. If anyone chooses to do business with him then that is on them.

Sorry for trying to be a good citizen although my intentions were to share an experience and gain information on how to find out more about a business or person who sells I see it has backfired.

Veronica Davidson
 
VERONICA

What you did as far as I am concerned is harmful. You never answered my question as to whether you were scammed by this person, or did not receive what you paid for. For whatever reason you felt obligated in letting everyone know about how unscrupulous Next World Exotics was, and I still dont seem to understand what he could have done to you. For sure, you did not loose any money. He did not steal from you. Your post was nothing more than taking a mole hill and making a mountain out of it. Personally, I think your nothing but a trouble maker. I would also contact Kingsnake if I were you. and apologize to them as well. JERRY TRESSER
 
Just for the record, she does state in her first post that one of the geckos showed up nearly dead, that he didnt inform her when he was shipping, and that he had some not-so-great ways of dealing with customers (being very pushy, not having animals that he advertises, etc etc). And remember, we all pushed her to give the name out.
Dana
 
I have to post this last one... I spoke to a retired cop friend who explained to me that that phone call i got wasnt on the up and up. She advised me to get caller ID and record my calls. She said she has seen this many times where people will phone others trying to get information on someone and set them up or the person they are calling.
I appologize for my neive attitude and not investigating the caller.
I am going to get caller ID put on my line and write down and keep track of any more phone calls I might get pertaining to this.
I think i was wrong to post so hastily (sp) As for the rest of the ordeal with the shipping that was all whitnessed by me and my family and thankfully the animals made it.
Had i the chance to do it all over I would not order at all from anyone online to have shipped. This was too much for me and my family to witness and now these phone calls.

my only intention was to prevent anyone from getting in further trouble
Veronica Davidson
 
Veronica.... As is said.... Don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch!.... There are HUNDREDS of very honest, knowledgeable, and professional businessmen (and woman) out there to deal with over the internet.... The next time you see something you want, just come here FIRST and INQUIRE about that person or business.... it will save you a lot of time and money.... good luck to you!

....Neil
 
Veronica,

I agree with Jerry. What is it that you are complaining about? Was it the lack of communication about the shipping? Are you disatisfied with the geckos? Maybe it's appropriate at this point to remember the words of the Webslave.

Perhaps if it hasn't already been addressed in the General Business Discussions forum, maybe we should think about some sort of guidelines as to what constitutes sufficient cause to post a 'bad guy' thread here on the BOI. If we could hammer out these guidelines, then I would incorporate them into the general rules of the BOI to help guide people (at least those that read the rules) on what is considered proper and fair to consider as sufficient cause to call someone to the mat on a transaction that appears to have gone sour.
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I have had many good business dealings through fauna.
I have also made a few close friends too from here. Its nice to share ideas and experiences with people who have something in common with you.
I got so tired of just doing my multiple sclerosis support group and research that it was down right depressing. This group has cheared me up and giving me more in life than just my chat line and kids.
Its a hobby and its fun. Sometimes the crickets are more entertaining to watch but you gotta love em lol
Veronica Davidson
 
UPSTATE SAYS HER BOXES ALL SAY:
Every box we have ever received from Jon has said in big bright red letter says "LIVE REPTILES".

THE BOX I RECEIVED SAID "PERISHABLE" IN RED

VERONICA DAVIDSON
 
I don't trust much of this thread. There's a whole bunch of misspelled replies from new accounts that insist they know exactly how things work.

I happen to love this quote myself: "Liable is a felony (even on the internet). Any written word that harms a persons financial, social, or personal wellbeing, found to be a falsehood. Be careful what you write. You can't just go around throwing accusations."
 
I agree with Pennebaker, she did state that one of the geckos was upside down and nearly dead. She also said that they were pushy.
I think maybe she jumped the gun with the phone call she received but she still has some valid points about this person and the transaction, and in the times that we are in now, the airport does check at random a lot of people and packages. Now that she stated that the box just said "perishable" that could make it seem suspect, not to mention the fact that perishable could be a box of cookies and not treated with as gentle of handling than a live animal.
I have also noticed that she has taken her picture off under her name. I would think she was a little intimidated to say the least of all the phone calls she is getting lately. And we still haven't heard from the man himself "Jon".
Maybe she could take a pic of the box, that is something and would show that maybe one of the geckos could indeed have been almost dead. But then again because she did jump the gun on the phone call and this guys pushiness has gotten lost she may just want to forget this and hope he just goes away.
All too many times this is typical of the little guy being intimidated by the bigger guy and just taking their lumps. Sad

Rozann Lamont
 
Ok

Well sorry Steve. Some of us obviously aren't as educated and as wise as you. Didn't see you interjecting much.
 
hold the phone

personally i think this whole post is full sh!t and I belive for some reason Veronica is trying to dirty this poor mans name. OK but here is what i want to know, veronica? this is what you had originally said.......

Originally i mearly wanted to warn people to watch out who they deal with and to not only check them out but to listen to those bells and whistles that go off in your head when you feel something isnt right.
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and that reason is noble, something to help other spot the cons but then you go to say....

Since the guy is under investigation I just hope no one here tips him off.
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Now that is just plane stupid. This is a public forum !!!!!!!! do you honestly believe no one who knows him will tell him? or that perhaps he doesnt read or post here?
I do not know either of you but Veronica it sounds to me you are just trying to cause trouble for some reason. Hey and maybe you have good reason but maybe you are going about it the wrong way.
The whole story sounds like bullsh!t to me... nothing really adds up.
And once it seems like everyone is not backing her up and call her on it
what does she do??
appologize

blah
 
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