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Bad Deal With Chris Steele , Need Help And Advice

Chris, if you do not want to post the emails, that is prefectly fine. Does not bother me at all.

Vince, A week is FAR from the end of the world. Whatever happened, you both came to an agreement to ship today. For a very understanding reason it did not happen (Box searched by UPS and USPS closed). Bottom line is there are two things people learned about you.
1. VERY impatient
2. Don't think too much before you speak.

Chris, out of curiousity, what day did he Paypal you the money?

I also know Vince that it has been very cold the last TWO weeks in the northeast, east, and southeast. I am waiting to ship a boa to NY and another boa to Arkansas. The animal come first in this, I know that because I am the seller. I would rather have someone a little upset because they are anxiuos to get their animals vs. sending them EXACTLY when they want them and have them die.
Just have to suck it up and deal with life sometimes..........OR find a new hobby for yourself where you do not have to ship!!!
 
My only concern with you right now, is that someone will come by and look at my name as a bad deal and not read the thread. I don't really want the thread deleted though, as even more of your arrogance has came out here. It would be best, in my opinion, if the title were changed from 'Bad Deal With Chris Steele' to something more along the lines of 'Vince Russello, The Arrogant!'
 
1. VERY impatient
2. Don't think too much before you speak.


yep you are right. when money is in the air i am very imatient. I pay pald him yesterday . but forget it , i made this thread becuse i didnt think he was going to send my money back. as soon as he did i posted it , sorry for makeing the thread. is wasnt needed. your not a bad guy, but in my opinion you do not do good bussiness.
 
I cant believe this HORSE SH!T THREAD. You have got to be kidding me.

FIrst off vince, you wasted his time, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUD.

Secondly before you pay someone for a animal, be prepaired to get THAT ANIMAL. By this I mean, dont get in such a rush man. I am personally waiting on over 3 grand worth of animals from a couple people, for a few months, one of whom Ive never dealt with before. But you know what, I did my homework, and I am comfortable wth who I purchased from. I also understand delays happen. I personally have had my packages searched by ups. In fact I will tell you flat out its going to happen more. They are clampling down. I have a exemption to ship ups, and they still try to say no to my boxes. It happens, deal with it.

Next weather is a factor that shouldnt be taken lightly. Again refer to the animals Im waiting on, and the weather is why. Its very cold here and I will not let them ship them to me, let alone demand they do such. I also have packages to ship out, and none of my coustomers are on here like a two year old kid pissing in the wind about the 2 dollars they lost. You sound like the kid off of (and Im dateing myself here) Better pff dead "I want my two dollars"...let it end. Im sure the emails when posted tommorow will only continue to show the level of person you will deal with should you sell to vince.

I remebered you from the Jeff Huston thread, and would have thought you learned a lesson. But I see you havent, and were forced to eat crow again. Then only seconds later you puke it up and start with the "two dollars" again.

Give it a break, you loose, your lucky you got your monety back.

I agree, added to the "Do not sell to list" allthough if I were to be honest he was allready there.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
Yesterday? and you are already complaining about shipping? Thats absolutely rediculous. This definately needs to be deleted, or hell even better yet, chris needs to make a bad guy post about you.
 
I say let it stay and edit the heading.

For one, Rich doesnt want to start pulling threads. He stated his "facts" we all seen what happened.

I honestly think this makes Chris look great, and vince look avoidable. However maybe a new thread title with either both parties names, or even just vinces name would be in order.

I suggest either

The Chris Steel x Vinnie Deal

Or Better Yet

Useless thread Volume #1 by Vinnie

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
hey one more time, with out saying any other comments,

sorry for this post, i was just worried about my money. deals go bad, i never said he was a bad guy. and sorry for wasting time and space with this thread. it could of been worse. sorry everyone live and learn
 
Yeah, it could have been worse.

You could have been "wrobed!" (See Vinces heartless premature post on page one of the Jeff Houston thread.) You really are in a league of your own Vince. Add me to the list of people who wont be doing business with you.

Michael
 
Ok, my last comment on this, as I dont want to be overly harsh, or come off as a ass. The question I am about to ask you vinnie is something that I have to know. It may change the way I react to your post in the future even, who knows.

How old are you. Normally I wouldnt ask a question like this, but Im not sure if I should take your posts as childish ranting or if your an adult. Im just trying to get a idea of you recent mindset. It seems to me everytime your name pops up theese days it happens in a negative way, that you soon feel compelled to appologize for.

Honestly you seem like you might be a nice enough guy, just a bit misguided. I also have a feeling your likely "younger" then I may have thought at first, and that may explain some of your impulsive behavior.

I would assume by now your well aware that this is a public forum that has great reach in this community. If your looking to stay in said community for long in a friendly manner, I would consider one thing in the future. Patience.

Next time you go to post here, maybe take a few minutes, or even a day to think about what your going to say or post. Make sure you realize this is here FOREVER in theory, and your actions will be remebered by a large number of people in this trade. Also the negative things you say against someone are always a word search away, so why cry "wolf".

I know I personally take great pains to think long and hard before I decide to join into, or start a post. I dont (and others may disagree with me here) post because I like to see my name. Or because I think I have all the answers. I post because this is a community I have spent a long time building relationships in, as with many of the people here, and I honestly feel this site could some day make a great difference in the way we all do business.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
Vince,
I think Mickey brought up something that I had thought of before. That being your age.
I might be completely wrong, but I would bet that you ARE a younger person who has a great interest in reptiles. One thing you really need to understand is although this MIGHT be a hobby to you, this is a LIVELIHOOD and a way to SUPPORT FAMILIES to others. This site, although I believe in it 100%, can be the final straw for people and their future. Like Mickey said, that is why one MUST take the time to think about what they are saying in replying to a post and even MORE SO when starting a thread like you did.
I can understand where you may have been 'worried' about your money, no matter the amount, our hard earned money is important. On the other hand, there are VERY FEW people that would rish everything they have for $140. Not to make light of it, ut that is change when compared to the money people have invested in their collections. There are people, like you learned with Jeff Houston, that have 10's of thousands of dollars invested in what they do for a living on be it on the side.
If you are worried about your money, and again rightfully so, you need to think LONG AND HARD before you decide to ever do a deal on the internet again. When I first learned of the internet world I spent MONTHS before I said anything in relation to a single post anyone made. That was even with 9 years prior experience (at the time) in the reptile trade. I am not suggesting you sit by and not speak, but just keep listening to what I have to say. I spent months reading all I could. I wanted to learn about the people that were here. I wanted to know who was the 'good guy' and who was the 'bad guy', who had knowledge I cuold learn from and who did not.
One thing alot of people think, and this may or may not apply to you, is that these forums are just chat rooms. In some cases they are, but in others, like this very BOI, they are far from.
I have no idea how much experience you have with reptiles, who you know, who you don't know, how long you have kept reptiles, and what you have. All I can say is, like someone mentioned before, take this as a lesson learned. Don't appologize like you did in regards to Jeff and then go around and do the same thing again like you did here. Appologies only work if you do not make the same mistake again. First time is a lesson learned, second time and beyond is shame on you.
I am NOT trying to lecture, talk down to you, or put myself on a high horse. I am just trying to let you know that what you have potentially done is messed with the future success of someone who, in this case, did NOT and I repeat did not deserve to have his name put up here for what you thought was just letting out frustration or whatever it was.
You sent the money yesterday and just because you did not get what you wanted the very next day does not warrant a post that someone is a 'bad guy'.
Customer service is a great thing. I will do whatever I have to do (and so will many others) to insure that I get what one pays for in a healthy and safe manner. I will do so even if it makes someone mad for having to wait a few extra days. Chris took all the right precautions in deciding that he may not be able to ship next week due to the weather. I would imagine he did not want to ship tomorrow because there are very few people that will take the risk of shipping past Wednesday for the next days arrival. If he were to ship tomorrow (Thursday) and something happened to where it could not get there Friday (something with shipping) it would then have to sit in a box until Monday. If he shipped to you on Monday, regardless of the weather, just to make you happy so you can get your way and the animal died due to temperatures would you be willing to write it off as a loss? I did not think so. So then CHris would have to refund your money for an animal that died in shipping and now he is out the money AND the animal. NOT a risk I would take for you either!

The last suggestion I could make is this. If you cannot handle the time it takes to insure safe arrival of another living creature and you cannot control your patience, I suggest you forget the internet and go buy from the local pet store!!
 
I swear to $%#!...

My only concern with you right now, is that someone will come by and look at my name as a bad deal and not read the thread. I don't really want the thread deleted though, as even more of your arrogance has came out here. It would be best, in my opinion, if the title were changed from 'Bad Deal With Chris Steele' to something more along the lines of 'Vince Russello, The Arrogant!'

The first sentence of this quote sums up about half of the "bad guy" posts on this forum. Chris is right when someone does a search on a paritcular person most of the time they only read the "subject" line.

Jeff houston, please let us know EXACTLY what was stolen, copy of police reports and all other info. no offence to you but when you start asking for money you should provide the proof that this really happend. and we all need to know the exact animals that where stolen incase anyone is soliceted to buy the same ones. its a sad situation, and i hate to be the one to question if its true or not, but its really easy to say hey i got wrobed everyone help out and donate what you can. = a big payoff.
and noone posted that link, if they did i would not have said a thing in the first place. i didnt know the extent and who really was the actual person who got wrobed. i thought it was just a private breeder. i am sorry that i did not hunt down all the info. but now that it was posted a lot of things are cleared up/.
Unfortunately these last 2 quotes sum up Vince pretty well. Stop posting unfounded crap and taking up space on this site with your moronic ramblings and foundationless accusations. Please?
 
One other thing...

Vince you apologized maybe a half dozen times in this thread (I'm not going to go count them) but after all of them except the last one, you went and started arguing again and badmouthing Mr. Steele, in one case the posts were one right after the other.

If you apologize, it needs to be sincere. It can't simply be something you say to get yourself out of trouble or to stop people from commenting that you then retract mere minutes later. Doing so will cause you to lose credibility.

It's not as if Mr. Steele even said anything really negative about you until you had apologized and then retracted it several times, he simply explained what the shipping problem was and what he had done to resolve it, then expressed some concern over the thread title. You were not instigated back towards negative postings or forced to deffend yourself in any manner, yet you chose to flip-flop back and forth between humble and falsely apologetic and antagonistic.

If you stand by your word, people will reccognize and respect it. Yes, there are mitigating circumstances which might cause you, in some select situations to have to revise your opinion but this clearly was not one of them. The suggestions that you calm down and consider the ramifications of your words before posting were all good ones and I second them. If you do not, then at least accept the responsibility for anything which you may have posted out of emotion rather than thought- bouncing between apologetic and angry is not accepting responsibility.
 
Brian Oakley, thanks for the advice.

to everyone else , just let these thread die , all your doing is promoting the subject title, you all where worried all that people would see if the subject, while everyone is posting on here it keeps it at the top. and for everyone doing a search I made a 2nd "good guy thread" explaining what happend with the deal. what more can i do. i jumped the gun on posting and it wont happen again. I said i was sorry, and all i did was say what I was thinking , just like all of you have. and as far as the jeff huston thing i said i was sorry to him too, but that other guy would have you belive other wise. i am just not comfotable when deals go bad , i guess i got spoiled by have a good run of good deals from start till now. and this wasnt even a bad deal like the title i gave it. it was more of a mishap. but bottom line i payd him , he promised to deliver , he couldnt fufill his end , i requested a refund, and he gave it to me , no problems. and by the way im 22 and this is just a hobby for me. sorry if i ofended any of you guys who this is a carrer for. thats not my intention at all. and if certain people do not want to do bussinss with me,becuse of this thread, then i guess thats life.
 
Just Where Did The Deal Go Bad?

Sorry Vince, but I think you still don't have a clue that this deal went bad BECAUSE OF YOU! Chris tried to ship the animals and ran into an unforeseen delay due to UPS opening up the package. I have a customer from Michagan that paypaled me $1,850 about three weeks ago and has been patiently waiting for two animals to be shipped. The temperature where he's located does not merit taking any chances shipping. I've maintained contact with him and he's well aware that the animal's safety matters most here. He's also confident that they are doing excellent in my care until it is safe to ship. As soon as the weather turns I will have his package on the way.
What you need to realize is there needs to be some level of trust and patience involved when dealing with shipping live animals especially where the SHIPPER IS GUARANTEEING LIVE ARRIVAL and will eat the cost of any mishaps.
Do me a favor Vince. I've never requested this from anyone before but please do me one favor if you will. DON'T EVER RESPOND TO ONE OF MY ADS! You're absolutely clueless about this business and I don't need a bad reputation for no reason.
Man, talk about a seller's worst nightmare. Give me a break!
As far as I'm concerned you don't merit owning one of my animals.
Chris, you did everything you possibly could have in this situation and the fact is you just can't satisfy some people.
 
The Email Convo

I can't really just post them because he didn't reply, he started new emails. I will just post the bad ones and in some cases the times inbetween them to show the impatients.
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those juvies look like <font color=red>[bleep]</font>. lol i meen no offence, but they look bad. are you sure about the extra 100 dollar price tag?
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he asks when he should pay, then a few minutes later he says we are doing it right? then a few more minutes he says so whats up? then a few more and he says this "is this deal going to happen or what? i was ready to send the money today but you said to wait another day. so what do you think?" I dont think he realizes its not instant messenger.
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I reply to that saying something like, yes the deal is on, you need some patients (dont know exactly what i said because he didnt do replies or whatever) 10:43 he says your sending them tomorrow, right?--10:50 "listen i need the final price, and i need to know what day your going to ship out the geckos"--11:02 "do you not want to sell me these or something?"--I reply and say something like have patients and give him some info on the deal--11:14 "lol what are you talking about? im trying to work out this deal and i keep thinking your getting off line."
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I think he said something that made me mad and I said I wont do the deal or something (i deleted some emails) "dude your a f*ckn c*ck sucker. how the f*ck do you do bussiness, u dumb f*ck"
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if i am not mistaken, i said something about that being a very wrong thing to say and that i done nothing wrong--"your the worst bussiness man i ever met, go f*ck your self ."
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I told him i wont sell to him, he said that he really wanted them and i emailed telling him i will if he can refrain from cursing then the next day he appologised and said he had had a bad day and then we talked on aim.
 
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