BAD GUY Charles Schuck CSReptiles

[dzoo]

Well now that Charles has explained it the situation is clear as a bell!

He has been back into Reptiles for 5 months but has kept detailed records on the Ball for the past 3 years and the records are so detailed that he forgot someone was breeding it to an Albino..... an easy mistake to make!

I have only been back into reptiles for 5 theses month returning from a 6+ year break. I was able to keep a few herps with me.

Date or purchase, feeding, and ect. for the past 3 years can all be proven, I keep very detailed records for all my reptiles ).

and has never been breed until this year, Which was found out later by me.

I doubt Aaron would have shipped the snakes before a deal was finalized and you state you were "all for it" then you state you were still considering it , then it sounds like you agreed until you found out your Ball was valuable - Doesn't make sense. You agreed to the trade, be a man and follow through - its not Aarons fault if you didn't know what you were doing. Someone thats as experienced as you claim to be and buying 20 snakes per month must have some idea of market values.

Aaron and I talked about a trade and in which I was all for, Which I still was under considering the payment due to the value of my ball python. Which was the ONLY reason why he sent the snakes so very soon. After reviewing currently prices and information from other breeder I found that this was not an even deal.

Charles - name a couple breeders you have bought your 20 snakes per month from or have some come here to post their positive deals with you......

I have been purchasing over 20 snakes per. on average per. Month from online breeders for the past 4 months.

 

[dzoo]

Post some proof

Post a copy or picture of the receipt for this alleged money order that you sent Aaron to prove you actually tried to send it - Don't say you don't have one because you would need it to check the status or cancel the M.O.

http://faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74384

 

[csreptiles]

Read the POST: I thought the following was Clear: " I left I will post additional details later. " meaning Additional information will follow. " ( I.E. I was planning to post the rest of the information after I collection it all ) I sure you can understand now! Again the wageement was based on Both Payment and or trade Which is correct I really didn't at the time kow the vaule which is why the payment option was left open I thought. Which was the misunderstanding in the frist place. As for other posting I had to pay before could get access which is why I it has taken so long. I'm done with any more efforts in this matter.

 

[csreptiles]

dzoo maybe you need to reade the thread over:

Post a copy or picture of the receipt for this alleged money order that you sent Aaron to prove you actually tried to send it - Don't say you don't have one because you would need it to check the status or cancel the M.O.

I have stated in my message that I have the receipt ( invoice ) from the money order again get the your facts streights before posting please.

 

[csreptiles]

dzoo

Well now that Charles has explained it the situation is clear as a bell!

-You sure has a few more question.

He has been back into Reptiles for 5 months but has kept detailed records on the Ball for the past 3 years and the records are so detailed that he forgot someone was breeding it to an Albino..... an easy mistake to make!

-Correct, I was away in fr 6+ years, I had a few reptiles with me. As stated before I had a 300+ collection back then. And after selling my reptiles to a several breeders and ect. I went to college. In Augest I started purchasing repitles. As for the records I explained in my thread that I have designed a Reproduction and Husbandry database to collection information. Which I have been using for over 5 years wiht the herp that I kept in college. As for forgot I stated I didn't know. I have a Partner ( which is also stated ) ans he started breeding them without me knowing.


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I have only been back into reptiles for 5 theses month returning from a 6+ year break. I was able to keep a few herps with me.

-This ment Breeding Sorry if you could't understand!

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Date or purchase, feeding, and ect. for the past 3 years can all be proven, I keep very detailed records for all my reptiles ).

-This is When I purchases the Albino Het

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and has never been breed until this year, Which was found out later by me.
-The Answer to this is listed above.


I doubt Aaron would have shipped the snakes before a deal was finalized and you state you were "all for it" then you state you were still considering it , then it sounds like you agreed until you found out your Ball was valuable - Doesn't make sense. You agreed to the trade, be a man and follow through - its not Aarons fault if you didn't know what you were doing. Someone thats as experienced as you claim to be and buying 20 snakes per month must have some idea of market values.

-What you doubt is your option, I doudt that I would have got into a deal with a reptile thatI really didn't know the vaule of, Again this was to have a payment option also inwhich later I decided to do and payment was sent point blank. I sent the money order and will post the image today!

 

[Chameleon Company]

Charles,

Maybe you are in a hurry when you type, but even so your explanation is kind of "all over the place". No need to parse words or phrases, but most of us would find it somewhat peculiar for anyone to do a deal (as you claimed Aaron did) where the method of payment (snake or money) was still open to the buyer after receiving the goods. But even so, if that was your understanding, you have neither paid cash for what you received or shipped the snake as payment. You have been obligated for some time here to make a form of payment, or return the animals. That makes for three options: send money, send the ball python, or return Aaron's animals. Since it was you who changed the deal, by your own admission, all in this forum would defer to Aaron the choice of cash or return of his animals That a check has become lost is your problem to solve, not Aaron's. Makes no difference how long it takes for you to receive a credit from the issuer of the money order. You intitiate a "stop payment", and then complete the deal.
Me thinks you need to take a step back Charles, from your recent re-entry into the hobby. Your situation is not complicated, and not in need of long explanations and assumptions as to the motivations of others and excuses. The path you are currently charting is making the possibilities of success for you all the more distant, and in my estimate you are racing for the border area of the impossible. Keep simple fixes simple, make them history quickly, and then move on !

 

[csreptiles]

Maybe you are in a hurry when you type,
- Well Your correct there, Seems I dont all the free time you do posting. So sorry for all the grammer issues. My day is very busy!


but even so your explanation is kind of "all over the place". No need to parse words or phrases, but most of us would find it somewhat peculiar for anyone to do a deal (as you claimed Aaron did) where the method of payment (snake or money) was still open to the buyer after receiving the goods.

-This again is your option, I TOLD YOU what I thought our deal was to be like, Tade and or Payment POINT BLANK.

But even so, if that was your understanding, you have neither paid cash for what you received or shipped the snake as payment.

-I did pay I sent a Money Order, The issues is that he says that he has not recivied it, I will be returning back to the office to scan the copy in later today.

You have been obligated for some time here to make a form of payment, or return the animals. That makes for three options: send money, send the ball python, or return Aaron's animals.

-Yea as if you'd so the same? I sure if yuo wher in my shoes you'd see where I coming from. Again If I send another money order I have paid $770.00 for a pair of Bloods. Sending another payment does not clear the money lost on my end. At this point we don;t know whom have lost the payment and as a fact ONLY can confirm that the payment has been made which a image will provided later.

Since it was you who changed the deal,
-Stay wihtin the fact, I again as listed above tought that the payment would still be an option.

by your own admission, all in this forum would defer to Aaron the choice of cash or return of his animals That a check has become lost is your problem to solve.
-Now sure how you figure unless your telling me that I lost it?? AS this point again nonthing has been proven other then Aaron claims that he has not recivied it.

not Aaron's. Makes no difference how long it takes for you to receive a credit from the issuer of the money order. You intitiate a "stop payment", and then complete the deal.
Me thinks you need to take a step back Charles, from your recent re-entry into the hobby. Your situation is not complicated,

and not in need of long explanations and assumptions as to the motivations of others and excuses.

-I never gave an excuese I stated what happened and what issues I am dealing with. As for the long excuses there only be draged on by your careless replys.

The path you are currently charting is making the possibilities of success for you all the more distant, and in my estimate you are racing for the border area of the impossible. Keep simple fixes simple, make them history quickly, and then move on !

-I will tell you this, I own a Business and have been listed with the BBB for over 7 years. ( Advanced Integrated Solution, Inc. ). and from a business stand point you can't make everyone happy....

PS. As I thinking out it, I asked you as your several email to me about this issues, When I asked you about the Chameleons, I requested to send you the payment to have a 3rd party resend the payment to aaron and you stated you didn't want to be in the middle of this. So then why the post? or are we just running our mouth? You guys can say what you want, This will no hurt me any way.. Nor did the fuse claims to my place of employment about making business deals on business time, Guy you should have got the fact because the email we sent on my lunch break and ONLY stated that any more communication will be done in my personal email. I don't know whom it was it was. I guess we can make this the largest thread on this forum...

Chamco come post some else there and then get dzoo too follow you.

Thanks Guys...

 

[Chameleon Company]

Charles,
I am curious (about many things!), but in this case, how long does it take to institute a "stop payment" in Minnesota? No one wants to see something paid for twice, but it would be nice to see it paid for once !!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

So then why the post? or are we just running our mouth? You guys can say what you want, This will no hurt me any way.. Nor did the fuse claims to my place of employment about making business deals on business time, Guy you should have got the fact because the email we sent on my lunch break and ONLY stated that any more communication will be done in my personal email. I don't know whom it was it was. I guess we can make this the largest thread on this forum...

Chamco come post some else there and then get dzoo too follow you.

Thanks Guys...

This is a very small community, I would not be so confident that it will not hurt your business. Matter of fact when you contacted Jim about the chams as you could see he was already aware of the situation.

When conducting online sales all you have is your name and your reputation, at this point you have neither.

You have already shown that communication is unimportant to you during a transaction.
Your first post on this forum, you even invite comment, now you suggest that there should be none?

Well I can see that this as started a little thread there, Well as for everyone that has something to say here I am. It's taken a month due to the fact that I am in the development stages of designing a very large reptiles husbandry/breeding database. So as for any side of any story there’s two side. It is very important to get all the fact before publicly stating your option.

So, we are supposed to wait a month to comment on this situation, until you get around to posting? I don't think so. All you have done is prove that you are so self absorbed that Aaron’s version is most likely correct in every aspect.

Charles has not contacted me again. I have sent several more emails and another reminder from Paypal. I emailed both his work and home email address. He is not responding to me at all.
Thanks
Aaron Moore

I have sent several emails to Charles Schuck and several Paypal reminders. He is not replying nor contacting me in any way. I did file a complaint with the IFCC. Does anyone have any suggestions what else to do? He doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks, nor says to/about him. I am at a loss what else to do to try to get him to pay me for the trade he did not follow through on.
thanks
Aaron Moore

It's taken a month due to the fact that I am in the development stages of designing a very large reptiles husbandry/breeding database. So as for any side of any story there’s two side.

To use this as in excuse is pathetic.

 

[tiasman1]

Charles

Charles,

When I sent the blood pythons to you, there was not any discussion that you would not send me the ball python. You told me on the phone, and in emails that you would send her to arrive the following Saturday after you received my blood pythons. You emailed that you rec'd them, then decided to start making excuses. I am also very busy. I have about 50 snakes, work full time, and still make time to take care of business deals that I start. I have not been in the breeding side of reptiles very long, but do my best to make sure that I follow through on what I agree to do. You have been telling me for a very long time that you have sent a money order to me. The original story was that you sent a cashier's check, then a money order. I feel that I was well within my rights thinking that you should still send the female ball python, regardless of whether your partner wanted you to or not. You have told me that you would take care of this debt by today. I even posted your reply so that people would know that you communicated with me and made arrangements to complete the deal. You also state that you are going to send me one of the offspring from the female to make up for the time that this has cost. I don't see why you would expect me to believe that you would send me anything, when you haven't been able to complete a deal from the beginning of the 3rd week of October. I have completed 2 other trades and a purchase since dealing with you originally, and I have both my money and the animals from those transactions. You are the only one that cannot honor the deal you made with me. You technically owe me the het female. That is the deal. I am only accepting money so that I am not completely out of luck due to the experience with you.

Thanks

Aaron Moore

 

[tiasman1]

Charles

Charles,

While I am thinking of it. You stated that you lost the invoice I sent you through paypal. In case you have lost the several I have sent since. My Paypal address is:

[email protected].

You will find I am a verified member, and they are more than willing to accept the money from you to take care of this debt.

Thanks

Aaron

 

[Zoo Supply]

So this guy went to college, and he designed a reptile program for his computer and he can't even spell three words in a row together???
Something doesn't mesh there Charles. Seems like all your replies are gibberish because you can't even understand them.
Just my opinion though of course.
TOM

 

[Chameleon Company]

Since you mentioned this Charles:

When I asked you about the Chameleons, I requested to send you the payment to have a 3rd party resend the payment to aaron and you stated you didn't want to be in the middle of this. So then why the post? or are we just running our mouth?

I am quite confident that I made the correct decision ! But as I explained to you then, the status of this deal is not an escrow situation, and that there was no need for an alternative path to solving this than paying Aaron what you acknowledge that you owe, directly to him. Fortunately, this is not rocket science !

 

[Chameleon Company]

Need some clarification:

Charles, you stated this at the end of your last post:

Chamco come post some else there and then get dzoo too follow you.

My apologies, as I went to college in a different part of the country, and I do not understand your request. Clarify when you can ! Thanks.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

This will no hurt me any way.. Nor did the fuse claims to my place of employment about making business deals on business time, Guy you should have got the fact because the email we sent on my lunch break and ONLY stated that any more communication will be done in my personal email. I don't know whom it was it was. I guess we can make this the largest thread on this forum...

I have the facts straight.
I am the one who sent the email to Target and spoke to them after you have kept Aaron's animals for such a long period of time without a response. I know that this thread was viewed by some of those I contacted. I also know for a fact, that their policy is that their computers are not to be used for any activity outside work related situations, regardless if it is your lunch or not.
You gave the email address out as a point of contact for your business, which involves them as a company. If something goes wrong, and I would say something has gone drastically wrong when you keep someone’s animals and they have yet to receive anything over a month period, it involves them.
I hope they come back to view this thread to see how you have responded to this. As you said, it is no big deal that you used their email address, Not yours, because as Target has stated, they consider that mail box their property and are concerned about the use of it regardless, of when you use it to conduct a transaction (lunch).

Charles, If you do not know the policy your company has on Internet access, you can call the 1 800 number they provide me and ask them yourself.

I guess we can make this the largest thread on this forum...

If you choose to play games, it's your name and reputation.

You went back on a deal. You can argue that you had second thoughts after you received your part of the trade but your argument does not state that you received anything less than what was promised by Aaron.

If you received healthy well represented animals, then Aaron has fulfilled his part. It's unethical for you not to fulfill your part and then make him wait while you sort out what happen to your money order. Why should he have to wait on you any longer?
It shows how you would handle any other transaction with future customers. You may be to busy developing a "reptiles husbandry/breeding database" to send out an animal, refund a DOA, responding to future customer service issues.
You have stated you have been out of reptiles for a long time, well this is not the way to get back into it.

and from a business stand point you can't make everyone happy....

That is most certainly true but it's not something to use as a company slogan.
Aaron has given no reason for him to be considered untrustworthy. Why would you just not send him another refund? If the money order turns up, I'm sure he would do the right thing. After all, he is not the one that did not hold up his part of this agreement. He is not the one that did not respond to emails. He is not the one that keeps making excuses.

Oh, I can see why you might think everyone might respond the same way you have but everyone does not have the same ethics as you.

 

[dzoo]

Aaron - Can you refresh our memory about how much Charles owes you? Had you settled on a cash value for the Bloods once he reneged on the trade?

At this point I would take no less than the price you had the snakes advertised for, as well as your cost to ship them to him. I would not accept the Ball (as it may not be the HET or same animal that you were promised) and I'd be leery of accepting your Bloods back (who knows how they have been cared for or what they have been exposed to in Charles' care for over a month).

The USPS has this to say about Lost Money Orders:
Replacement of Lost or Stolen Money Orders
To replace a lost or stolen money order, a customer will need to fill our Form 6401 at a Post office and pay a fee of $3.00. After the USPS completes a payment inquiry on the status of the money order, a replacement can be issued.

So I can see that it would take some time to replace a truly lost M.O. but my point earlier is had a Money Order, in the amount owed Aaron even been purchased by Mr. Schmuck? Looks like it should have been purchased around late November?? If he can produce a receipt it would add some credibility to his story........................

 

[csreptiles]

I not enevr going to comment on the email issues, BUT it funny! way to go Dennis Hultman, I just lost my JOB@!! J/K! but good try any way back to my point my only issues was that I sent the money order! and Sending another one would be costing me an additional $300+89 shipping. NOW the real question no Bull!! Who at issues is this on? I guess from my point it like this, I'v been beat twice now, and this added in the 3rd. I can't afford to take it in the munp again and To tell you the truth I starting to get alittle mad! So here's my plan, I am going to contact paypal on money to find out if I send payment through paypal and the moneyorder come up cashed laster can I return my purchase if so then I will make payment on Monday!

 

[csreptiles]

dzoo again lack of infomration:

The USPS has this to say about Lost Money Orders:
Replacement of Lost or Stolen Money Orders
To replace a lost or stolen money order, a customer will need to fill our Form 6401 at a Post office and pay a fee of $3.00. After the USPS completes a payment inquiry on the status of the money order, a replacement can be issued.


-I got this rigt off the back of the USPS Money Order

An Inquiry from 6410 may be filed at any time for free. A replacement will not be issued until 60 days after the money order purchase date, provided the money order has not been paid.

Just throught I post the correct information.

 

[tiasman1]

money order/ cashier's check

Charles sent this email to me on 11/14.

Arron, I am st school and working late again... Sorry... I had my guy
send you the money, I thought your add was for $200.00 for the snakes
and shipping.. Sorry I will send you the additional $100.00 on friday.
It was send normal mail... IF you don;t hae it by friday I will cancel
the Certifed Check and nextday air you one... Also I attached a
Contract for the Sale of the Female... I am sorry abot this BUT We
have noticed her breeding wiht out male albino and it would not a a
good diea on our part to part with her now, When our deal was also
based on the puchaes of the snakes also... Althought the trade was
there the purchaes as also made avaible by you... Another things was
that I later foudn ou that we paid alot more for that snake than I
thought also... So I will make sure you end up with her later if yuor
stilll in need BUT as for you purchase of yuor snakes I have already
sent the money out to you...


Thanks...
I am going back to work now ... I will check my emails again nextday
this time... also, Sorry for hanging up on you but I was in class and
was ONLY making a call at the same time... Really on one has been
getting ahold of me !! I have been very busy with everything latly...
and Work has me on a very high end project now!!


He originally said he sent a cashier's check. Now it is a money order. Charles, you already told me that you confirmed that the money order was not cashed. You stated, in an email, that you would pay me by today. Your email stated by the holiday if possible, but definately by the end of December. That is today. You are getting into a pissing contest with everyone on Fauna. None of this changes the fact that you have made several statements on when/how you will pay me, yet none of them have happened. The only thing the pissing contest is going to accomplish is sour any chance you have of redeeming your reputation on a major source of revenue for a dealer in reptiles. I sent you the 1.1 blood pythons when/how I said I would. I also sent 2 packs of frozen rats for you to use to feed the bloods with for a while. The shipping cost me $89.76 for overnight because you insisted they arrive on Saturday, as that is the only day you would be able to receive them. All of the complaining and longwinded posts from you doesn't change the basic fact. You owe me $389.76 from the middle of October. You have not paid me. You change your story about how/when you sent me money. You state you are ready to pay me, but deleted the Paypal invoice. I don't care what your reasons/excuses are. I simply want the money you owe me, then there will not be any more reason for us to have any contact.

I just sent you an email asking for your intentions on paying me today like you said you would. Are you going to pay me today?

Aaron

 

[tiasman1]

Jon Cheris

Jon

The money order or cashier's check, whichever he claims to have sent, should have been mailed out the end of the first week of November. Charles had by this time told he that his "partner" would not allow him to send me the female het.

Thanks

Aaron