Bad Guy Bad Guy - Todd Tindol of Midland, TX/Carlsbad, NM

[AntiAmy]

amy doesnt hold me accountable so im done thanks

I don't hold you responsible, considering what I know. And obviously, I've been wrong about some things in my lifetime.

However, upon reflection, I'm curious as to why you seemed so firm in stating that you don't believe I deserve a refund, since this transaction is between myself and Todd. Also, I am still confused about Todd stating that you and he "are partners on this for the most part." I don't know why you were so quick to end the conversation with me when I asked, as I don't feel that I was being aggressive with you. Even with all that was said, I still don't hold you responsible based on what I know. However, I feel that there are possibly relations that I'm unaware of...?

I am just finding out that you had more pull in this transaction than you originally indicated.

Todd left me room to play and you cant hate me for wanting to make a few bucks but I sold it for 175 and gave todd all of the money.

I can certainly understand the stances of others when they state you have responsibility to the transaction. It is hard for me to determine how much, though. Did you take a cut in this sale?

 

[SeanSmith]

No Amy I made zero money on the sale, Todd got all of it, he got money from shane for his boa he is more than happy with, he got the money from Kym on the burm that shes more than happy with, im sorry your not happy with yours but I gave todd the money and dont have any to buy your snake. I also dont honestly see why a refund is in order when I told you countless times where the snake came from and I know nothing about boas and you yourself along with Todd thought it was a "salmon" and you took it home when you claim you know so much about them? You looked that snake over yourself for a long time and waited multiple weeks while you try to haggle the price down when I said I cant take less than $175 and had other offers you finally came and picked it up. It is honestly a nice snake but you bought it on the terms its a wholesale animal from an expo with zero info on its genetics and was perfectly happy with it until this mess started yesterday. You should have went to a breeder if you want a genetic sound animal.

 

[SeanSmith]

Get on the facebook group and look at your trade options and people willing to buy it from you, since its clear Todd doesnt want to buy it back you should look at other options since you are unsatisfied.

 

[Fangthane]

....You should have went to a breeder if you want a genetic sound animal.

None of the other garbage in that post was really worth addressing. However, I thought I'd amend that last line to make it a bit more honest.

Correction in bold:

....You should have went to anyone other than Sean Smith or Todd Tindol if you want a genetic sound animal.

Get on the facebook group and look at your trade options and people willing to buy it from you, since its clear Todd doesnt want to buy it back you should look at other options since you are unsatisfied.

Shady Ethics 101: Chapter 1, page 2, paragraph 5: "Eschew responsibility whenever possible. Let someone else clean up your mess." Classic.

 

[AntiAmy]

I also dont honestly see why a refund is in order

Because the snake was misrepresented.

Get on the facebook group and look at your trade options and people willing to buy it from you, since its clear Todd doesnt want to buy it back you should look at other options since you are unsatisfied.

As of now, I am finishing out her quarantine period. I haven't decided what the ultimate future of this snake is, but I am aware that I have options. However, I don't feel that immediately selling/trading her off would be very responsible, as we are indeed talking about a live animal.

 

[sanguine_mercantile]

Thank you for not holding me accountable, goodbye now. You were well informed it was an expo pickup from Todd and he was selling it to make some money since he is in hard times and I knew nothing about boas and you have visited my website and read the part about "wholeale stock"

She might not hold you responsible, but your responses and attitude sure make the concept of ever doing business with you pretty damn undesirable.

Just to get this straight:

You sold the snake for a guy in jail, but you did not really sell it because it was his snake and you only "brokered" the sale, housed the snake, advertised the reptile and then accepted the cash.

Also according to you any issues with the snake such as misidentifying the morph, health or sexing issues are considered void, but had you sold the snake you sold it as wholesale and that still nullifies any culpability you might have had.

Sorry, but your reasoning stinks.

 

[redhood23]

I'm confused. Bear in mind I have no experience with boa morphs whatsoever, which I guess is fine for this because it makes me an unbiased party. But you used those facebook comments as part of your evidence and almost everyone there disagreed with you (Clarissa Blackledge, Justin Mitchell, Brett Bloom, and Shane Anthony Rudd was undecided) about the snake not being a Salmon. The general consensus seemed to be that it was possible that the snake could be a salmon. Are they all wrong?

Going back to Todd's original words: "One was a normal Colombian and the other was sold to me as a Salmon."

I wouldn't have taken that as a guarantee that it actually was a Salmon.

I am not a boa Person by any means. I have bred hypo boas in the past, but the ones I bred were purchased from BHB reptiles, and I was sure of those genetics. I was probably incorrect on my post in the facebook group due to the fact I am not a boa person, and have only delt with boas I was sure of genetics on. I have since then decided to veer away from boas in general because the morphs are confusing to me for the most part. I m sorry for the issues you are going though with Todd and I think he should make it right. Hopefully this tread will help make things right.

 

[mikepanzarella]

Im trying to understand the being sold as wholesale with no guarantee.
I can understand if stock photo was used,colors being wrong,or something along the lines of that. but even accidental misrepresentation of the genetics should be covered.

 

[SeanSmith]

You know what Amy Chiu, I was completely honest with you throughout the whole deal. You know I know nothing about boas and you spoke to Todd Tindol before and after his jail sentence. You know 100% I sold the snake as a favor for him in hard times. You know you bought the animal as a wholesale animal from an expo with no guarantee whatsoever. You know you bought the animal from Todd Tindol even though I only handled the transfer.

You say its not about money and no need to be sensitive, my name may not be in the title of this boi thread but its right at the top and all over this mess. I have another kid on the way and my own problems to deal with but im still going to give you the $50 your asking for just to end this pointless mess YOU put me in... Once again I WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH YOU EVER AGAIN. Whenever you want your $50 send me a text and meet me where I work or off I20 in Midland and I will personally hand you the CASH even though I made ZERO dollars on this sale. I thought we were friends but obviously you care more about a lousy $50 than you do about our friendship.

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[SeanSmith]

 

[Teatime]

Sean: Why don't you just take the snake back and sell it as the pastel it apparently is? People keep saying that pastels are worth more money. That is one thing I don't understand about this situation. Here you're willing to give her $50 out of your own pocket when she doesn't even hold you responsible and apparently Todd made all the money on the transaction. You can just refund her, take the snake back, and then make a profit selling it again. It's clear Amy doesn't care about the money because she could sell this pastel boa on her own and make money, but she's only disappointed because she needed a salmon for her breeding project.

 

[ronritzer]

why dont you just post a classified ad and sell it ?? Problem solved. You could probably get more than $175

 

[AntiAmy]

You say its not about money and no need to be sensitive, my name may not be in the title of this boi thread but its right at the top and all over this mess. I have another kid on the way and my own problems to deal with but im still going to give you the $50 your asking for just to end this pointless mess YOU put me in... Once again I WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH YOU EVER AGAIN. Whenever you want your $50 send me a text and meet me where I work or off I20 in Midland and I will personally hand you the CASH even though I made ZERO dollars on this sale. I thought we were friends but obviously you care more about a lousy $50 than you do about our friendship.

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Sorry it took me some time to get back on here -- I'm currently out of town, but I found a free moment to address this.

First of all, as I stated (and you recognized) several times, I do not hold you responsible for this "mess." I titled this thread with Todd Tindol's name and only used your dialogue as supplemental evidence. Even at my angriest point, I did not ask you for anything, other than some explanation on Todd's statement that the two of you were partners. I generally give the benefit of the doubt to people, and I don't see this case as YOU ripping me off.

With that said, I don't think your offer of $50 is any form of compensation. Quite frankly, if you made no cut on this sale, your $50 isn't my money. In fact, I find your offer incredibly insulting. Contrary to what you believe in your head, I did not drag your name through the mud by posting this on Fauna -- You did it on your own. If you had no role in this sale other than the exchange of snake/money, I don't understand why you took such a strong stance against my case. To me, your offer of $50 is an attempt to recover from your poor reputation that you generated and to buy me off, so I will respectfully decline it.

The things that you are guilty of, however, are poor logical reasoning, weak character, and bad business ethics. Rest assured that I have absolutely no desire to do any more business with you either, and I cannot provide a positive recommendation on your services/products. The termination of this "friendship" was your own personal decision, and was completely in your own hands.

 

[Fangthane]

If you had no role in this sale other than the exchange of snake/money, I don't understand why you took such a strong stance against my case.

Definitely enough to make you go hmmmm. Todd registered an account here on the day that this thread was started (Todd's profile). Even after Todd had the ability to post here and defend himself, Sean still chose to be the mouthpiece of the operation. To me, that seems to lend credence to the idea that their partnership may amount to more than just a one-time incident of a friend helping out another friend, with purely altruistic motives.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Well Amy, the stance you have taken on this has really cast you in a good light. You seem to be a fair and just person. Good luck with your breeding project I hope you get what you are after.

Now Sean. Once again you come on here and make yourself look absolutely foolish. You seem to be the type that enjoys public ridicule. I feel the need that this is the second thread where you looked extremely shady and underhanded. I will also point out this is the second thread where you have been associated with people that have substandard ethics ( the other was Michael Voorheis). Good luck trying to salvage your reputation. I also wish you luck with all the fall out this will cause in your little fb group.

 

[SeanSmith]

Now Sean. Once again you come on here and make yourself look absolutely foolish. You seem to be the type that enjoys public ridicule. I feel the need that this is the second thread where you looked extremely shady and underhanded. I will also point out this is the second thread where you have been associated with people that have substandard ethics ( the other was Michael Voorheis). Good luck trying to salvage your reputation. I also wish you luck with all the fall out this will cause in your little fb group.

Im not associated with Michael Voorhies in any way or ever was Korbin, once again you jump on every bad guy thread you can find without even getting your facts together at all. You dont even have a boi thread good or bad but here you are the "drama queen" trying to put your say so anywhere you can.

You sold the snake for a guy in jail, but you did not really sell it because it was his snake and you only "brokered" the sale, housed the snake, advertised the reptile and then accepted the cash.

Correct, also Amy asked for a $50 refund and I offered it to her but havnt heard back yet, she still claims none of it was my fault... Amy was fully aware of me selling the snake for todd, no different than a pet store commisioning an animal for someone except I made ZERO off of the sale.

 

[SeanSmith]

Definitely enough to make you go hmmmm. Todd registered an account here on the day that this thread was started (Todd's profile). Even after Todd had the ability to post here and defend himself, Sean still chose to be the mouthpiece of the operation. To me, that seems to lend credence to the idea that their partnership may amount to more than just a one-time incident of a friend helping out another friend, with purely altruistic motives.

Im not a mouthpiece of any operation except the "snake broker" and my names all over this thread, read thru the 8 pages of comments to find mine and amy's and skip all the "drama queens" and you will get an idea of what happened. No altruistic motives here...

 

[SeanSmith]

Kevin Cable Keller just fyi Michael Voorhies is banned from my "little fb group" and I could care less if I lose members or not its a group of friends that share info with each other and its not about business for me, I recommend "Texas Reptile Classifieds" on facebook for people looking to rehome animals and willing to ship them.

 

[AntiAmy]

Correct, also Amy asked for a $50 refund and I offered it to her but havnt heard back yet, she still claims none of it was my fault... Amy was fully aware of me selling the snake for todd, no different than a pet store commisioning an animal for someone except I made ZERO off of the sale.

It isn't that I believe you are faultless -- you have shown plenty of them which reveal your character. Do I think you are a good guy? No. But did I make this thread is about you? No. The statement about you being Todd's mouthpiece definitely holds true.
I simply do not hold you responsible for the transaction. You made your proposition of $50 to me in this thread, which I responded to in this thread. I don't know how you could have missed it, but I'll quote my entire reply again below:

Sorry it took me some time to get back on here -- I'm currently out of town, but I found a free moment to address this.

First of all, as I stated (and you recognized) several times, I do not hold you responsible for this "mess." I titled this thread with Todd Tindol's name and only used your dialogue as supplemental evidence. Even at my angriest point, I did not ask you for anything, other than some explanation on Todd's statement that the two of you were partners. I generally give the benefit of the doubt to people, and I don't see this case as YOU ripping me off.

With that said, I don't think your offer of $50 is any form of compensation. Quite frankly, if you made no cut on this sale, your $50 isn't my money. In fact, I find your offer incredibly insulting. Contrary to what you believe in your head, I did not drag your name through the mud by posting this on Fauna -- You did it on your own. If you had no role in this sale other than the exchange of snake/money, I don't understand why you took such a strong stance against my case. To me, your offer of $50 is an attempt to recover from your poor reputation that you generated and to buy me off, so I will respectfully decline it.

The things that you are guilty of, however, are poor logical reasoning, weak character, and bad business ethics. Rest assured that I have absolutely no desire to do any more business with you either, and I cannot provide a positive recommendation on your services/products. The termination of this "friendship" was your own personal decision, and was completely in your own hands.

Additionally, I never asked for $50 back -- I honestly don't know where you got the amount of $50 from anyways. In my discussion with Todd Tindol, I proposed either 1) a full refund (with return of the snake) or 2) $100 partial refund, as that is my perceived value of this snake in my collection/plans.

Here is the quote from my original post, which occurred on 10/25/12 between myself and Todd Tindol. I chopped it up a little to remove the extraneous conversation.

7:10pm
Amy Chiu
if you're willing to take her back, i can care for her until you're back in the area... or i can pass her back to sean and have him care for her (if he's willing)
that's one option that i see. the other one is a partial refund of $100 and i'll keep her in my collection.

Out of everything you've stated, this statement is one that I agree with the most.

No altruistic motives here...

 

[snakeman101172]

Sean,
I have one question. If the animal in question belongs to your friend then why would anyone refer to YOUR wholesale terms on your website ? Thanks in advance.