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Ball Python Visual Hets

My pastel 66% het OG has hooks on her but Ive seen "the hook" in normal pastels as well, and I think its pretty common for them. :shrug01:

But yea im looking for specific traits in the babies form my dinker project, I wish I coulda held onto more of the females from the 09 clutch. The hook just threw me off because it resembles nuthin close to the fathers pattern. And to be honest she woulda been one of the last of my personal choices to hold back. Again tho next year Ill be jumping like crazy if I prove it out and if not ill just find some better normal females, make new hets and start over but hold back more than one girl.
 
i've got hooks on both normals and mojaves that are hatching out right now. i think it's just about as common and meaningful as an alien head.
 
which brings us back to my first post.. there is NO "tried and true" "tell" for recessive hets.. no true way to know for sure if a het is a het without proving it out..
 
Het russo's are not visual hets. As adults they look like light normals. Fires are also not visual hets. If it is purchased as a fire then that is what it is. Dinker normals can never be called a morph until they prove out. I hate that the word het is now being used for co-doms. They have a super form but if they are not actually het for a recessive gene, I don't think it should be called het. This confuses new comers and causes new breeders to possibly misrepresent their stock and offspring.

Some hets when combined with certain co-doms do seem to always have certain "visual" traits. Like pastel het clown. Always has connecting head stripes.

Leopard balls are always het pied.

Blush albino hets always hatch visual but change color later on.

Het caramels tend to be brighter orange with higher contrast in their markings.

Het clowns tend to be lighter overall. Like light normals are. They also have unusually large scales along the spine which are spaced farther apart than the other body scales.

Het pieds tend to have railroad tracks. The best of which can run 2/3 the length of the belly and hook into the vent on both sides.

But keep in mind.. All but one of these that I mentioned are NOT technically visual het signs. All of these so called "signs" and "markers" can and do appear in non hets. Likewise, many hets never have any visual markers.

The only one that I know of aside from the leopard ball always being 100% het, is the blush albino. This is the only one I know of at the moment where any black and grey normals that hatch (they look axanthic next to their siblings) are 100% visual hets.

Anything else which is not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, can not be considered a het unless it was purchased from a trusted breeder or has been bred and proven.
 
Monica wonderful post and thank you for sharing.

With the hets you were talking about visuals being called het for super form that really confused me the first time I heard it.

And why is a het red named a "het red"? That one stumped me for a long time. I though that were neat looking normals. There are already a butt load of names and for me they do get confusing.
 
scarnicom said:
And why is a het red named a "het red"? That one stumped me for a long time. I though that were neat looking normals. There are already a butt load of names and for me they do get confusing.
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I think this was either a poor choice of names, or a dinker nickname that stuck. Like if a lukewarm pastel was called a het super pastel because it looked relatively normal but had the potential to produce supers... It's still a codom rather than a het, though technically the term heterozygous refers to a pair of genes that are not similar. So Aa an aA are het as opposed to aa or AA, which are homozygous. If the big A is the trait desired, a pastel could be called Aa (A=visual) and a het pied is aA (where the hidden gene is the desired one A=hidden, with possible visual cues).

I'm only referring to the word parts "homo" and "hetero". I have NO idea if my logic is sound in a genetic sense. :D

But yeah, I think het red is kind of a dumb name since it's pretty hard to mistake a het ret and they always look different. Technically a leopard het pied might end up being like the het red someday if it is proven to always be linked to piebaldism.
 
Well a Pastel is the heterozygous form of the homozygous super, so while it doesnt make sense to the hobbist sometimes, its great for finding a scammer selling "het Pastels"

I laugh everytime I see those.

Really all u gotta do is educate urself. Type in Ball python morphs, punnet square, and anything related to it and you will get 100 different sites to each. A Het Red is the Heterozygous form of the Red Axanthic, so therefore that name is technically more accurrate and less confusing than most others I heard. I think were still trying to figure out what a freaking Hornet is.

Just read up on it, it only took me a couple weeks to understand basic genetics, and another month to learn most of the base morphs and combos that have been available to the public.
 
rcpreis3 said:
I think were still trying to figure out what a freaking Hornet is.

Just read up on it, it only took me a couple weeks to understand basic genetics, and another month to learn most of the base morphs and combos that have been available to the public.
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I seen Fred kick had one of those for sale and it looks absolutely crazy!!! Are you entitled to share the genetic makeup or is it somewhat a well kept secret?
 
Oh if I knew the genetic makeup believe me I would tell, (unless under sworn secrecy). Im suspecting its a bumblee g-stripe, but im not sure. I knew I read it somewhere...
 
All I can imagine is something with the genetic stripe. It's just absolutley insane, but not quite as insane as that albino pied paradox I just read about! Did everyone see the video link that garweft posted his thread on?
 
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