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Ball Pythons Genetics Question

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Hi, I have a quick question about ball python genetics. Say you want to breed two of a morph together (say, Mojave) you will end up with approximately 1/4 normal 2/4 mojave and 1/4 super. Now I recalled reading a while ago on some forum about a guy with an inquiry about the likelihood of producing super's with a certain morph (which for the life of me I can not remember, nor the forum) and I wanted to know from you guys of any morphs that it seems that while it SHOULD be 1/4 x 2/4 y and 1/4 z it ends up a lot different. That is a lot more supers or a lot more normals, etc. Thanks. Let me know if my question doesn't make sense.
 
That's right, the probabilities of each of those morphs are for EACH animal, not each clutch.

So, if you have a mojave x mojave breeding, EACH EGG has the following probabilities:
25% super mojave
50% mojave
25% normal

It's a little different than saying if you had a 4 egg clutch then you should get 1 super mojave, 2 mojaves, and 1 normal.
 
Sorry, I do understand what you're saying, my mistake, but does anyone know what I'm talking about or not really? I saw this forum and a number of people agreed that it just seemed more likely with some morph. And people said that from experience you just tend tend to get more of a certain outcome.
 
Those people just hit the odds. Its like saying a certain slot machine hits more often. You arent going to get the name of a morph that has a higher production rate out of this you will only get opinions. There is but one FACT and that is you never know until they hatch.
 
I don't know of any morphs that step outside those ratios. Although I have experienced a good year when I ended up with far fewer normals than the ratio would predict. It is all a roll of the dice, best thing you can do is keep your fingers crossed.
 
genetics are just like lotto scratch off's, you have odds and hope for a winner. Nothing is ever exact. Last year i bred a mojo to a mojo and had 7 eggs. out of the 7 I had 1 super and 5 normals and 1 mojo. The year befor with the same two snakes I had 5 supers and 2 mojos. It is just a roll of the dice. It is like last week i bought 10 $5 scratch offs. the odds of winning are 1 out of 3. I one 1 time out of 10.
 
lordhero3k said:
Sorry, I do understand what yo that saying, my mistake, but does anyone know what I'm talking about or not really? I saw this forum and a number of people agreed that it just seemed more likely with some morph. And people said that from experience you just tend tend to get more of a certain outcome.
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I get what your asking. I have heard people make claims like that, but it's usually based of a small sample size, bigger the sample size, the closer you get to the 1:2:1 ratio. I think the best example is flipping 2 coins, tails is normal gene, head is morph gene, two tails is a normal, one head one tails is your morph and two heads is the super morph. If I only flip 20 times, i might find my results are far from the 1:2:1, flip 100 times, chances are it will be much closer, flip 1000 times should even be closer.

Short answer, no there is no known anomaly like that, that imo has merit
 
Alright, thanks a lot everyone. I was just curious because I remembered reading about it and I was wondering how it exactly worked if it didn't follow basic Mendelian genetics.
 
The long and short of it is God creates life and it's up to him. I've hatched an 4 eggs clutch and got 3 supers. On the other end i've hatched a 4 egg clutch with 3 genes in play and hit 3 normals and a double. Nearly a total bust. Nothing is impossible. But if i added up 50-60 clutches i've produced. The odds would land squarely on punt-square genetics. It's more than the science of breeding. It's the creation of life.
 
In my opinion it is 100% the science of breeding. If we are getting religious with it..god isn't in the snakes deciding which eggs get which genes to make the snakes what they are. The genetic make up of the snakes themselves decide this, nothing more. Just my opinion.
 
Agreed, without getting into a philosophical debate on science and religion here, the processes involved with reproduction and inheritance are very well understood. If we really wanted to, we could completely control the genotype of the offspring merely by inserting the desirable genetic material into an ovum. However, that kind of direct control has really no applicability to most of us (indeed, it is quite expensive and removes the fun out of the equation anyway). Probabilities explain the process of inheritance quite nicely when you get a large enough sample, at least with clearly defined recessive, codominant, and dominant traits.
 
john33 said:
The long and short of it is God creates life and it's up to him.
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mgoblue347 said:
In my opinion it is 100% the science of breeding. If we are getting religious with it..god isn't in the snakes deciding which eggs get which genes to make the snakes what they are. The genetic make up of the snakes themselves decide this, nothing more. Just my opinion.
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interesting comments!

What if God created snakes and their reproduction.... then wouldn't both statements be true??

Just food for thought!
 
You are correct, both would be true. But then the question of whether or not one believes in god would have to be raised..if you do then yes they are all connected, if you don't, we'll then no they aren't.
 
To get back on topic. Yes you can write down in percentage on paper what you will get genetically. Very easy to accept. And i promise you that clutch will not turn out just like what you have on paper. More times than not my clutches turn out better. And that's a blessing. Not so easy to accept it's not my awesome breeding skills. But all i did was put two anaimals together. That has been my experience. Thats all i'm mean to say.
 
yes they all follow the basic guidlines of mendelian genetics they might hit great odds a few years maybe even a few consecutive years but if you take the overall ratio over its lifetime you will come back to the correct ratios, plus u need to take dominant, co-dominant and recessive into account
 
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