Inquiry BallBids.com?

[lonewolfrider]

Well, let me ask you about this statement, please. It appears to me that you are claiming that BallBids will not undermine the prices that breeders are trying to get for their animals because it is a "completely different concept altogether". Is that right? How so? What exactly is the main focus of the advertising of BallBids and the lure used to bring people to the site?

Let me give you a subtle hint directly from that site:

"SAVE UP TO 95% OFF MARKET VALUES!"

I don't believe that leaves much doubt about what the site is offering to prospective customers, now does it? Well, in case there is some doubt, again, let me offer a clue: LOW PRICES.

So, please explain to me how BallBids offering to be a provider of ball pythons (and I presume other merchandise) at a proclaimed 5 percent of actual retail value does not impact all of the other sellers of such products. Did not the person who won the last auction there who was interested in buying an albino ball python now have his or her incentive greatly reduced (or removed completely) from considering buying such an animal from an actual competing breeder? BallBids IS competing with other sellers, now isn't it? So please explain to me how BallBids advertising that buyers can get those same animals and merchandise from them at 95% off of their competitors prices is not going to hurt the business of those competing breeders. Didn't they just LOSE a potential sale? Yes, I do realize that whatever breeder sold that animal to BallBids does get paid their price, but that is not the point. The point is that BallBids appears to be competing against every breeder and seller of that same product yet offering the same merchandise at FAR LESS than market value. So tell me, how can that NOT eventually cause prices to drop across the board? The only way I can see that it would not hurt at least some breeders is if every one of them used BallBids SOLELY as their selling agent for their animals. Is that the goal of this business model? Seems to me that it would HAVE to be. Otherwise BallBids HAS to be competing against everyone who is NOT selling through them, drastically undercutting their competition's prices.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting the penny auction business model itself, in general, nor BallBids' utilization of that model specifically, all I'm asking is for a clarification of the statement you made quoted above in relation to actual FACTS.

There are no questions relating to your standing against Ballbids. You have proven it quite intently in you writings. It is unfortunate that you are the alleged Monitor here, you should relinquish your position as such while you continue with your personal agenda. But the fact still remains that Ballbids is not a replacement for the market and since you can't understand that, or just will not understand that, by all means push the Facebook Auctions many here have complained about. I have noticed them sell at half price. Does this not cause some competition with others? I have noticed on other auctions that nobody even buys the snake at the end because a reserve was not met. At least with Ballbids the snake is bought from the breeder at a fair market value. There is no reserve. The marketing campaign is significantly more than has ever been done in this industry before which will bring more people into the community shopping and buying all through the community. Someone will win the snake and others will see this and spark or re spark their interest, or they may just already be a community member that wants to have some fun expanding their collection. All of these factors increase sales and momentum within the industry as a whole and it begins with a fair market sale of another snake. It appears that most all of the “Haters” have been identified as being a small breeder, re seller, flipper (or having very close ties to one) and they just think that Ballbids.com will take money out of their pocket when in fact Ballbids was designed to help put money in their pocket; providing they are a quality breeder. Maybe you fall in to one of those categories. You certainly write like you have a dog in the fight when the only perceived fight deals with misconstrued notions of some. The condescending attitude you have displayed more than once towards Ballbids is evident and I will not continue to entertain you. If you can not understand the concept that Ballbids does not determine or decrease market values, and that it does increase sales and interest in the community, then you are no different that the few others that post here. Ballbids does not need your approval.

 

[Shaun33]

Its funny how a legit question is asked and Mark answer is, we know your position and how you should relinquish your position. Funny how there is no supporters supporting Ballbids here. Like Rich said there are 69,000 people register here and not one will say something positive. I think it says a lot. Especially I haven't seen any support on any other forums, facebook (paid likes don't count), anywhere other then 5-10 people commenting on their facebook page. But you claim Ballbids has support. Please point out where. I think that was the main question.

There are no questions relating to your standing against Ballbids. You have proven it quite intently in you writings. It is unfortunate that you are the alleged Monitor here, you should relinquish your position as such while you continue with your personal agenda. But the fact still remains that Ballbids is not a replacement for the market and since you can't understand that, or just will not understand that, by all means push the Facebook Auctions many here have complained about. I have noticed them sell at half price. Does this not cause some competition with others? I have noticed on other auctions that nobody even buys the snake at the end because a reserve was not met. At least with Ballbids the snake is bought from the breeder at a fair market value. There is no reserve. The marketing campaign is significantly more than has ever been done in this industry before which will bring more people into the community shopping and buying all through the community. Someone will win the snake and others will see this and spark or re spark their interest, or they may just already be a community member that wants to have some fun expanding their collection. All of these factors increase sales and momentum within the industry as a whole and it begins with a fair market sale of another snake. It appears that most all of the “Haters” have been identified as being a small breeder, re seller, flipper (or having very close ties to one) and they just think that Ballbids.com will take money out of their pocket when in fact Ballbids was designed to help put money in their pocket; providing they are a quality breeder. Maybe you fall in to one of those categories. You certainly write like you have a dog in the fight when the only perceived fight deals with misconstrued notions of some. The condescending attitude you have displayed more than once towards Ballbids is evident and I will not continue to entertain you. If you can not understand the concept that Ballbids does not determine or decrease market values, and that it does increase sales and interest in the community, then you are no different that the few others that post here. Ballbids does not need your approval.

 

[Snake-Queen]

There are no questions relating to your standing against Ballbids. You have proven it quite intently in you writings. It is unfortunate that you are the alleged Monitor here, you should relinquish your position as such while you continue with your personal agenda.

It's quite obvious you do not know who Rich is.

Also, moderators are entitled to their personal opinions, ergo the text was not in blue.

 

[lonewolfrider]

It's quite obvious you do not know who Rich is.

Also, moderators are entitled to their personal opinions, ergo the text was not in blue.

Apparently I did not know that. But still it does not change my response. Just my for understanding on how the forum is governed.

 

[Shaun33]

Please tell us how this forum is govern. No comments have been deleted.

Apparently I did not know that. But still it does not change my response. Just my for understanding on how the forum is governed.

 

[Gary O]

I will not have a person saying Rich edits or deletes posts. I Highly respect Rich for not doing this. He has threads here against him. One I started and he was civil and every post is there.

Rich IMO is a guy that lets it all out and lets everyone decide on their own. I have never in my time here have seen Rich or a mod edit or delete a post in the BOI... BOTTOM LINE! If there is one thing Rich is that is HONEST and FAIR... I have been on both sides too.

Sorry Rich if this it out of line in this thread... I will take points proudly.

 

[Shaun33]

Mark motive on that statement is that people are not supporting Ballbids so posts from supporters must be deleted. NOt that there wasn't any post by supporters.

I will not have a person saying Rich edits or deletes posts. I Highly respect Rich for not doing this. He has threads here against him. One I started and he was civil and every post is there.

Rich IMO is a guy that lets it all out and lets everyone decide on their own. I have never in my time here have seen Rich or a mod edit or delete a post in the BOI... BOTTOM LINE! If there is one thing Rich is that is HONEST and FAIR... I have been on both sides too.

Sorry Rich if this it out of line in this thread... I will take points proudly.

 

[WebSlave]

Apparently I did not know that. But still it does not change my response. Just my for understanding on how the forum is governed.

So correct me if I am wrong, but from your writings it appears to me that in your opinion anyone who doesn't follow your lead as a BallBids promoter and advocate, and blindly embrace the company lines, is a "hater", "antagonist", "playing games", "non-adult", "combative", "elite minded nasty" person, "jealous", "nosy", "condescending", "strange cookies", "liars", "too weird of person", "threatening", "true scum", and "must hate so bad you just cant see straight" sort of person. Sorry, I know this isn't a comprehensive list of all the disparaging remarks you have thrown at people disagreeing with you and/or asking for FACTS relating to the statements you are making here. But I think it will suffice for you to catch my drift.

So tell me, where is that adult conversation you wanted to have? Perhaps if you stopped throwing these disparaging and inflammatory remarks at people asking you questions about your statements, maybe this could actually become an adult conversation, instead of your obvious dodgings from providing actual answers. Throwing out such belittling remarks as retreating cover does not help support BallBids' cause, in case you haven't figure that out yet.

I don't have anything against the CONCEPT of BallBids at all. The problem I have is with statements being made in support of that concept, and BallBids implementation of that concept, that seem to be lacking in actual FACTS. Especially from someone who will not even admit what their actual stake is in that company, nor the basis for the propaganda (in my opinion) that you are trying to get us to believe is some obvious and unquestionable truth that we must blindly accept SOLELY because you say it is so. Then when you are pressed for details and supporting evidence, you go all squiggly on us trying to squirm out from underneath that spotlight that you yourself called in upon your statements by posting them.

In my opinion, from what I have observed here, BallBids is not being well served by the advocates on record posting within this thread in it's behalf. And this is SOLELY because apparently a lot of people feel that TRUTH and FACTS are lacking in those people who are acting as advocates for that business. So really, whose fault is that? The people here for not being gullible enough to follow unquestioning, or the advocates for choosing to dance around these requests for the truth and actual facts when those people have some doubts about the statements being made?

Let's face it, penny auctions can evidently earn a lot of money for the people running such a business, but it can also be a BIG money loser if they don't have enough of a participant base to run up the bidding to where they can make a profit. Startup, in my opinion, could be a money losing proposition for quite a long time, and unless that business has substantial startup capital to get it over that hump, they could have problems surviving. One way out of such a dilemma would appear to try to paint a make believe picture composed of made up "winners" of such auctions so that the incredible bargains they have been able to procure in this manner could be trumpeted as advertising to try to pull other people in to become paying bidders and hopefully put the company into a profitably position. Whether BallBids has engaged in this sort of deception is not anything that I have made any attempts to investigate. And personally I honestly don't really care one way or another, as I will NEVER be interested in buying a ball python, and certainly the success or failure of BallBids will not impact me in the slightest. I will NEVER use BallBids in any way simply because I have no need nor desire to. I'm retired. I don't have any more animals, and really don't intend to in the future.

But as the Admin of this site, you ARE using my site in your endeavors to promote BallBids, and so yes, your statements made while posting here IS my business to look into as I please. You are using MY site and MY services, for FREE, in what you are doing here. And I am extremely sorry that I do not take your statements at face value, as you apparently hope all will do, so I am asking you questions about the statements you are making HERE, which I certainly have every right to do. Once you post here, you are on MY turf.

Be that as it may, Mr. Byers, if you are not interested in providing answers to the questions people post concerning the statements you are publicly making, and purposely choose to try to obscure whatever factual and real association you have with BallBids, then it's easy to come to the conclusion that you are here merely as a cheerleader and propagandist hoping that your smoke and mirror posts will suck in enough viewers to help BallBids reach critical mass. Since there are no rules against that, it's not something I have any reason to put a stop to. But if you continue to belittle me, and others asking pointed question of you, well yes, I CAN put a stop to that. That IS against the rules, which I CAN and WILL enforce. So I strongly suggest that you endeavor to BE the adult conversation you have claimed many times that you want here.

IMHO, of course...

 

[Lucille]

Even mentioning my name in any thread is in violation of the documents sent to you by Ballbids.com Attorney.

TEL: (314) 770-9890
Mr. Shaun Sumner 317 Fairbanks Pl Munster, IN 46321
RE: Ballbids, LLC Attention Mr. Sumner:
TIMOTHY P. POWDERLY ATTORNEY AND COUNSELOR AT LAW
11965 ST. CHARLES ROCK ROAD, SUITE 202 SAINT LOUIS, MISSOURI 63044
[email protected]
June 14, 2012
FAX: (314) 739-1355
This law firm represents Ballbids, LLC. If you are represented by legal counsel, please direct this letter to your attorney immediately and have your attorney notify us of such representation.
This letter is your formal notice to cease and desist all contact with Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, and any persons or companies employed or associated with Ballbids, LLC. This includes any suppliers and past or present customers of Ballbids, LLC. This letter is also your formal notice to cease and desist all fraudulent and defamatory published remarks, comments, and postings regarding Ballbids, LLC, including any comments on the Facebook Page “Say NO to Ballbids”. This includes any continued reference to Ballbids, LLC illegally operating a business. This claim is not only entirely inaccurate, but also libelous under the law.
Any continued fraudulent or defamatory comments will be met with swift judicial action. If you continue to defame Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, or Ballbid, LLC, a lawsuit
will be filed against you for your tortuous conduct. This lawsuit will include claims for interference with contractual relations, interference with prospective business
advantage, trade libel, and fraud.
If you do not comply, Ballbids, LLC will pursue all available legal remedies,
including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that you pay court
costs and attorney’s fees. Your liability and exposure under such legal action could be considerable.
Sincerely,
Timothy P. Powderly, Esq.
*****************************************

I'm thinking that the current spate of nonsense is to help bury mention of their attorney. I can only imagine how he feels about his clients since I sent him the link to this thread.
Since Ballbids opened the door by mentioning their attorney and the letter, I think I'll bring it up to the top every once in a while, certainly it is relevant because while the Ballbids pack loves to threaten legal action, clearly Mark's statement here was a lie, and so perhaps he is lying every time he pulls the 'I'm gonna sic my lawyer on you' bit.

Poor Timothy. I can only imagine
__________________
Dans les champs de l'observation le hasard ne favorise que l' esprits prepares. Louis Pasteur

 

[Lucille]

As for my stake in the company, I have told you that I am not the owner. Other than that it is none of your business nor does it matter.

May I point out that poor Timothy included you in those associated with the company in the above letter. If you are running around threatening people with something your attorney did not even say, it makes you seem even less professional, and no one will take anything you say seriously.
I wouldn't take anything you say as truthful after you lied about what was in the C&D letter, and won't take anything seriously that your company has to say, or any threats you claim to be making, unless they come right from the desk of poor Timothy. Even then, your behavior here has in my opinion made such threats unenforceable, since your poor behavior has far exceeded the behaviors you sought to control.

You've done a lot of damage to your company, Mark.

 

[ronritzer]

So, please explain to me how BallBids offering to be a provider of ball pythons (and I presume other merchandise) at a proclaimed 5 percent of actual retail value does not impact all of the other sellers of such products. Did not the person who won the last auction there who was interested in buying an albino ball python now have his or her incentive greatly reduced (or removed completely) from considering buying such an animal from an actual competing breeder? BallBids IS competing with other sellers, now isn't it? So please explain to me how BallBids advertising that buyers can get those same animals and merchandise from them at 95% off of their competitors prices is not going to hurt the business of those competing breeders. Didn't they just LOSE a potential sale? Yes, I do realize that whatever breeder sold that animal to BallBids does get paid their price, but that is not the point. The point is that BallBids appears to be competing against every breeder and seller of that same product yet offering the same merchandise at FAR LESS than market value. So tell me, how can that NOT eventually cause prices to drop across the board?

The fact is that the breeder does sell their snake to ballbids for full price, as you mentioned.
Its unlikely to affect prices across the board because its entirely different market.
Realize that the person that got their snake for 5% of retail price probably paid alot more in actual bids that they may have used on previous auctions and lost, or they have purchased bids left over after winning the snake. So they probably ended up paying a bit more than that 5%. Not to mention all the people that paid and lost.
Its an auction market...its quite a bit different from the retail markket entirely. not to mention they actually auction very few snakes.

The only way I can see that it would not hurt at least some breeders is if every one of them used BallBids SOLELY as their selling agent for their animals. Is that the goal of this business model? Seems to me that it would HAVE to be. Otherwise BallBids HAS to be competing against everyone who is NOT selling through them, drastically undercutting their competition's prices.

They have actually stated more than a few times that they auction snakes that the breeder isn't moving as fast as they would like, that's their niche. SO no, obviously having a breeder sell all of his snakes through their auction site is not their goal.
And they aren't undercutting anyone, despite the fact that someone wins the snake for a low price, the snake still retains the same value. The breeder in question still sells his snake to ballbids for its retail price. Due to teh fact that its a penny auction site, ballbids can purchase the snake for its market value, auction it off at a low price and due to their being several bidders still themselves make a considerable profit. The value of the snake remains the same despite what it is "won" for on the auction site.

I think that all seems rather obvious

 

[KORBIN5895]

TEL: (314) 770-9890
Mr. Shaun Sumner 317 Fairbanks Pl Munster, IN 46321
RE: Ballbids, LLC Attention Mr. Sumner:
TIMOTHY P. POWDERLY ATTORNEY AND COUNSELOR AT LAW
11965 ST. CHARLES ROCK ROAD, SUITE 202 SAINT LOUIS, MISSOURI 63044
[email protected]
June 14, 2012
FAX: (314) 739-1355
This law firm represents Ballbids, LLC. If you are represented by legal counsel, please direct this letter to your attorney immediately and have your attorney notify us of such representation.
This letter is your formal notice to cease and desist all contact with Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, and any persons or companies employed or associated with Ballbids, LLC. This includes any suppliers and past or present customers of Ballbids, LLC. This letter is also your formal notice to cease and desist all fraudulent and defamatory published remarks, comments, and postings regarding Ballbids, LLC, including any comments on the Facebook Page “Say NO to Ballbids”. This includes any continued reference to Ballbids, LLC illegally operating a business. This claim is not only entirely inaccurate, but also libelous under the law.
Any continued fraudulent or defamatory comments will be met with swift judicial action. If you continue to defame Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, or Ballbid, LLC, a lawsuit
will be filed against you for your tortuous conduct. This lawsuit will include claims for interference with contractual relations, interference with prospective business
advantage, trade libel, and fraud.
If you do not comply, Ballbids, LLC will pursue all available legal remedies,
including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that you pay court
costs and attorney’s fees. Your liability and exposure under such legal action could be considerable.
Sincerely,
Timothy P. Powderly, Esq.
*****************************************

I'm thinking that the current spate of nonsense is to help bury mention of their attorney. I can only imagine how he feels about his clients since I sent him the link to this thread.
Since Ballbids opened the door by mentioning their attorney and the letter, I think I'll bring it up to the top every once in a while, certainly it is relevant because while the Ballbids pack loves to threaten legal action, clearly Mark's statement here was a lie, and so perhaps he is lying every time he pulls the 'I'm gonna sic my lawyer on you' bit.

Poor Timothy. I can only imagine
__________________
Dans les champs de l'observation le hasard ne favorise que l' esprits prepares. Louis Pasteur

I personally find it odd that ballbs's lawyer would bother mentioning Mark. I mean he has no stack in this right????? Oh wait! Could it be that Mark lied again?

 

[lonewolfrider]

So correct me if I am wrong, but from your writings it appears to me that in your opinion anyone who doesn't follow your lead as a BallBids promoter and advocate, and blindly embrace the company lines, is a "hater", "antagonist", "playing games", "non-adult", "combative", "elite minded nasty" person, "jealous", "nosy", "condescending", "strange cookies", "liars", "too weird of person", "threatening", "true scum", and "must hate so bad you just cant see straight" sort of person. Sorry, I know this isn't a comprehensive list of all the disparaging remarks you have thrown at people disagreeing with you and/or asking for FACTS relating to the statements you are making here. But I think it will suffice for you to catch my drift.

So tell me, where is that adult conversation you wanted to have? Perhaps if you stopped throwing these disparaging and inflammatory remarks at people asking you questions about your statements, maybe this could actually become an adult conversation, instead of your obvious dodgings from providing actual answers. Throwing out such belittling remarks as retreating cover does not help support BallBids' cause, in case you haven't figure that out yet.

I don't have anything against the CONCEPT of BallBids at all. The problem I have is with statements being made in support of that concept, and BallBids implementation of that concept, that seem to be lacking in actual FACTS. Especially from someone who will not even admit what their actual stake is in that company, nor the basis for the propaganda (in my opinion) that you are trying to get us to believe is some obvious and unquestionable truth that we must blindly accept SOLELY because you say it is so. Then when you are pressed for details and supporting evidence, you go all squiggly on us trying to squirm out from underneath that spotlight that you yourself called in upon your statements by posting them.

In my opinion, from what I have observed here, BallBids is not being well served by the advocates on record posting within this thread in it's behalf. And this is SOLELY because apparently a lot of people feel that TRUTH and FACTS are lacking in those people who are acting as advocates for that business. So really, whose fault is that? The people here for not being gullible enough to follow unquestioning, or the advocates for choosing to dance around these requests for the truth and actual facts when those people have some doubts about the statements being made?

Let's face it, penny auctions can evidently earn a lot of money for the people running such a business, but it can also be a BIG money loser if they don't have enough of a participant base to run up the bidding to where they can make a profit. Startup, in my opinion, could be a money losing proposition for quite a long time, and unless that business has substantial startup capital to get it over that hump, they could have problems surviving. One way out of such a dilemma would appear to try to paint a make believe picture composed of made up "winners" of such auctions so that the incredible bargains they have been able to procure in this manner could be trumpeted as advertising to try to pull other people in to become paying bidders and hopefully put the company into a profitably position. Whether BallBids has engaged in this sort of deception is not anything that I have made any attempts to investigate. And personally I honestly don't really care one way or another, as I will NEVER be interested in buying a ball python, and certainly the success or failure of BallBids will not impact me in the slightest. I will NEVER use BallBids in any way simply because I have no need nor desire to. I'm retired. I don't have any more animals, and really don't intend to in the future.

But as the Admin of this site, you ARE using my site in your endeavors to promote BallBids, and so yes, your statements made while posting here IS my business to look into as I please. You are using MY site and MY services, for FREE, in what you are doing here. And I am extremely sorry that I do not take your statements at face value, as you apparently hope all will do, so I am asking you questions about the statements you are making HERE, which I certainly have every right to do. Once you post here, you are on MY turf.

Be that as it may, Mr. Byers, if you are not interested in providing answers to the questions people post concerning the statements you are publicly making, and purposely choose to try to obscure whatever factual and real association you have with BallBids, then it's easy to come to the conclusion that you are here merely as a cheerleader and propagandist hoping that your smoke and mirror posts will suck in enough viewers to help BallBids reach critical mass. Since there are no rules against that, it's not something I have any reason to put a stop to. But if you continue to belittle me, and others asking pointed question of you, well yes, I CAN put a stop to that. That IS against the rules, which I CAN and WILL enforce. So I strongly suggest that you endeavor to BE the adult conversation you have claimed many times that you want here.

IMHO, of course...

You own it so you rule it. I understand and respect that.
The irony is that pretty much every question that has been asked has been answered to my knowledge. Each answer given is responded to with statements of either disbelief or outright accusatory remarks. I don't think anyone has ever expected one single person to blindly accept or follow Ballbids. Nor do I believe that Ballbids has ever called a person that did not agree with their business model a “Hater”. I believe that the Haters are well known and that much of the blatant hatred and subsequent accusatory writings here have been intentional fabrications which would not be fair to any company. Anyone following this thread at all can see this. Anyone that would have a positive remark about Ballbids is responded to negatively. Any disparaging or inflammatory comments that I may have made here would be excessively minimal to what has been said by other members against Ballbids, or against me.
Ballbids has had a total of 26 winners with 28 Morph’s (2 breeder packs) 23 deliveries have been finalized and 3 are pending, all without one delivery problem or one complaint on quality. The truth is there if one would care to to look at it. But this thread will say even that it is not true. I can’t imagine how you would actually ask for, or even think that you have the right to Ballbids customer information. And because Ballbids will not supply this you claim suspicion. Facebook has some of Ballbids customers remarking about their winnings on the page. Others have sent in unpacking videos to Youtube. Some have commented on other facebook pages and some on other reptile pages about their winnings. Now these are the facts for anyone in your domain to follow up with should they care to stop slinging around the bile and want to get down to the real truth.

 

[Shaun33]

Please share where anybody asked for customer information? You said supporters who have posted were responded to negatively. Please link us where supporters posted and were responded negatively? You say a lot of stuff but not one thing to back up what you say. From the beginning, you guys think that you are above everybody else and we have to believe every single word that comes out your mouth. You have spouted out that we have attacked your site but yet proved that we did, that we have emailed suppliers and customers harassing them. Please post the proof that you claim to have.

You own it so you rule it. I understand and respect that.
The irony is that pretty much every question that has been asked has been answered to my knowledge. Each answer given is responded to with statements of either disbelief or outright accusatory remarks. I don't think anyone has ever expected one single person to blindly accept or follow Ballbids. Nor do I believe that Ballbids has ever called a person that did not agree with their business model a “Hater”. I believe that the Haters are well known and that much of the blatant hatred and subsequent accusatory writings here have been intentional fabrications which would not be fair to any company. Anyone following this thread at all can see this. Anyone that would have a positive remark about Ballbids is responded to negatively. Any disparaging or inflammatory comments that I may have made here would be excessively minimal to what has been said by other members against Ballbids, or against me.
Ballbids has had a total of 26 winners with 28 Morph’s (2 breeder packs) 23 deliveries have been finalized and 3 are pending, all without one delivery problem or one complaint on quality. The truth is there if one would care to to look at it. But this thread will say even that it is not true. I can’t imagine how you would actually ask for, or even think that you have the right to Ballbids customer information. And because Ballbids will not supply this you claim suspicion. Facebook has some of Ballbids customers remarking about their winnings on the page. Others have sent in unpacking videos to Youtube. Some have commented on other facebook pages and some on other reptile pages about their winnings. Now these are the facts for anyone in your domain to follow up with should they care to stop slinging around the bile and want to get down to the real truth.

 

[WebSlave]

TEL: (314) 770-9890
Mr. Shaun Sumner 317 Fairbanks Pl Munster, IN 46321
RE: Ballbids, LLC Attention Mr. Sumner:
TIMOTHY P. POWDERLY ATTORNEY AND COUNSELOR AT LAW
11965 ST. CHARLES ROCK ROAD, SUITE 202 SAINT LOUIS, MISSOURI 63044
[email protected]
June 14, 2012
FAX: (314) 739-1355
This law firm represents Ballbids, LLC. If you are represented by legal counsel, please direct this letter to your attorney immediately and have your attorney notify us of such representation.
This letter is your formal notice to cease and desist all contact with Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, and any persons or companies employed or associated with Ballbids, LLC. This includes any suppliers and past or present customers of Ballbids, LLC. This letter is also your formal notice to cease and desist all fraudulent and defamatory published remarks, comments, and postings regarding Ballbids, LLC, including any comments on the Facebook Page “Say NO to Ballbids”. This includes any continued reference to Ballbids, LLC illegally operating a business. This claim is not only entirely inaccurate, but also libelous under the law.
Any continued fraudulent or defamatory comments will be met with swift judicial action. If you continue to defame Zachary Byers, Mark Byers, or Ballbid, LLC, a lawsuit
will be filed against you for your tortuous conduct. This lawsuit will include claims for interference with contractual relations, interference with prospective business
advantage, trade libel, and fraud.
If you do not comply, Ballbids, LLC will pursue all available legal remedies,
including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that you pay court
costs and attorney’s fees. Your liability and exposure under such legal action could be considerable.
Sincerely,
Timothy P. Powderly, Esq.
*****************************************

OK, I have to admit I'm pretty confused by this "cease and desist" letter.

First off, this attorney is located in St. Louis, Missouri.

Located in St. Louis, Missouri, The Powderly Law Firm, LLC provides legal services to individuals and businesses throughout the greater St. Louis metropolitan area.

Where are the people who are being represented actually located? Where is the business "BallBids" a registered business entity? Where is the target of the letter itself located? Anyone of them located in St. Louis? Does anyone know the legal term "jurisdiction"? As best I can tell, this attorney is not within the jurisdictions of neither the plaintiffs nor the defendant mentioned.

Tim is admitted to practice in Missouri, as well as the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.

They are dancing around the tough questions. In the above email, it shows that Kentucky told them to close down and refund money. Their new company is registered as an LLC in Florida. So, I guess now they can claim that they aren't violating any Kentucky laws.

As best I have been able to gather from what I can find, Zachary Byers lives in Kentucky, Mark Byers lives in Florida, and BallBids LLC is registered in Florida. Shaun Sumner lives in Indiana.

Furthermore, it appears that this attorney specializes in bankruptcy proceedings.

The Powderly Law Firm specializes in St. Louis bankruptcy matters.

Here is a link to this law firm's web page, if anyone is interested -> http://www.powderlylaw.com/

Also, this attorney's letter PLAINLY states that he is acting as a representative of BallBids, LLC. Then SPECIFICALLY mentions by name, Zachary Byers and Mark Byers. Yet hasn't Mark Byers, stated many times that he is not an owner of BallBids? And furthermore has completely ignored all requests for his official relationship with said company, seemingly implying that there is NO official association?

So excuse me if I am completely baffled by this. Here we have an attorney representing clients who do not live nor work within his practice's jurisdiction, sending a letter to a person who also is not within his practice's jurisdiction, and including in that letter a person in the company (BallBids, LLC) he is representing who denies here any official association within that represented company as being inclusive of the attorney's representation.

Why would this attorney have taken these clients in the first place? Even if it would go to court, he cannot practice in any jurisdiction likely the case would be held within.

Can someone please explain this to me? Obviously I MUST be missing something....

IMHO, of course, and based on information from sources that may or may not be accurate.

 

[Shaun33]

Ballbids back in April register a LLC out of Missouri, Powderly is their register agent for that LLC.

OK, I have to admit I'm pretty confused by this "cease and desist" letter.

First off, this attorney is located in St. Louis, Missouri.


Where are the people who are being represented actually located? Where is the business "BallBids" a registered business entity? Where is the target of the letter itself located? Anyone of them located in St. Louis? Does anyone know the legal term "jurisdiction"? As best I can tell, this attorney is not within the jurisdictions of neither the plaintiffs nor the defendant mentioned.





As best I have been able to gather from what I can find, Zachary Byers lives in Kentucky, Mark Byers lives in Florida, and BallBids LLC is registered in Florida. Shaun Sumner lives in Indiana.

Furthermore, it appears that this attorney specializes in bankruptcy proceedings.



Here is a link to this law firm's web page, if anyone is interested -> http://www.powderlylaw.com/

Also, this attorney's letter PLAINLY states that he is acting as a representative of BallBids, LLC. Then SPECIFICALLY mentions by name, Zachary Byers and Mark Byers. Yet hasn't Mark Byers, stated many times that he is not an owner of BallBids? And furthermore has completely ignored all requests for his official relationship with said company, seemingly implying that there is NO official association?

So excuse me if I am completely baffled by this. Here we have an attorney representing clients who do not live nor work within his practice's jurisdiction, sending a letter to a person who also is not within his practice's jurisdiction, and including in that letter a person in the company (BallBids, LLC) he is representing who denies here any official association within that represented company as being inclusive of the attorney's representation.

Why would this attorney have taken these clients in the first place? Even if it would go to court, he cannot practice in any jurisdiction likely the case would be held within.

Can someone please explain this to me? Obviously I MUST be missing something....

IMHO, of course, and based on information from sources that may or may not be accurate.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Very good points Rich!

 

[WebSlave]

Ballbids back in April register a LLC out of Missouri, Powderly is their register agent for that LLC.

Ah! Thank you for clearing that up for me...

But the question still remains as to why Mark Byers is being represented, as he claims, by this attorney. Is he listed as a member of the BallBids LLC?

Maybe Mr. Byers can field this question for me.

 

[Shaun33]

Here is the link to Missouri record of Ballbids LLC. Mark is not listed on here as a member. https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3310668

Ah! Thank you for clearing that up for me...

But the question still remains as to why Mark Byers is being represented, as he claims, by this attorney. Is he listed as a member of the BallBids LLC?

Maybe Mr. Byers can field this question for me.

 

[Shaun33]

And their Florida LLC is still active so they are running under 2 active LLCs. http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.ex...=&names_comp_name=BALLBIDS&names_filing_type=