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[joepythons]

The point is people, If you didn't like ballbids that is fine. If you think I did business illegally than you are wrong. What is the point here of linking this thread to my classified adds? So people know that i am the owner of ballbids and some people didnt like ballbids?

I am asking for some mutual respect. To do this type of stuff is to go a step further against me. Is this really about ballbids or is it about me?

We dont owe you jack! YOU EARN RESPECT IN THIS HOBBY! I personally tried to help you but you continued with the name calling. Why should we allow you to come on our forums and sell your snakes? Why dont you go penny auction them off? Oh thats right it FAILED! When i even tried talking to your Dad he comes back at me with threats of coming to my house and getting me straightened out. I am not the only one he has tried this attempt to get us to allow you to rip off our fellow members. SORRY its not going to happen . I could careless what you do on your kiddy penny auction site but this is our forum and we protect our family members.

 

[Lucille]

I sense another playing of 'The Ballbids Ploy' where one or the other of the Ballbids crew comes on here and engages posters in a long, petty, back and forth that buries the facts others have found here.
It is a deliberate way to remove attention from their past. Ain't gonna happen.

New name, old name, I would not do business with any of them. Zack here in the same breath appears to be trying to establish a new beginning, while at the same time calling out members of our community by name. If he truly wanted a new beginning he would not call anyone out.

I'm not much for zombie movies, you know, rotten corpses rising from the grave and all, but I forecast this thread is fixing to be a zombie movie.
My advice? Buy popcorn, but don't buy their snakes.

 

[ZBBP]

Actually Kimberly I believe Joe Haggard is the only person here that i really disrespected and that was years ago before any of this. I had no clue the way that forums worked and I got very defensive over a certain mutation (now proven). I certainly wish I could have changed my attitude back then. To you Kimberly, you attacked me out of the gate with allegations and spread rumors like mad. I think the only way you would get a fraction of my respect would be to apologize to me. I only said what I said about you after this fact in which I explained that I thought it was you that had signed up for an account but I was wrong.

If you want to hold that against me for the rest of your lives it seems that you like the drama. I did not do anything wrong with ballbids or any practice of business for that matter. Just because you didn't like what I did does not give you the go ahead to start lies IMO.

 

[wyldwurm]

To you Kimberly, you attacked me out of the gate with allegations and spread rumors like mad. I think the only way you would get a fraction of my respect would be to apologize to me.

Absolutely incorrect. YOU banned me from your page when I asked a question. A simple question. WAY before I came here and WAY before I knew there was anyone who was against your scam. So save the "poor me" bull, it don't fly here.
If you think for one second I would apologize for standing up for the people in this community, you are sorely mistaken. I will do my best to be sure people are aware of your bad business ethics as well as your inability to deal with people on an honest level.

 

[gonzoone]

Zach, I too was personally attacked by someone using your company's email so for a long time I assumed it was you. I have since been told it was an associate of yours using YOUR company's persona. This same individual as well as your father have both made repeated attacks toward me while representing YOUR company. The fact that you allowed these attacks to continue by individuals representing your company implies that you condoned such actions.
Now you ask for respect from us? It's a little too late to try and get back in the good graces of most of us. And the fact that you've stuck a fancy name on a dinker on the first clutch does absolutely nothing to lend credibility to your breeding efforts.
If you manage to make it as a breeder, good for you. But you are wasting your time begging for respect from those of us you have shown none for. You chose to associate with liars like Marty and made no effort to stop your father from making his outrageous attacks against all of us (My name has been slandered on internet scam sites even though I've never sold anything online). I realize the others are not you but you were the owner of the company and allowed the things they were doing so therefore I hold you just as liable as them.

 

[wyldwurm]

To you Kimberly, you attacked me out of the gate with allegations and spread rumors like mad.

I have also NEVER stated anything I could not back up (and did) with proof. Not a rumor when it is true. Even Marty said I told the truth, yet, his site STILL states I lied.
Earn your respect, but you are so deep, you will never dig yourself out.

 

[ZBBP]

Absolutely incorrect. YOU banned me from your page when I asked a question. A simple question. WAY before I came here and WAY before I knew there was anyone who was against your scam. So save the "poor me" bull, it don't fly here.
If you think for one second I would apologize for standing up for the people in this community, you are sorely mistaken. I will do my best to be sure people are aware of your bad business ethics as well as your inability to deal with people on an honest level.

Kimberly you can go about doing the same thing you always have. I wouldn't go so far as to say you have bad business practices but I would say that the way you have lied to try and convince people of my business being bad, it kind of makes me wonder. I would feel terribly unfortunate for the people that do business with you and your posy. At least I had proven to be ethical. BallBids has more work being done on it and more money going into it because I will not allow for my site to work "MOST" of the time. It is either perfect or not at all. Sorry for having to self appoint the title but that is pure "Good Business Practice". You have read the letters very wrong. Either that or you just tried to twist the words. My guess is...

 

[joepythons]

Actually Kimberly I believe Joe Haggard is the only person here that i really disrespected and that was years ago before any of this. I had no clue the way that forums worked and I got very defensive over a certain mutation (now proven). I certainly wish I could have changed my attitude back then. To you Kimberly, you attacked me out of the gate with allegations and spread rumors like mad. I think the only way you would get a fraction of my respect would be to apologize to me. I only said what I said about you after this fact in which I explained that I thought it was you that had signed up for an account but I was wrong.

If you want to hold that against me for the rest of your lives it seems that you like the drama. I did not do anything wrong with ballbids or any practice of business for that matter. Just because you didn't like what I did does not give you the go ahead to start lies IMO.

Your morph is proving? Yea it might be proving but NOT by you. So what happened FUEGO? You are just changing the name on someones fire line and its not going to fly

 

[wyldwurm]

More babble to bury the truth.
Its pretty evident you are talking in circles to save face. You are done before you start. I will most certainly warn people about BB if it ever gets back online...but, something tells me I won't have to worry about that.

 

[ZBBP]

Mike Reed
Marty and my Dad were not representing BallBids. My dad is not on my payrol and Marty is a contracted programmer. Even after I apologized to you for Marty's attitude towards you you still attacked my business which is why Marty acted like that to you in the first place. You didnt want to listen to what was being said. I suspect you few people will never like me and I understand that.
Just stay away from me is all I am asking. I am pretty sure that me not taking your attitudes and kissing butt in the forums have nothing to do with how I handle my business. Maybe you should stop being so soft and realize that I have never wronged any one physically. Just keep your distance is all I am asking.

 

[wyldwurm]

Maybe you should stop being so soft and realize that I have never wronged any one physically. Just keep your distance is all I am asking.

This line cracked me up. I wonder if he even comprehends how absolutely ridiculous he sounds. I suspect not, since he is still grasping...


I would wager to bet, NO ONE will be keeping their distance if this liar decides to continue to scam people.

 

[gonzoone]

They WERE representing your business. Your father's second Facebook account clearly identifies him as a representative of your company. Every time they posted they were acting as representatives of you and your business. Denying it now does not change the facts. Your apology to me was half-hearted and about six months too late. As long as you allowed the attacks to continue you are just as culpable as they are. The fact that I was disrespected in an email from YOUR company account is what really got me involved as deeply as I am.
I have witnessed your business experience the same errors over and over with a different excuse given every time by SOMEBODY representing your company. So how can Marty be a representative one minute and not the next?
You've come here claiming to be trying to rebuild your reputation but continue to spread the same half-truths that BallBids was famous for. It is just like I have repeatedly told the "not" representatives of your company, just cause you say it's so doesn't make it so.

 

[ZBBP]

This line cracked me up. I wonder if he even comprehends how absolutely ridiculous he sounds. I suspect not, since he is still grasping...


I would wager to bet, NO ONE will be keeping their distance if this liar decides to continue to scam people.

Might I remind you Kimberly of your Cease and Desist that your group was issued. Further lies and slander will lead to a breach in this contract. The word scam is a word used to describe a false business practice. This is not the case and you know so. Proof has been issued on my end. None from yours. Ridiculous is you having no clue of your actions or there consequences. Now you all have been very quite for a while. At least after all the bull was proven false and it was discovered that I never wronged any of my customers. You were never a customer. You had no say. I would never help you with anything not because you were never a customer but because you don't deserve my respect. I still give you some respect but if you won't give me any than I will take it back. I know the biggest names in this industry on a first name bases and yet you think you have a say. I asked for respect. It is your choice.

 

[Lucille]

There's some choice and informative posts on Cease and Desist in this thread, just do a search.
Here's one:

OK, I have to admit I'm pretty confused by this "cease and desist" letter.

First off, this attorney is located in St. Louis, Missouri.


Where are the people who are being represented actually located? Where is the business "BallBids" a registered business entity? Where is the target of the letter itself located? Anyone of them located in St. Louis? Does anyone know the legal term "jurisdiction"? As best I can tell, this attorney is not within the jurisdictions of neither the plaintiffs nor the defendant mentioned.





As best I have been able to gather from what I can find, Zachary Byers lives in Kentucky, Mark Byers lives in Florida, and BallBids LLC is registered in Florida. Shaun Sumner lives in Indiana.

Furthermore, it appears that this attorney specializes in bankruptcy proceedings.



Here is a link to this law firm's web page, if anyone is interested -> http://www.powderlylaw.com/

Also, this attorney's letter PLAINLY states that he is acting as a representative of BallBids, LLC. Then SPECIFICALLY mentions by name, Zachary Byers and Mark Byers. Yet hasn't Mark Byers, stated many times that he is not an owner of BallBids? And furthermore has completely ignored all requests for his official relationship with said company, seemingly implying that there is NO official association?

So excuse me if I am completely baffled by this. Here we have an attorney representing clients who do not live nor work within his practice's jurisdiction, sending a letter to a person who also is not within his practice's jurisdiction, and including in that letter a person in the company (BallBids, LLC) he is representing who denies here any official association within that represented company as being inclusive of the attorney's representation.

Why would this attorney have taken these clients in the first place? Even if it would go to court, he cannot practice in any jurisdiction likely the case would be held within.

Can someone please explain this to me? Obviously I MUST be missing something....

IMHO, of course, and based on information from sources that may or may not be accurate.

 

[wyldwurm]

Might I remind you Kimberly of your Cease and Desist that your group was issued. Further lies and slander will lead to a breach in this contract. The word scam is a word used to describe a false business practice. This is not the case and you know so. Proof has been issued on my end. None from yours. Ridiculous is you having no clue of your actions or there consequences. Now you all have been very quite for a while. At least after all the bull was proven false and it was discovered that I never wronged any of my customers. You were never a customer. You had no say. I would never help you with anything not because you were never a customer but because you don't deserve my respect. I still give you some respect but if you won't give me any than I will take it back. I know the biggest names in this industry on a first name bases and yet you think you have a say. I asked for respect. It is your choice.

I HAVE NO cease anything. You are a bold faced liar Zack and a scam artist. IF you have a cease and desist order against me, I would surely like to see it because I never received one. I GAVE YOU my address to send me one, yet, I never received anything. Why would that be?? Because I am doing NOTHING wrong.
YOU are a spoiled child who did not get his way and now you are kicking your feet and banging your fists in a raging fit.
The biggest names in this industry LAUGH at you, that is not knowing them. Your suppliers are not big names. Never heard of two of them.

I also never bought fro you because I'm not an idiot.

Try again...

 

[Lucille]

Might I remind you Kimberly of your Cease and Desist that your group was issued. Further lies and slander will lead to a breach in this contract.

You do not know what you are talking about. The Desist order that is in this thread )not Kimberly's) is highly questionable in many ways. Once again, just like the rest of your crew, you throw around vaguely sinister yet meaningless legal phrases in an effort to put the hush on people. It isn't going to work here.

 

[wyldwurm]

You do not know what you are talking about. The Desist order that is in this thread )not Kimberly's) is highly questionable in many ways. Once again, just like the rest of your crew, you throw around vaguely sinister yet meaningless legal phrases in an effort to put the hush on people. It isn't going to work here.

And that was the ONLY one EVER issued. I do NOT have a cease and desist...never have....just another Zack Byers smokescreen. I believe he is trying to blanket me into the one issues because I belong to a facebook group. Pretty humorous.

 

[joepythons]

Might I remind you Kimberly of your Cease and Desist that your group was issued. Further lies and slander will lead to a breach in this contract. The word scam is a word used to describe a false business practice. This is not the case and you know so. Proof has been issued on my end. None from yours. Ridiculous is you having no clue of your actions or there consequences. Now you all have been very quite for a while. At least after all the bull was proven false and it was discovered that I never wronged any of my customers. You were never a customer. You had no say. I would never help you with anything not because you were never a customer but because you don't deserve my respect. I still give you some respect but if you won't give me any than I will take it back. I know the biggest names in this industry on a first name bases and yet you think you have a say. I asked for respect. It is your choice.

Slander ? My God Zach who is helping you write this jibberish? O boy who doesnt know all the big breeders by there first names . Would you please explain why your Dad was contacting people if he wasnt part of your site? I still think it was all coming from you because of the short temper issues.

 

[hhmoore]

Just for the record, Zack, people can listen (or read) without accepting/believing, no matter how much you may want them to do so.

 

[Shaun33]

First off Zack, Say No is my group not Kims. That cease and desist says I can't post lies. Everything I have posted can now be proved to be true in a court of law so if you think you have a lawsuit against me, go right ahead. Zack I have not spread rumors about you. I have posted about Ballbids. So if you want to spread more lies out there go right ahead. Also a Super Pastel is not a Fuego.