Bad Guy Beware! !!! Graveexotics/Alex graves /possibly Alex may

[jaybol7]

And if I do track him down, I may actually not be able to care for my animals from behind bars, which is precisely the reason I am reluctant to take a ride to see my friend. And it is who we say it is. You can trust me on that one. Another thing, I need not prove who I am or am retired from. I know what I've done for the past 21 years and there are many others who do also. So if there is any doubt I am who I say I am I can prove that in a matter of seconds. And unlike our buddy (the theif), all my info is available via Google. I have nothing to hide.

 

[jaybol7]

I would also like to thank Craig as he has also come in contact with the person in question who went and used a third name to contact him. Only thing he forgot, was to change his number. What a coincidence how 2 people with different names could have the same exact #, do the same things, and start closing down all their contact info as soon as they were exposed. Oh and I forgot, has anyone seen any posts from the theif in this forum defending himself as to the identity or identifying #s or pictures to not be his? Nope! So until that happens I'm going with the fact that we got him pegged and he's trying to cover his tracks now!

 

[LauraB]

As a 21-year veteran police officer, please spell thief correctly, k?

As a retired law enforcement officer (and I am not questioning your history or police background), I only question your method here, at this forum. You previously claimed ....

I'm really considering getting together with a couple of my guys from the fugitive enforcement division of the nypd and taking a little weekend trip to good old joplin Missouri!

I am personal friends with the chief of the NYPD. We use to play hockey together for a long time. He was in charge or the fugitive enforcement division and a few guys that were on the team are still in it. Trust me, if I really wanted this guy, he'd be found. I'm just not sure if it's worth it or not. Reason being if I do find the guy, first thing is I'm gonna want to beat him pretty badly, lol. So I'm not sure it's worth going to jail over.

As a 21-year police veteran, as you claim, I would hope you'd set a better example to the younger viewers, that is all. You want the guy, go get him, like you say you can, then charge him and expose him. THAT is how you help the herp community! Admitting you cannot control yourself?

Duh. I guess there's not enough police vs. community stress already in the past year.

And yeah ... Google is our friend, jaypol7. I hope that one particular site that came up wasn't you, jaypol7.

Yeah, I saw the email, "rudeboy0215". It still points to no one person that can be absolutely nailed. You, as a seasoned law enforcement veteran should know that.

PS ... Craig Wyatt, good job, for real.

I truly do hope your animals will be recovered, Jason. No one deserves to be ripped off, ever.

 

[jaybol7]

It's JAYBOL7 thank you. And let's see if and when you get screwed how you feel over it? But, whatever. I personally don't think anything said or done was done wrong. Oh, and thanks for the English lesson. However I'm on a cell phone and not using auto correct. I don't feel the need to keep with the back and forth nonsense. I just wanted to state a point. I would do it all over again the exact same way.

 

[Lucille]

It's JAYBOL7 thank you.

Oh, and thanks for the English lesson. However I'm on a cell phone and not using auto correct.

You are quick to correct those who misspell your name, and just as quick to hand out a snark if they correct you.

In my experience, everyone who arrives on Fauna does so with a blank slate. Due to the nature of the board, maybe a little more, actually, everyone is sympathetic to those who have gotten scammed.
But then people make their own reps. Courtesy, information, and a request for help are met with a vast community ready to help.

I need not prove who I am or am retired from.

So if there is any doubt I am who I say I am I can prove that in a matter of seconds.

Well, which is it?

And it is who we say it is. You can trust me on that one.

If you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt you can bring charges.
If you don't, why all this talk of a posse and jail?

Trust me, if I really wanted this guy, he'd be found. I'm just not sure if it's worth it or not. Reason being if I do find the guy, first thing is I'm gonna want to beat him pretty badly, lol. So I'm not sure it's worth going to jail over.

I'm really considering getting together with a couple of my guys from the fugitive enforcement division of the nypd and taking a little weekend trip to good old joplin Missouri!

Sometimes there is a midpoint. If you have convincing proof, (post it here) local law enforcement may be willing to visit and talk to the guy (that is not shorthand for posse, I mean really talk).

 

[Craig Wyatt]

Yeah, but this is the internet, requesting random amounts of people to call someones phone just seems like its not a best practice. I understand the purpose of the thread and this section of the forum but that combined with the writing about using physical violence against the person might come off as a bit much.

Who is suggesting violence?

 

[jaybol7]

It's just awfully strange how you are the only one that has any problem with anything that has been or is being said in this forum. I'm done with this convo with you here and forgive me if I don't respond to any further input from you. You are entitled to your opinion but when you start pointing out the little in perfections in my typing and backing me against a wall as to the methods I am using to try and get the person I suspect stole my animals to post something on this forum, then I wonder exactly what side of the fence you are on for real.

 

[jaybol7]

I'm not the kind that just backs down without a fight. Sorry!

 

[Craig Wyatt]

I don't understand how all of a sudden this thread is starting to go in the direction of attacking the OP. He is mad. Shoot I'm mad and he only attempted to scam me.
There has been a good point made. What if he's not Tyler Graves or whatever else his other names are. I do know one thing to be 100% that the phone number I posted is his. I had direct contact with him via text and so did the OP. So again I would like to encourage people to call him and if he doesn't answer text him. All I'm asking you to say is send back the animals. This is for Jeremiah. I am not saying to text him "I'm going to break your legs."
For you computer smart readers. Is there a way to look up a phone number and get his name somehow.

 

[jaybol7]

It's the hate for law enforcement craig! It's cool. I get it all the time. But then when something happens to them, we're the first to be called to go help them

 

[Lucille]

I don't understand how all of a sudden this thread is starting to go in the direction of attacking the OP.

No one is attacking the OP. People are, as usual, asking questions. That's the way of the BOI.

For instance, this one:
If you have proof down, why haven't charges been brought?

 

[Lucille]

I'm not the kind that just backs down without a fight. Sorry!

We are here to help, everyone wants your critters back with you.
Questions are part of the process.

 

[Lucille]

It's the hate for law enforcement craig! It's cool. I get it all the time. But then when something happens to them, we're the first to be called to go help them

That's silly

 

[Craig Wyatt]

Well all I hope is this guy gets caught. Or I would be happy to just see his animals get returned.

 

[Lucille]

Well all I hope is this guy gets caught. Or I would be happy to just see his animals get returned.

Agreed

If you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt you can bring charges.

In fact, probable cause is enough for a charge, proof enough to persuade BARD for a criminal conviction.

Often officers will go and informally talk to someone, why not provide all your proof, pictures, and so on, and have local officers talk to this guy?

Reason being if I do find the guy, first thing is I'm gonna want to beat him pretty badly, lol. So I'm not sure it's worth going to jail over.

Best to just send the local officers.

 

[Black Adder]

No one is attacking the OP. People are, as usual, asking questions. That's the way of the BOI.

For instance, this one:
If you have proof down, why haven't charges been brought?

To my knowledge even though we now live in a world of vast interstate commerce, the justice system has not yet caught up with that trade.
There is NO simple streamlined way to go after a person in another state no matter what proof you have, for relatively minor offenses, and yes I know the OP got ripped off but in the grand scheme of offenses it is unfortunately very minor.
Lots of talk of taking people to court etc, best you could hope for is a small claims court and even THEN it relies on both parties to show up and agree. Cost to the OP to travel to an out of state court? Usually WAY more than the offense warrants monetary wise, which is part of the reason these scammers do it to begin with and keep getting away with it
Very sad but unfortunately true.

 

[Lucille]

To my knowledge even though we now live in a world of vast interstate commerce, the justice system has not yet caught up with that trade.
There is NO simple streamlined way to go after a person in another state no matter what proof you have, for relatively minor offenses, and yes I know the OP got ripped off but in the grand scheme of offenses it is unfortunately very minor.
Lots of talk of taking people to court etc, best you could hope for is a small claims court and even THEN it relies on both parties to show up and agree. Cost to the OP to travel to an out of state court? Usually WAY more than the offense warrants monetary wise, which is part of the reason these scammers do it to begin with and keep getting away with it
Very sad but unfortunately true.

There is a difference between criminal and civil actions, their prosecution (in criminal matters, the state bears the burden and the cost) and the results.

The OP has not stated what charges he will file but is talking about stealing, jail and so on, see the post, below.
There are a number of steps that are followed in a criminal action, a prosecuting attorney will determine whether a person should be charged with a crime; if a case is charged, criminal charges are issued and then different steps followed depending if the charge is a misdemeanor or felony.
Unlike small claims court for civil cases, one generally does not have to worry about the accused showing up and agreeing.
The prosecuting attorney has a lot of latitude- if it is a kid stealing a pack of gum, probably there won't be a charge.
If the same kid has a history, the decision may be different.
Note again that the burden is on the state to prove a criminal charge, and that for many crimes includes the difficult step of proving intent, and the amount and quality of evidence are pretty important.

Who ever said anything about using physical violence against him? I'm the guy he stole from. I'm a retired police officer, and I would personally process the paper work to land his ass in jail. And second I think the phone # thing is great. Screw him. He wants to be a dirt bag and screw people over, he deserves to be harassed.

What you are saying is true for civil actions, Kevin, but from how the OP talked of stealing, jail, and so on, whether he was going to pursue a civil or criminal remedy, or both, is unclear.

 

[Pasodama]

Before going further, I want to say that I feel for the OP. It is my hope that he regains possession of his stolen animals. Also my hope that the person, who scammed him, meets his deserved karma and that the justice system gets a hold of this scammer.

I don't understand how all of a sudden this thread is starting to go in the direction of attacking the OP. He is mad. Shoot I'm mad and he only attempted to scam me.

Yes, if he is mad, it is justified.
I don't think anyone is attacking the OP (esp. not for being mad) but if there is some skepticism, or other odd feelings toward the OP, I can understand why.
As someone "in the know", and family/friends in LE, the OP is not doing himself, or LE, any favors with his "name dropping type", and boastful, ways.
Nor with the following (just a couple of examples):

I know local law enforcement think of it as BS. But, when you're talking hundreds sometimes thousands of dollars, it kinda means alot.Just that the average local law enforcement officers don't really know much or care much about these types of pets or breeders. If it's not cats and dogs they could care less nor do they even understand.

This is absolutely ludicrous and untrue. Property is property. Reptiles are property the same as are dogs/cats and inanimate objects.
There is a difference between criminal, & civil, however.
Sure, perhaps some officers don't care to do the work it takes, to recover property, etc., but making this comment just makes LE look like a bunch of inept idiots. Professional LE officers will do their job and are not inept, uneducated, idiots.

It's the hate for law enforcement craig! It's cool. I get it all the time. But then when something happens to them, we're the first to be called to go help them

This is simply an idiotic, and juvenile, comment.
Reminds me of when a "race card" is unjustifiably pulled.

The best thing, that the OP can do, is to quit with his boasting, & any ridiculous comments, and simply stick to mostly posting facts of the case, any proof, and anything that is being done (if it does not tip off the criminal/scammer of something coming his way).
Again, I hope the best for the OP ... and, of course, the worse for the criminal.

....

 

[tlmoon]

Does anyone know when something like this is a criminal case, vs a civil case? For example, scammer walks into your house, picks up your snake (or whatever) and walks out. So that would be theft, and criminal.

If you have an agreement to trade snakes and you ship the snake to the scammer, and he just vanishes - is that criminal, or more like fraud or a violating a contract?

To be clear, I completely think the OP was stolen from and that this IS theft. I just wonder what the laws are. Black Adder's post was interesting. It would explain how these scammers seem to keep going when you would think they would be locked up.

I think it's hugely important to go after these thieves with all we can, regardless. I've looked through some older BOI threads where the scammer has turned out to be a real life criminal with even violent crimes. At the very least, the BOI is great for blowing their cover and hopefully denting the scams in this hobby.

OP: I hope things are rolling for you to get some restitution or your animals back. You should get a whole room of leachies for all this jerk has put you through!

 

[Lucille]

Does anyone know when something like this is a criminal case, vs a civil case?

Sometimes a particular wrong can sometimes be treated as both criminal and civil. But many property type cases will be treated as civil because in cases like this many times there is an agreement or contract. A breach of contract is not a crime, it is a civil wrong, with civil remedies.

If you have an agreement

A critical phrase. Was there, in fact, a genuine agreement, and one party then decides to breach? Or was there never a real agreement, and did the other party deceive and lie, with criminal intent, intend from the very beginning to steal the snakes?
Bear in mind that when capable parties make purported agreements, especially written ones, those agreements are given considerable weight. Proving criminal intent and fraud can be difficult.