Info *BEWARE* Jim Stelpflug-Questionable Ethics

[Chris Kennard]

Some have come forward, to say that in their opinion, Jim is a terrific seller and a good guy.
I hope he will step up and make amends on this issue by sending David Reid $400 to help show that all of those good words have substance.

Show us, don't tell us. Let your deeds speak for themselves.

If he makes good on that now, it only proves that the site he has lost so much respect for actually serves a positive purpose.

 

[DavidBeard]

If we took a real statistical look at it, I wonder how many of the people who demean and devalue the BOI are the ones who deserve to be analyzed here the most? I would wager a staggering amount.

For me personally, those who are quick to discredit the BOI and this site in general, raise a red flag with me that typically isn't wrong.

 

[DLenaRuth999s]

I read through this thread again. Please correct me nicely if I am mistaken. Didn't the man who received the YB instead of a Spectre actually get offered, and accept, 3 Spectres from the man who stepped up and admitted he originally made the identification error? Since the man agreed to the recompense, why would anyone think he should, after taking custody of the Spectres, receive anything more?

If I bought a Sauder bookshelf at Walmart that had a shelf with the wrong finish on it, and Walmart didn't have any more, but the store contacted Sauder and Sauder sent me a replacement shelf that was acceptable to me, I would not then expect Walmart to also give me something, even though I bought it from them. The original error occurred in the Sauder factory and Sauder made good on it to my satisfaction. It should be a done deal.

And as a sidebar, the way it was resolved, in my opinion, shows good character on the part of the original Spectre owner. It also illustrates the good working relationship between the original Spectre owner and the man who sold it. That's totally excellent in my opinion.

 

[Lucille]

Darlene, Reid says the trio was worth $400 less than the value of the traded snake.
Unless there was a specific agreement otherwise between Jim and Reid, the original parties, a lower value replacement still leaves the original parties with an unsatisfactory resolution.

A seller cannot relinquish responsibility because an upstream producer/manufacturer made an error.
He remains on the hook absent a specific agreement. Many consumer fraud statutes protect a buyer by saying that the seller must make good, and then the seller can go against the manufacturer/producer, and the innocent consumer does not get run around.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I read through this thread again. Please correct me nicely if I am mistaken. Didn't the man who received the YB instead of a Spectre actually get offered, and accept, 3 Spectres from the man who stepped up and admitted he originally made the identification error? Since the man agreed to the recompense, why would anyone think he should, after taking custody of the Spectres, receive anything more?

If I bought a Sauder bookshelf at Walmart that had a shelf with the wrong finish on it, and Walmart didn't have any more, but the store contacted Sauder and Sauder sent me a replacement shelf that was acceptable to me, I would not then expect Walmart to also give me something, even though I bought it from them. The original error occurred in the Sauder factory and Sauder made good on it to my satisfaction. It should be a done deal.

And as a sidebar, the way it was resolved, in my opinion, shows good character on the part of the original Spectre owner. It also illustrates the good working relationship between the original Spectre owner and the man who sold it. That's totally excellent in my opinion.

I like your post. My problem is that if you replace the name Brock Wagner with the name Manny Frade...nuff said...

 

[DLenaRuth999s]

Thank you, Lucille, I understand more of the situation now.

About a year and a half ago, I made my first post here about a Miami corn that actually was a classic wild type, as was suggested to me by Webslave over on CornSnakes.com. Prior to that, I had no clue this site even existed. I have learned so much about TOS, business practices and ethics, and made some excellent contacts with people who have sold me some wonderful snakes. I've also managed to avoid a couple of scams, a few possibly very bad purchases, and the grave tactical error of the PayPal f&f option.
There are so many wonderful breeders and hobbyists here. I've been given solid advice and guidance by many a moderator as well.
Thank you.

 

[DavidBeard]

The other major problem with the trade situation that I see is that Jim vehemently denies that the Spectre belonged to him, yet has offered no proof of that, only that Wagner produced the snake.

I want to know what kind of sense it makes for Jim to trade for a snake that doesn't belong to him.....if he was the middle man, why did the snake that David Reid sent to him not go to Brock Wagner, if the alleged Spectre indeed belonged to Wagner? None of that adds up.

Reid has confirmed again that Jim mentioned NOTHING about the snake not belonging to him, which tells me that at best he omitted VERY important details about the snake and at worst lied to take advantage of Mr. Reid, then refused to admit to any wrong doing.

I really fail to see how I'm the only one who has come to this conclusion. Its pretty transparent what happened.

 

[tlmoon]

If we took a real statistical look at it, I wonder how many of the people who demean and devalue the BOI are the ones who deserve to be analyzed here the most? I would wager a staggering amount.

For me personally, those who are quick to discredit the BOI and this site in general, raise a red flag with me that typically isn't wrong.

Now I agree 100% on that! Those who complain how the BOI is terribly unfair/has gone to hell in a handbasket/is biased/is a plot against certain people/etc, have invariably not ready many, if any at all, of the threads. This thread alone shows a variety of opinions - surely a forum with only one voice would not allow for different opinions?

 

[Fangthane]

I really fail to see how I'm the only one who has come to this conclusion.

You're definitely not. Jim either left out information that I think many would agree - if they can get past the pedestal effect - should have been made clear to David before the exchange took place, for several reasons; or Jim really did own the snake and simply decided to make David jump through some needless extra hoops when he finally accepted that Brock had shorted him on a previous transaction. Neither scenario seems very flattering to me, but I don't have a need to justify any preconceptions.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I'm curious as to what Reid received. Three male spectres? How long ago? Has he produced anything from that deal?

 

[Jim@SW]

So why would Brock send replacement animals to Mr Reid if the original male wasn't his?

Mr Reid hasn't mentioned the fact that the Mojave did not prove out to be a het axanthic animal either.

Now if someone can explain to me how we have come up with me owing Mr Reid $400 for the last like 8 years that would be great for me. I am still trying to understand why this has occurred. Keeping in mind that in my life time I have produced 60,000 to 70,000 animals. This is the only single incident that has come up? I feel that is a pretty good record.

So how about this. I will glady donate $400 to USARK ???

I donate to their worthy cause a lot. I recently won a 50/50 raffle at Tinley Park. I hand 1/3 of the money back to Phil personally. He has shown he is a stand up guy that gets things done.

Lucille you are one of the most upstanding people here. Would you please check with Mr Reid, and see if sending a donation in his name is acceptable?


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[Chris Kennard]

So why would Brock send replacement animals to Mr Reid if the original male wasn't his?

Mr Reid hasn't mentioned the fact that the Mojave did not prove out to be a het axanthic animal either.

Now if someone can explain to me how we have come up with me owing Mr Reid $400 for the last like 8 years that would be great for me. I am still trying to understand why this has occurred. Keeping in mind that in my life time I have produced 60,000 to 70,000 animals. This is the only single incident that has come up? I feel that is a pretty good record.

So how about this. I will glady donate $400 to USARK ???

I donate to their worthy cause a lot. I recently won a 50/50 raffle at Tinley Park. I hand 1/3 of the money back to Phil personally. He has shown he is a stand up guy that gets things done.

Lucille you are one of the most upstanding people here. Would you please check with Mr Reid, and see if sending a donation in his name is acceptable?


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Wait, what? Mr. Reid's Mojave didn't prove out, but you still want to send someone else 400 bucks to make good on a deal where you feel you've done nothing wrong?

 

[Jim@SW]

Hey in 30 of business I have a clean reputation. I am willing to donate money to Usark or a worthy charity. They will be the only winners in this ridiculous thread, but they need every dime they can get
Do I think it is acceptable no, but what is ones time worth??

The Mojave did not prove out when bred to at least three females.



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[DavidBeard]

You couldn't tell the difference between a Yellowbelly and a Spectre, despite claiming to be a BP expert of 30+ years. How convenient.

Maybe, just maybe Mr Wagner took care of Reid because he didn't want his name being attached to YOUR inability to guarantee genetics or identify proper morphs? If the snake belonged to Mr Wagner, why did you offer YOUR OWN snake in trade to Mr Reid? Why would Wagner let you just trade his snake and get nothing in return?

Lastly, why has Wagner not been able to offer his side and back you up? If you're such a god guy surely getting another good guy to corroborate your story wouldn't be difficult. However it seems like the likelihood of that happening is slim to none as you continually dodge and duck these questions like the plague.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Hey in 30 of business I have a clean reputation. I am willing to donate money to Usark or a worthy charity. They will be the only winners in this ridiculous thread, but they need every dime they can get
Do I think it is acceptable no, but what is ones time worth??

The Mojave did not prove out when bred to at least three females.



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Now there's a thought. From now on, maybe people could just send money to their favorite charities for animals you send them?

 

[Jim@SW]

David he got a Mojave het axanthic in trade.

Ask around about Spectors, gravels, or sparks. Unless these are coming from a super form. It is a gamble. Someone with 20 years experience yourself would understand this.

Considering Mr Wagner, is a full time police officer, a brewery owner, and father of two. He has a life outside the world of reptiles. It is no secret that Mr Wagner and Mr Reid are not friends. Go do a little digging over at bush league and you can find this whole story there I am sure.


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[Chris Kennard]

In your name of course. Win, win situation for everyone!

 

[Jim@SW]

Now there's a thought. From now on, maybe people could just send money to their favorite charities for animals you send them?

Funny thing is we do this for the badger honor flight. We have done it for wounded warrior. My uncle was killed in Vietnam. Myself and sever ice close friends support our troops.


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[David Reid]

OK, so I said one post, but I need to state for the record, EVERY sibling to the Het Mojave that Jim got proved out. EVERY ONE. I have never had a Het not prove out. The FEMALE that produced Jim's Het was a visual Axanthic, that produced ALL Axanthic babies when bred by a male Axanthic many years ago. This either makes Jim a liar, and worse off than I thought, or he bred the male once, got unlucky and never bred him again. I have all the emails....Jim's sour grapes over HIS snake not being what he promised is obvious. Funny and pathetic at the same time!

 

[DavidBeard]

Someone with 20 years experience yourself would understand this.

I'll spell this out slowly for you even though I've stated it several times already in this thread:

I....do....no.....follow......the.....Ball....Python.....Morph.....Market. Nor do I care. Never have and never will.